Michelle and Jackie Similar?

[BDBoop]

Well, some of what is said would be signs of the times. Back then men wandered, women turned a blind eye. Not always, but certainly in society couples.

 

[Zona]

Well, some of what is said would be signs of the times. Back then men wandered, women turned a blind eye. Not always, but certainly in society couples.

Its interesting. It would have been unladylike for her to have said anything to him about his obvious cheating?

Interesting times, but then again, blacks couldnt sit at the front of buses back then. God this damn country. The one I fought for 20 years for. Damn.

 

[Connery]

That picture is so bittersweet. She loved him so much. Did he love her? So much cheating.

I don't get it.

Sometimes the sins of the parent are visited upon the child and they have the same problems, imagined or real, that were present in the parental marriage.

A quick look at Jackie's daddy...and this is a cycle I have seen in similarly situated women...very toxic

"Black Jack's drinking, gambling, and philandering led to his divorce from his wife in 1940. He did not remarry. In 1942, Janet married Hugh Dudley Auchincloss, Jr. Janet reportedly did not want Black Jack to escort Jacqueline down the aisle for her wedding to John F. Kennedy, so Jacqueline was instead escorted by her stepfather Auchincloss. Some reports indicate Bouvier was too intoxicated to escort his daughter, leading Auchincloss to step in to give the bride away"

John Vernou Bouvier III

 

[BDBoop]

I think that's where it comes down to "That's not your marriage." People cheat, couples get past it and stay together. They were only married ten years. Maybe a time would have come when she said "You know what? The joy doesn't outweigh the pain. I'm done."

 

[BDBoop]

Well, some of what is said would be signs of the times. Back then men wandered, women turned a blind eye. Not always, but certainly in society couples.

Its interesting. It would have been unladylike for her to have said anything to him about his obvious cheating?

Interesting times, but then again, blacks couldnt sit at the front of buses either back then. God this damn country. The one I fought for 20 years for. Damn.

Not unladylike. Just - the usual scenario. Wife complains, husband apologizes, promises it will never happen again, buys wife jewelry.

Takes cheating down a notch.

The good ones never got caught, AND made sure not to turn the wife into a laughingstock.

 

[Connery]

I think that's where it comes down to "That's not your marriage." People cheat, couples get past it and stay together. They were only married ten years. Maybe a time would have come when she said "You know what? The joy doesn't outweigh the pain. I'm done."

Perhaps, but she was in politics her whole life and was exposed to all the nasty goings on that happens. There is the draw of the office, of power and privilege many people put up with a cheating spouse in order to maintain their status quo.

 

[BDBoop]

I think that's where it comes down to "That's not your marriage." People cheat, couples get past it and stay together. They were only married ten years. Maybe a time would have come when she said "You know what? The joy doesn't outweigh the pain. I'm done."

Perhaps, but she was in politics her whole life and was exposed to all the nasty goings on that happens. There is the draw of the office, of power and privilege many people put up with a cheating spouse in order to maintain their status quo.

Oh, Mr. Connery. No. I don't believe that. She loved him, in a serious and passionate fashion.

 

[BlackSand]

Compares to what?

The presidency is not about a man but about a couple. I love Jackie for many, quite frankly she is my favorite, but was she the best person to have the privilege of being First Lady. For what she brought at the time perhaps the US needed that. How effective was she in assisting the president, did she enable him or support him. I admire and respect both JFK and Jackie but those are some questions I have.

Compares to First Lady Michelle Obama ... That is what the thread was about.

Now granted things kind of went the way of forums and digressed into a spit slinging battle over who was a racist ... And who thought who else was ugly and whatnot.
It ran the gambit of degenerating to a point that many members initially intent on supporting First Lady Obama ... Decided to drag First Lady Kennedy (even more so her husband) through the mud in attempts to make the comparison.

There are many things that made Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis different than Michelle Obama ... But the one thing I think makes the most difference to me ... Is the way Jackie felt about America and all the people she represented.
She held her head high, tried to keep her optimism forefront in her duty to the President, her children and the country she loved ... And that loved her back.
Perhaps I am just a romantic that hasn't been tainted by the need to pull everyone down in attempts to make others seem better ... Or at least comparable.

"The river of sludge will go on and on. It Isn't about me." ~ Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

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[Connery]

Compares to what?

The presidency is not about a man but about a couple. I love Jackie for many, quite frankly she is my favorite, but was she the best person to have the privilege of being First Lady. For what she brought at the time perhaps the US needed that. How effective was she in assisting the president, did she enable him or support him. I admire and respect both JFK and Jackie but those are some questions I have.

Compares to First Lady Michelle Obama ... That is what the thread was about.



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The above is what the poster stated and I responded. For you to step in on her defense is both demeaning to the poster and takes her statement out of context. If she has nothing of substance to add then so be it.

 

[skye]

I think that's where it comes down to "That's not your marriage." People cheat, couples get past it and stay together. They were only married ten years. Maybe a time would have come when she said "You know what? The joy doesn't outweigh the pain. I'm done."

Perhaps, but she was in politics her whole life and was exposed to all the nasty goings on that happens. There is the draw of the office, of power and privilege many people put up with a cheating spouse in order to maintain their status quo.

Oh, Mr. Connery. No. I don't believe that. She loved him, in a serious and passionate fashion.

of course she loved him....plus who would not love a President like Jack? We are talking early 1960s here....we are talking power and status and attractiveness ..... there is no greater aphrodisiac than that, My God....none ......

 

[Connery]

I think that's where it comes down to "That's not your marriage." People cheat, couples get past it and stay together. They were only married ten years. Maybe a time would have come when she said "You know what? The joy doesn't outweigh the pain. I'm done."

Perhaps, but she was in politics her whole life and was exposed to all the nasty goings on that happens. There is the draw of the office, of power and privilege many people put up with a cheating spouse in order to maintain their status quo.

Oh, Mr. Connery. No. I don't believe that. She loved him, in a serious and passionate fashion.

I never asserted she did not. Indeed, when it come to the affairs of the heart I will never speak for another. What I suggested is that there is more in the world of politics and the Presidency that what an average marriage brings to the spouse. That must be considered in my opinion. Indeed, "Jacqueline Bouvier and then-U.S. Representative John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy belonged to the same social circle and often attended the same functions" . The "lifestyle" was clearly a very attractive aspect of who and what JFK was.


Even Miss skye agrees with my assertion:

of course she loved him....plus who would not love a President like Jack? We are talking early 1960s here....we are talking power and status and attractiveness ..... there is no greater aphrodisiac than that, My God....none ......

 

[BDBoop]

Perhaps, but she was in politics her whole life and was exposed to all the nasty goings on that happens. There is the draw of the office, of power and privilege many people put up with a cheating spouse in order to maintain their status quo.

Oh, Mr. Connery. No. I don't believe that. She loved him, in a serious and passionate fashion.

I never asserted she did not. Indeed, when it come to the affairs of the heart I will never speak for another. What I suggested is that there is more in the world of politics and the Presidency that what an average marriage brings to the spouse. That must be considered in my opinion. Indeed, "Jacqueline Bouvier and then-U.S. Representative John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy belonged to the same social circle and often attended the same functions" . The "lifestyle" was clearly a very attractive aspect of who and what JFK was.


Even Miss skye agrees with my assertion:

of course she loved him....plus who would not love a President like Jack? We are talking early 1960s here....we are talking power and status and attractiveness ..... there is no greater aphrodisiac than that, My God....none ......

Yes. She agreed with both of us.

 

[Connery]

Oh, Mr. Connery. No. I don't believe that. She loved him, in a serious and passionate fashion.

I never asserted she did not. Indeed, when it come to the affairs of the heart I will never speak for another. What I suggested is that there is more in the world of politics and the Presidency that what an average marriage brings to the spouse. That must be considered in my opinion. Indeed, "Jacqueline Bouvier and then-U.S. Representative John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy belonged to the same social circle and often attended the same functions" . The "lifestyle" was clearly a very attractive aspect of who and what JFK was.


Even Miss skye agrees with my assertion:

of course she loved him....plus who would not love a President like Jack? We are talking early 1960s here....we are talking power and status and attractiveness ..... there is no greater aphrodisiac than that, My God....none ......

Yes. She agreed with both of us.

Yes she did....

I love Jackie, she brought a sense of humanness, class and prestige to the position of First Lady by being the woman she was. As a child I wrote the White House several years after the awful event and asked for a picture of the family not just JFK. I got that and it made me feel somehow special and closer to those wonderful people who gave their lives for this country and in doing so gave life to this country.

 

[BDBoop]

Since the advent of this thread, I have been doing much more reading about Jackie. I noticed that I view her completely different than the fairy tale princess I perceived her as when I was a child.

She just about literally went through hell with all the losses. Stillborn child, loss of infant, Loss of husband, loss of brother-in-law, Jack's infidelities, etc. She was incredibly strong and resilient in the face of all that.

It is good that she preceded her son in death. That loss would have been devastating.

 

[skye]

Since the advent of this thread, I have been doing much more reading about Jackie. I noticed that I view her completely different than the fairy tale princess I perceived her as when I was a child.

She just about literally went through hell with all the losses. Stillborn child, loss of infant, Loss of husband, loss of brother-in-law, Jack's infidelities, etc. She was incredibly strong and resilient in the face of all that.

It is good that she preceded her son in death. That loss would have been devastating.

and talking about her son... her genes ...oh...yes ...I think so don't you?

beauty reigns ...it has in the past it will in the future.......in this miserable, silly world.

 

[Sarah G]

Poor Mr. President. Apparently all of his senses are dead, because he appears to have NO IDEA she's as nasty as y'all think.



Michelle Obama: U.S. Ready for Female President - Washington Wire - WSJ

He adores her.

 

[Geaux4it]

Hillary Clinton, MO, types likes these first ladies, are just along for the ride and prestige. They don't give a chit about the sacntomony of marriage, only being in the spotlight. They are takers just like the 51% that put MO's dumbass in office

-Geaux

 

[Sarah G]

That picture is so bittersweet. She loved him so much. Did he love her? So much cheating.

I don't get it.

Jackie was painfully shy or maybe she just wasn't a people person like her husband. I was watching a documentary about his last days. She, at one stop wanted to stay in the hotel room instead of making an appearance at the breakfast.

Her husband asked where she was. He flat out said please ask my wife to come down to breakfast. She came down just because he wanted her to. It was good for her to come out of her shell but the point is, she was motivated to do it, it was all him in her eyes.

Michelle is her own person and knows to work hard, for herself. She knows her husband is her partner. She's willing to change her lifestyle but not just for him. For her too. He talks about her in terms of marrying up. He knows people love him but he likes it that they love his wife and kids too.

Both couples are good and normal people. Adored but they're not perfect. Michelle is much more than she is being portrayed here though.

 

[Sarah G]

I think that's where it comes down to "That's not your marriage." People cheat, couples get past it and stay together. They were only married ten years. Maybe a time would have come when she said "You know what? The joy doesn't outweigh the pain. I'm done."

Perhaps, but she was in politics her whole life and was exposed to all the nasty goings on that happens. There is the draw of the office, of power and privilege many people put up with a cheating spouse in order to maintain their status quo.

There was that element there as well. She did want the lifestyle. She made a comment after he died that Camelot was no more, as if it were a loss to her. Also, I did read a biography many years ago that outlined her relationship with her Dad that you addressed earlier.

She did have a fabulous life, there is no doubt about it. She was beautiful, accomplished and had a vision when she revamped the WH. It was a different time back then though.

 

[Connery]

I think that's where it comes down to "That's not your marriage." People cheat, couples get past it and stay together. They were only married ten years. Maybe a time would have come when she said "You know what? The joy doesn't outweigh the pain. I'm done."

Perhaps, but she was in politics her whole life and was exposed to all the nasty goings on that happens. There is the draw of the office, of power and privilege many people put up with a cheating spouse in order to maintain their status quo.

There was that element there as well. She did want the lifestyle. She made a comment after he died that Camelot was no more, as if it were a loss to her. Also, I did read a biography many years ago that outlined her relationship with her Dad that you addressed earlier.

She did have a fabulous life, there is no doubt about it. She was beautiful, accomplished and had a vision when she revamped the WH. It was a different time back then though.

Yes it was, nevertheless, she brought a vitality and elegance which has survived through today.