Migrant kids outperform local kids

[PoliticalChic]

This kind of flaccid fear of competition and hard work is un-American.

Not wanting 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week is hardly fear of hard work.

Yes, it is. It's a disturbing sign of the pussification of society when some slack-ass loser feels justified in defending weakness, cowardice, and sloth rather than being properly shamed by it.

Under 60 or 70 hours a week is hardly the definition of sloth.

That you can seriously claim otherwise is a sign of rigid dogma, not serious thought

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.


"Not wanting 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week..."

How is it your business if an entrepreneur decides to sign on for that.
Whose business is it?


You recognize the 13th amendment, don't you?
The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. In Congress, it was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, and by the House on January 31, 1865.
Google

'Voluntary' is not covered.

 

[Correll]

Not wanting 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week is hardly fear of hard work.

Yes, it is. It's a disturbing sign of the pussification of society when some slack-ass loser feels justified in defending weakness, cowardice, and sloth rather than being properly shamed by it.

Under 60 or 70 hours a week is hardly the definition of sloth.

That you can seriously claim otherwise is a sign of rigid dogma, not serious thought

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This kind of flaccid fear of competition and hard work is un-American.

Not wanting 10 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week is hardly fear of hard work.

Yes, it is. It's a disturbing sign of the pussification of society when some slack-ass loser feels justified in defending weakness, cowardice, and sloth rather than being properly shamed by it.

Under 60 or 70 hours a week is hardly the definition of sloth.

That you can seriously claim otherwise is a sign of rigid dogma, not serious thought.

This is what it's come to. Fragile little snowflakes sticking their little noses in the air and whining about how hard work and competition are just so scary and unfair!

Guess what, snowflake? Hard work and competition are what real Americans are all about, and what made this the greatest and strongest country on earth. Americans roll up their sleeves and get to work. Your ilk roll up your sleeves and beg for some Obama-Esque governmentdaddy to put a line in so you can lay back in helpless dependency.

Nothing you said dealt with the reality that under 60 or 70 hours a week is not "sloth".

Who is forced to do 60-70 hours a week?

Who?


If anything made it necessary it is Obamunism.

"Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...-during-recovery-during-recession_750068.html


"More Businesses Shutting Down than Starting Up
'Business deaths now exceed business births for the first time' in decades.
The American economy is less entrepreneurial now than at any point in the last three decades. That's the conclusion of a new study out from the Brookings Institution, which looks at the rates of new business creation and destruction since 1978.
Not only that, but during the most recent three years of the study -- 2009, 2010 and 2011 -- businesses were collapsing faster than they were being formed, a first. Overall, new businesses creation (measured as the share of all businesses less than one year old) declined by about half from 1978 to 2011." http://www.weeklystandard

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, it is. It's a disturbing sign of the pussification of society when some slack-ass loser feels justified in defending weakness, cowardice, and sloth rather than being properly shamed by it.

Under 60 or 70 hours a week is hardly the definition of sloth.

That you can seriously claim otherwise is a sign of rigid dogma, not serious thought

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

3. -- her salary paid for household expenses, while his paid for art -- they focused on the cutting edge of the art world, where prices were lower and investments had more room to appreciate.



4. Their rules were simple: They had to love what they bought, be able to easily afford it, and it had to fit into their tiny, one-bedroom apartment.

5. Their cutting-edge strategy and careful choices eventually bore fruit. The Vogels amassed one of the most significant modern art collections in the U.S., a treasure trove of almost 5,000 sculptures, paintings, and prints that they later donated to 51 museums across the country, including the National Gallery of Art.

6. ...while the Vogels' "artistic eye" may have been lightning in a bottle, their choices reflect sound, classic investing principles that are relevant whether you're buying sculptures or shares of stock."
What a Pair of Unlikely Art Collectors Can Teach You About Investing - DailyFinance




7. "...the National Gallery acquired much of their collection in 1991. By then, its value was estimated to be well into the millions.

“We could have easily become millionaires,” Mr. Vogel told the Associated Press in 1992. “We could have sold things and lived in Nice and still had some left over. But we weren’t concerned about that aspect.”
Herbert Vogel, unlikely art collector and benefactor of National Gallery, dies at 89 - The Washington Post



8. "Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
Calvin Coolidge

 

[Correll]

Under 60 or 70 hours a week is hardly the definition of sloth.

That you can seriously claim otherwise is a sign of rigid dogma, not serious thought

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, it is. It's a disturbing sign of the pussification of society when some slack-ass loser feels justified in defending weakness, cowardice, and sloth rather than being properly shamed by it.

Under 60 or 70 hours a week is hardly the definition of sloth.

That you can seriously claim otherwise is a sign of rigid dogma, not serious thought

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Pussy-nomics.

 

[Unkotare]

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

No, that's not the reason.

 

[Correll]

Under 60 or 70 hours a week is hardly the definition of sloth.

That you can seriously claim otherwise is a sign of rigid dogma, not serious thought

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Pussy-nomics.

Thanks for the insight.

 

[Correll]

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

No, that's not the reason.

What is the reason then?

 

[Unkotare]

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

No, that's not the reason.

What is the reason then?

Apparently, your friend went into a field that doesn't pay enough to meet his desires (not needs) and/or doesn't have the talent to go into another field that pays more.

 

[Correll]

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

No, that's not the reason.

What is the reason then?

Apparently, your friend went into a field that doesn't pay enough to meet his desires (not needs) and/or doesn't have the talent to go into another field that pays more.

In feel good rah rah story Politic Chick posted it was considered a middle class job.

BUt that was decades ago.


An oversupply of labor and weak demand has driven down the wages of many fields.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Whose decision is it as to how many hours one works???

This isn't France, where a maximum number of hours is mandated.

Get rid of the idea that government should mandate and regulate everyone's life.

1. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
2. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. http://www.cbsalary.com/calculators/
   1. Comparing Federal and Private Sector Compensation http://www.aei.org/papers/economics...ring-federal-and-private-sector-compensation/
   2. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
   3. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. http://www.cbsalary.com/national-sa...Business+Development&jn=jn037&edu=&tid=105988

3 .So…income and happiness? Data taken over several decades indicates that people have gotten a lot richer….but not a lot happier. In 1972, about 30% of Americans reported that they were ‘very happy.’ The average American earned about $25,000 (2004 dollars), and by 2004 the average income had increased to $38,000- a 50% increase in real income. All income groups, from rich to poor, saw substantial income increases. Yet the percentage of very happy Americans remained virtually the same, at 31%.
http://dataarchives.ss.ucla.edu/da_catalog/da_catalog_titleRecord.php?studynumber=M195V1

a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than controls and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/690806




5. So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others. Term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.


Stop imagining you know what's best for everyone.

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

How about they move to a smaller home....less expensive community.....buy used cars.....shop at GoodWill....clip coupons......and look at their blessings instead of whining.

 

[Unkotare]

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

No, that's not the reason.

What is the reason then?

Apparently, your friend went into a field that doesn't pay enough to meet his desires (not needs) and/or doesn't have the talent to go into another field that pays more.

In feel good rah rah story Politic Chick posted it was considered a middle class job.

BUt that was decades ago.


An oversupply of labor and weak demand has driven down the wages of many fields.

Is there an extra category for "was" on your paycheck? How about "whine"?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

No, that's not the reason.

What is the reason then?

Apparently, your friend went into a field that doesn't pay enough to meet his desires (not needs) and/or doesn't have the talent to go into another field that pays more.

In feel good rah rah story Politic Chick posted it was considered a middle class job.

BUt that was decades ago.


An oversupply of labor and weak demand has driven down the wages of many fields.

They live in New York City!!!!
Not a cheap place to reside!!!

They simply made the right choices to be what they saw as success.
It's all about choices, not waiting for someone else to do something for you.



How about a job at Wal-Mart????

"Wal-Mart matches employee stock purchases by 15% on the first $1,800 worth of shares bought each year. If you work at the company and write a check to buy $1,800 worth of the stock, the company is going to give you another $270 to buy shares completely free. That results in an automatic 15% return before you’ve collected your first dividend. On top of that, the company matches 100% on the first 6% of salary contributed to a 401(k) plan.


.....they’d retire with nearly $4.9 million in their investment account at average long-term rates of return. If inflation runs the same rate it did during the past century, that would be around $1.7 million in today’s dollars, which would generate $5,700 per month pre-tax without every touching the principal."
http://www.joshuakennon.com/retirem...lmart-could-retire-and-live-very-comfortably/

 

[Unkotare]

I said nothing about mandating anything.

I said I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job.

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

How about they move to a smaller home....less expensive community.....buy used cars.....shop at GoodWill....clip coupons......and look at their blessings instead of whining.

Thank you for an AMERICAN perspective!

 

[PoliticalChic]

" I want policy so a father CAN provide for his family on one full time job."

That's the situation right now.

It all depends on decisions one makes as to what standard of life is required.

....

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

How about they move to a smaller home....less expensive community.....buy used cars.....shop at GoodWill....clip coupons......and look at their blessings instead of whining.

Thank you for an AMERICAN perspective!

One of those ironies ....foreigner being more American than some native sons.

 

[Unkotare]

No, it is not.

When the macro-economics are shitty enough, the effects even of good decisions can be buried under the effects of the larger bad macro-economic factors.

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

How about they move to a smaller home....less expensive community.....buy used cars.....shop at GoodWill....clip coupons......and look at their blessings instead of whining.

Thank you for an AMERICAN perspective!

One of those ironies ....foreigner being more American than some native sons.

Not at all uncommon. Some of the most AMERICAN people I know are immigrants.

 

[Unkotare]

Absurd.
One works as hard as necessary to get to where one wants to be.


Government taxes and regulations are the problem....if there is one.
Life decisions are the answer.



1. "Art collecting often seems like a rich man's game, open only to the rarefied few who can plunk down millions of dollars without breaking a sweat. But the recent death of Herbert Vogel, one of America's most famous art collectors, points to another art world, one in which a pair of middle-class workers, following their passion and their pocketbook, can build a world-class collection.


2. A high school dropout, Herb worked as a postal clerk, while Dorothy worked in the Brooklyn Public Library.

...e

I have a buddy who works in a public library. It isn't really a middle class job anymore.

He has always wanted to be a writer. Years of work paid off and he has developed a second career.


It's not enough for him to quit his job. And his wife still has to work.

They certainly don't have money let over to invest.

They have been arguing about whether they can afford to have kids.

They spent years trying to get to "where they want to be" with at best mixed results. Because the environment they are working in SUCKS.

How about they move to a smaller home....less expensive community.....buy used cars.....shop at GoodWill....clip coupons......and look at their blessings instead of whining.

Thank you for an AMERICAN perspective!

One of those ironies ....foreigner being more American than some native sons.

Not at all uncommon. Some of the most AMERICAN people I know are immigrants.

.

 

[Unkotare]

Migrant students ‘more motivated to learn’ - BBC News

I guess they appreciate education more when they have to struggle to get it.

The graduation rate is pathetic among mexican"immigrants" in the U.S.
Some of the dumbest MFer's on the planet.

Thats not really the case is it ? Graduation rates are improving all the time.

So they say...
Immigration Reform 2015: More Hispanics In US Schools, But They're Struggling To Keep Up

Which suggests that there is more work to be done and not that they are inherently of lower intelligence.

You can pretty much gage the intelligence of people based on their homeland and the level of sophistication they've reached,whether it be social or scientific.
Obviously there are exceptions but it's a good starting point.

Hmmmm....but in the 1800s America was much less sophisticated socially and scientifically, and yet we often see threads posted along the lines of "You couldn't pass an elementary school test from the 1800s!" According to your theory, shouldn't we be more intelligent today?

 

[Yarddog]

Migrant students ‘more motivated to learn’ - BBC News

I guess they appreciate education more when they have to struggle to get it.

Whats the point of this thread? are you alluding to something? And whats wrong with Immigrants? nothing, most people dont have a problem with legal immigrants, but lets please not confuse them with illegal immigrants who are unknown, and not checked for illnesses when coming from tropical zones.