Migrant kids outperform local kids

[Correll]

People send messages with their style of dress and choice of tattoos, and body language.

You didn't see those people, you didn't "personally observe" their appearance and behavior,...

And the coward posting admitted that he did not know the people he was afraid of, and thus could not know their circumstances, motivations, or intentions. Have you ever studied logic - even briefly - in your life?

But he could see their appearance and behavior.....

The only behavior he mentioned was standing, and only an illogical buffoon like you would believe that a quick glance while driving quickly away in fear is sufficient to determine circumstances, motivations, or intentions. You are a stupid animal.

Only a complete fool, or someone completely ignorant of the way the mind works would think that people cannot make, often fairly accurate judgments, based on first visual impression.


And considering the way street crime works, such as that incident with the old man being beaten nearly to death by the mob of "children" such information is often the only information we have to make judgements and choices about our personal safety.

You are a pretentious prick.

And you're a sniveling coward.

Being against negative change is not cowardice.

YOu appear completely irrational on this subject.

 

[Unkotare]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

Of course the ignorant big mouth who posted the false conclusions above has never spoken to a single person who 'survived' the trauma of competition and high expectations he fears so much.

 

[Unkotare]

And the coward posting admitted that he did not know the people he was afraid of, and thus could not know their circumstances, motivations, or intentions. Have you ever studied logic - even briefly - in your life?

But he could see their appearance and behavior.....

The only behavior he mentioned was standing, and only an illogical buffoon like you would believe that a quick glance while driving quickly away in fear is sufficient to determine circumstances, motivations, or intentions. You are a stupid animal.

Only a complete fool, or someone completely ignorant of the way the mind works would think that people cannot make, often fairly accurate judgments, based on first visual impression.


And considering the way street crime works, such as that incident with the old man being beaten nearly to death by the mob of "children" such information is often the only information we have to make judgements and choices about our personal safety.

You are a pretentious prick.

And you're a sniveling coward.

Being against negative change is not cowardice.
...
.

Being afraid of hard work and competition IS.

 

[initforme]

Using test scores only to compare is a huge mistake.

 

[Unkotare]

Using test scores only to compare is a huge mistake.

Granted. What other measures are you thinking of?

 

[Markle]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

Actually, the suicide rate in the US, for young adults between 18 and 24 is 12 per 100,000.

Their choice, though.

 

[Markle]

Using test scores only to compare is a huge mistake.

Why? How else?

 

[Unkotare]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

And of course no evidence to support the above conclusions.

Suicide in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



"In South Korea, every student is obligated to take the College Scholastic Ability Test (CSAT). Education in South Korea is extremely competitive, making it difficult to get into an esteemed university. A South Korean student’s school year lasts from March to February. The year divides into two semesters: one from March until July, and another from September to February. The average South Korean high school student also spends roughly 16 hours a day on school and school-related activities. Again, this is because of the competitiveness of acceptance into a good university. Most South Korean test scores are also graded on a curve, leading to more competition. Until 2012, students in South Korea went to school from Monday to Friday, and every odd Saturday. Before 2005, South Korean students went to school every day from Monday to Saturday.

Although South Korean education consistently ranks near the top in international academic assessments such as PISA,[32] the enormous stress and pressure[33] on its students is considered by many to constitute child abuse.[34][35] It has been blamed for high suicide rates in South Korea among those aged 10-19.[36]"

Copying pages from wiki-fucking-pedia in no way mitigates your abiding ignorance. You have never spoken to a single soul who 'survived' the terrible 'torture' you blather on about; happy, well-adjusted kids doing so now, and happy, successful adults who somehow made it through. "Considered by many" and "it has been blamed" in absolutely no way supports the conclusions you want so badly to suggest. Ignorant buffoon.

 

[Correll]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

Of course the ignorant big mouth who posted the false conclusions above has never spoken to a single person who 'survived' the trauma of competition and high expectations he fears so much.

Thank you for your well thought out and serious reply to my linked article from the New York Times.

Which matches up perfectly with my earlier post from a South Korean who lives in South Korea and went to school in South Korea, btw.

 

[Correll]

But he could see their appearance and behavior.....

The only behavior he mentioned was standing, and only an illogical buffoon like you would believe that a quick glance while driving quickly away in fear is sufficient to determine circumstances, motivations, or intentions. You are a stupid animal.

Only a complete fool, or someone completely ignorant of the way the mind works would think that people cannot make, often fairly accurate judgments, based on first visual impression.


And considering the way street crime works, such as that incident with the old man being beaten nearly to death by the mob of "children" such information is often the only information we have to make judgements and choices about our personal safety.

You are a pretentious prick.

And you're a sniveling coward.

Being against negative change is not cowardice.
...
.

Being afraid of hard work and competition IS.

No, it's not.

 

[Correll]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

Actually, the suicide rate in the US, for young adults between 18 and 24 is 12 per 100,000.

Their choice, though.

A 50% increase is a strong indicator.

My point stands. THis is not a cultural aspect that will make America or the UK better.

It will make it shittier.

 

[Correll]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

And of course no evidence to support the above conclusions.

Suicide in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



"In South Korea, every student is obligated to take the College Scholastic Ability Test (CSAT). Education in South Korea is extremely competitive, making it difficult to get into an esteemed university. A South Korean student’s school year lasts from March to February. The year divides into two semesters: one from March until July, and another from September to February. The average South Korean high school student also spends roughly 16 hours a day on school and school-related activities. Again, this is because of the competitiveness of acceptance into a good university. Most South Korean test scores are also graded on a curve, leading to more competition. Until 2012, students in South Korea went to school from Monday to Friday, and every odd Saturday. Before 2005, South Korean students went to school every day from Monday to Saturday.

Although South Korean education consistently ranks near the top in international academic assessments such as PISA,[32] the enormous stress and pressure[33] on its students is considered by many to constitute child abuse.[34][35] It has been blamed for high suicide rates in South Korea among those aged 10-19.[36]"

Copying pages from wiki-fucking-pedia in no way mitigates your abiding ignorance. You have never spoken to a single soul who 'survived' the terrible 'torture' you blather on about; happy, well-adjusted kids doing so now, and happy, successful adults who somehow made it through. "Considered by many" and "it has been blamed" in absolutely no way supports the conclusions you want so badly to suggest. Ignorant buffoon.

Do you deny the 16 hours a day school/school related activities number?

 

[Unkotare]

The only behavior he mentioned was standing, and only an illogical buffoon like you would believe that a quick glance while driving quickly away in fear is sufficient to determine circumstances, motivations, or intentions. You are a stupid animal.

Only a complete fool, or someone completely ignorant of the way the mind works would think that people cannot make, often fairly accurate judgments, based on first visual impression.


And considering the way street crime works, such as that incident with the old man being beaten nearly to death by the mob of "children" such information is often the only information we have to make judgements and choices about our personal safety.

You are a pretentious prick.

And you're a sniveling coward.

Being against negative change is not cowardice.
...
.

Being afraid of hard work and competition IS.

No, it's not.

It sure as hell is, coward.

 

[Unkotare]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

Of course the ignorant big mouth who posted the false conclusions above has never spoken to a single person who 'survived' the trauma of competition and high expectations he fears so much.

Thank you for your well thought out and serious reply to my linked article from the New York Times.

Which matches up perfectly with my earlier post from a South Korean who lives in South Korea and went to school in South Korea, btw.

Have you ever been to Korea? Ever had a discussion with a Korean person about this topic? Do you EVER have a fucking clue before shooting your mouth off?

 

[Unkotare]

"Children" who would beat an older man nearly to death because he told them to get off his car, imo, can reasonable be called animals........

Neither he nor you know (of course) that the people he drove past in fear would do such a thing. Why are you so hostile toward logic?

People send messages with their style of dress and choice of tattoos, and body language.

You didn't see those people, you didn't "personally observe" their appearance and behavior,...

And the coward posting admitted that he did not know the people he was afraid of, and thus could not know their circumstances, motivations, or intentions. Have you ever studied logic - even briefly - in your life?

But he could see their appearance and behavior.....

The only behavior he mentioned was standing, and only an illogical buffoon like you would believe that a quick glance while driving quickly away in fear is sufficient to determine circumstances, motivations, or intentions. You are a stupid animal.

Too bad so many are too afraid to get out of their literal and metaphorical cars and get to know people. Sometimes it's the only cure for fear and ignorance.

 

[Correll]

Only a complete fool, or someone completely ignorant of the way the mind works would think that people cannot make, often fairly accurate judgments, based on first visual impression.


And considering the way street crime works, such as that incident with the old man being beaten nearly to death by the mob of "children" such information is often the only information we have to make judgements and choices about our personal safety.

You are a pretentious prick.

And you're a sniveling coward.

Being against negative change is not cowardice.
...
.

Being afraid of hard work and competition IS.

No, it's not.

It sure as hell is, coward.

Blah, blah, blah.

 

[Correll]

Wanting Americans today to be able to have a traditional American childhood and not have to start competing for university admissions in preschool is not being lazy.

I do not believe there is a real benefit from that level of competition.

IMO, it is unhealthy.

I believe that, at MOST, you might be able to squeeze out a few points in testing.

Which could make the difference in college admissions.

But not in the real world.

I do not want America to change to be more like high pressure East Asian countries, with their shitty childhoods and high rates of suicide.

Which East Asian countries are you addressing? Also, a source and link addressing their sh**** childhoods and high rates of suicide.

My understanding is that it is a widespread problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/asias-college-exam-mania.html?_r=0


"The university entrance examination system across East Asia might once have been needed to allocate scarce university slots. But even with expanded college enrollment, and more slots, the competition to get into higher-ranked universities is destroying the lives of young people and their families in countries like South Korea and Japan.

On Nov. 7, 600,000 South Korean high school seniors will take the brutal university entrance exam, which many have been preparing for since primary school. The results will shape the rest of their lives, their jobs and even their marriages. The stress is such that the suicide rate among young people up to age 24 rose to 9.4 per 100,000 in 2010, a nearly 50 percent increase from 2000."



"Excessive spending on education in South Korea accounts in significant part for the 45 percent poverty rate among the elderly, who cannot save for retirement because they have spent so much of their money on educating their children. And because of the economic squeeze, many South Korean families simply cannot afford more children; the birth rate is now only about 1.2 births per woman. Spending on education is also very high in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. In China, 9 of 10 middle-class children attend cram schools."

Of course the ignorant big mouth who posted the false conclusions above has never spoken to a single person who 'survived' the trauma of competition and high expectations he fears so much.

Thank you for your well thought out and serious reply to my linked article from the New York Times.

Which matches up perfectly with my earlier post from a South Korean who lives in South Korea and went to school in South Korea, btw.

Have you ever been to Korea? Ever had a discussion with a Korean person about this topic? Do you EVER have a fucking clue before shooting your mouth off?

In my post that you hit the reply button to, I referenced a conversation I had with a South Korean who has lived in SOuth Korea and who went to school in SOuth Korean on this subject.

That I have already brought to your attention in this thread.

Hard work is not an end in of itself.

Working harder than is needed is a waste of energy, resources and time.

There is no reason for US to purposefully make succeeding in school, or getting into good schools harder for American students.

 

[Unkotare]

This is an over generalization, but... Illegal alien offspring take it for granted they get away with whatever, Legal immigrant kids are trying to live up to a higher standard. That is one of the differences between "immigrants" and illegal aliens. This is not a scientifically proven fact. Just my opinion.

I've read recently an interesting study on higher class whites dealing with increasing competition from higher class, especially Asian immigrants with an extremely competitive and education driven culture.

And I saw no benefit for America or Americans in the developments mentioned.

I don't WANT Americans to have to torture their children the way the freaking Japanese do in order for them to have a shot at getting into a top college.

That is not making this nation or the world a better place.

It's making it crappier.

Lazy losers like you are not what America is about.

.

 

[Correll]

Neither he nor you know (of course) that the people he drove past in fear would do such a thing. Why are you so hostile toward logic?

People send messages with their style of dress and choice of tattoos, and body language.

You didn't see those people, you didn't "personally observe" their appearance and behavior,...

And the coward posting admitted that he did not know the people he was afraid of, and thus could not know their circumstances, motivations, or intentions. Have you ever studied logic - even briefly - in your life?

But he could see their appearance and behavior.....

The only behavior he mentioned was standing, and only an illogical buffoon like you would believe that a quick glance while driving quickly away in fear is sufficient to determine circumstances, motivations, or intentions. You are a stupid animal.

Too bad so many are too afraid to get out of their literal and metaphorical cars and get to know people. Sometimes it's the only cure for fear and ignorance.

Fear is the rational response to danger.

Ignoring warning signs such a style of dress and body language is not bravery, it is foolishness.

How much experience do YOU have with urban blacks?

 

[Correll]

This is an over generalization, but... Illegal alien offspring take it for granted they get away with whatever, Legal immigrant kids are trying to live up to a higher standard. That is one of the differences between "immigrants" and illegal aliens. This is not a scientifically proven fact. Just my opinion.

I've read recently an interesting study on higher class whites dealing with increasing competition from higher class, especially Asian immigrants with an extremely competitive and education driven culture.

And I saw no benefit for America or Americans in the developments mentioned.

I don't WANT Americans to have to torture their children the way the freaking Japanese do in order for them to have a shot at getting into a top college.

That is not making this nation or the world a better place.

It's making it crappier.

Lazy losers like you are not what America is about.

.

Nothing in your post really addressed anything I said.

An insult is not a valid debating point. Or a challenge to an explanation.