More Birth Control = Fewer Abortions

Promiscuity?

Preventing unwanted pregnancy among both married and unmarried persons, treating such medical conditions such ovarian cysts, preventing pregnancies when medical conditions make pregnancy unsafe. Ask the AMA and the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology. It's not up to the government to comment on "promiscuity," and the implication that husbands and wives are being promiscuous when they have relations is totally ridiculous.
It is important to note here that males do not get pregnant. so it is women who have to deal with problems relating to our ability to get pregnant. It is disingenuous to ignore this obvious fact.

No facts are being ignored and we are not talking about government commenting on promiscuity.

We are talking about private businesses not wanting to pay for insurance plans for their employees that cover birth control.
Don't you believe a private company has the right to purchase the products they want and not to be forced by the government to purchase products they don't want.
Thank you for continuing to turn this thread. I'd prefer an answer to my question.

Which question was that? I believe I have addressed all your issues.
To me, it just seems sensible that people who oppose abortion would want to do everything possible to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies to begin with.
Where is the error in my thinking there?

I support people using birth control. I reject that I should have to pay for it.
 
Let Planned Parenthood start handing it out, make use of that taxpayer money they receive

Not every community has a Planned Parenthood Office nor do they have Public Health offices.

Then fix that problem FIRST!

My state has county health departments in every county and multiple ones in the larger metro areas. If a poor backward hick state like mine can do it, so can everyone, except maybe Alaska. There it is too cold for sex anyway! There they can walk 5 miles through the snow, uphill both ways, to the drug store......with a boner!
 
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This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.


Bullshit. Birth control is available in any drug store for low cost. People just need to take control of their own sex lives and stop asking government to do it for them.
Fang, how do you feel about abortion? Should it be legal?

No late term abortions. Yes for abortion is rape or health of the mother in jeopardy. Before 20 weeks I'm torn. To date I've been pro-choice in the first 20 weeks. I understand both sides. I'll buy the murder argument, and I understand mistakes happen. But I'm a firm believer if you make that mistake then YOU pay for it. Don't ask tax payers to flip the bill.
The article in the OP shows that people ARE taking control of their own sex lives when birth control is readily available and free, and teenagers are receiving solid education around it. It has reduced by half the number of teen pregnancies in our country, which is good for everyone. So why would you want to mess with that by telling employers they don't have to provide birth control? It was working. We should continue it, if we want to continue to see positive results.


There is that word again! If I am not getting any pleasure from your sex life, I shouldn't be paying for you to have a good time!
 
This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.



No government official is preventing anyone from getting birth control.
All that is happening is the removal of mandates forcing people to do things against their will.
I thought you were against rape.

If there's no funding or mandates many women will not have access to birth control. Insurance covers viagra no questions asked. Why can't birth control be treated the same?

State and local governments should tax accordingly so they can fund these projects and not expect the Federal Government to do their job.

I have no issue with having free programs but prefer it to be on the Local and State level instead...
What is wrong with it being through insurance, Bruce? What if some states don't want to fund birth control?


Somebody is paying for it!

If the state doesn't want to pay for it, that just is added incentive for the deadbeats to move to California or some other liberal bastion.
 
This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.



No government official is preventing anyone from getting birth control.
All that is happening is the removal of mandates forcing people to do things against their will.
I thought you were against rape.

If there's no funding or mandates many women will not have access to birth control. Insurance covers viagra no questions asked. Why can't birth control be treated the same?

State and local governments should tax accordingly so they can fund these projects and not expect the Federal Government to do their job.

I have no issue with having free programs but prefer it to be on the Local and State level instead...

But if a state decides not to fund it, then what?

Get together with all of your liberal friends and start a free sex telethon! Take the money raised and fund it, but don't expect everyone to have to fork over money for Horny Hank and Hot Pants Patty to explore each others nether regions!
 
Condoms don't treat any diseases.

They prevent quite a few ...

Especially infestation ...

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But the republicans want women to be in the kitchen and this is part of their plan to force them back into the kitchen.

My kitchen is a woman free zone. Never met a woman in my life that could cook as well as I.

(Sorry mom, but you know it's true)
 
This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.



Whose been trying to limit birth control?? Haven’t heard anyone trying to do this.

If you’re talking about people not on board with throwing birth control around for “free” that’s a different subject entirely. But if it means we can ban abortion if birth control is free, I’m down for that.
 
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I'm ambivalent on this topic. On one hand, I am against the government "forcing" private companies that have a legitimate and sincere belief about birth control, such as in the case of the "Little Sisters Of The Poor" and other such religious organizations, to purchase insurance for it. However, I see the logic behind it.

My own experience has shown me that BC is relatively inexpensive and readily available for reduced cost or for free through women's groups and clinics.
 
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The right-wing has never explained why it is against birth control, while being willing to fund ED treatments without any information as to whether the men in question are trying to have children, in which case their problems should be discussed in the context of an infertility problem. Otherwise, ED is only a barrier to recreational sex, which the right-wing apparently hates regardless of whether or not the participants are married to each other (we don't know why, it's their trip).

The legitimate interest of any level of civil government only extends to the efforts toward eliminating unwanted pregnancies and the spread of STDs. Birth control does a lot to limit unwanted pregnancies (a particular problem for that LARGE group of female Americans), but does not do much for eliminating the spread of STDs, except for condoms, which break and which the male portion of the population seems to dislike. Legitimate government interest does not extend in any way to eliminating "promiscuity," which is some idea of some religious groups for their own, largely unknown, purposes. These bizarre groups are the ones behind the anti-birth-control frenzy, yet no one dares question why they are that way.

Every person should receive a thorough education as to how sex and sexuality operate in a person's life and also have access to methods of birth control and limiting the spread of STDs, as they do in other countries. In the U.S., this anti-sex, so-called "religious" culture has too much of a grip on the American people. Government should not endorse these unexplained musings at our expense.
 
This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.


Not when the far left wants abortion as a form of birth control..

Condoms are free, even handed in schools, need to learn no glove, no love.
 
Not when the far left wants abortion as a form of birth control..

I don't know who the "far left" even is, except as a mythological construct in some weird people's minds, but no one "wants abortion as a form of birth control." Why would any person choose going through a surgical procedure instead of not having the situation causing it not arise in the first place. This defies logic. As a middle-of-the-road person, I look at the situation logically. Conventional methods of birth control do fail and then abortion needs to be an option. I don't know why this is a problem for the gun-toting, war-mongering, "god fearing" (laugh) portion of the population. The anti-abortion movement is motivated by evil political purposes; specifically an attack on women's free exercise of sexual agency by supposedly heterosexual men who hate the women they have sex with.
 
Let Planned Parenthood start handing it out, make use of that taxpayer money they receive

Not every community has a Planned Parenthood Office nor do they have Public Health offices.

Then fix that problem FIRST!

My state has county health departments in every county and multiple ones in the larger metro areas. If a poor backward hick state like mine can do it, so can everyone, except maybe Alaska. There it is too cold for sex anyway! There they can walk 5 miles through the snow, uphill both ways, to the drug store......with a boner!

The easiest and cheapest way to "fix" this is to require all health insurance policies to cover birth control, which is what the ACA did. Otherwise you have to open a public health office in every village and hamlet in the US.

You have to be a total idiot not to realize that what the Republican Party is trying to do is to prevent women from having sex by restricting access to birth control. It won't work. The abortion rate will go up, of the number of poor women having babies they can't afford will go up, because abstinence has never worked.
 
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This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.



No government official is preventing anyone from getting birth control.
All that is happening is the removal of mandates forcing people to do things against their will.
I thought you were against rape.

If there's no funding or mandates many women will not have access to birth control. Insurance covers viagra no questions asked. Why can't birth control be treated the same?

State and local governments should tax accordingly so they can fund these projects and not expect the Federal Government to do their job.

I have no issue with having free programs but prefer it to be on the Local and State level instead...

But if a state decides not to fund it, then what?

Get together with all of your liberal friends and start a free sex telethon! Take the money raised and fund it, but don't expect everyone to have to fork over money for Horny Hank and Hot Pants Patty to explore each others nether regions!
This is an informative article on what really happens when people try to legislate sexual morality and insist others live according to THEIR religious beliefs. Sadly, this is not going to have the effect the moral warriors are hoping for. Limiting birth control options by making them more costly or harder to access is going to lead to more abortions or more poor outcomes for both the mothers and children. Abstinence based initiatives have been studied and shown to have no measurable impact on abortion rates. Birth control use did. In a big way. Don't like abortion? Make birth control MORE available, not less.

So why is the current Administration trying to make birth control harder to come by?

Trump jeopardizes progress in reducing teen pregnancy and abortion rates


Teen birth rates have been cut in half over the last decade, which is beneficial not only to young women but to Americans as a whole. The decline is attributed to public health outreach and better use of contraception.

President Donald Trump has put that access to contraception in jeopardy with his rollback of a rule that required employers, with some narrow exceptions, to include contraception, at no cost, in their health insurance plans....

The Trump administration has already quietly cut more than $200 million for ongoing research into the most effective ways to prevent unwanted teen pregnancies, a decision most likely driven by ideology rather than science.

Three-quarters of U.S. teen pregnancies are unplanned and nearly a third end in abortion, which is much higher than the overall abortion rate of 14.6 percent. That’s the lowest rate since 1973, the year of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision.

Teen pregnancy has multi-generational consequences. Only half of teen mothers receive a high school diploma by age 22, compared with 90 percent of women who do not give birth as teens.

The children of teenage mothers also are more likely to drop out of high school. In addition, they are more likely to have more health problems, be incarcerated at some time during adolescence, give birth as teenagers, and face unemployment as young adults.


Whose been trying to limit birth control?? Haven’t heard anyone trying to do this.

If you’re talking about people not on board with throwing birth control around for “free” that’s a different subject entirely. But if it means we can ban abortion if birth control is free, I’m down for that.

You haven't been paying attention. Republicans have been very vocal in saying that access to birth control isn't "good for women". That it encourages "immoral behaviour". It's really none of their business but Republicans are all about "freedom" except when it comes to women and sex. Then we have to be controlled as much as possible.
 
Let Planned Parenthood start handing it out, make use of that taxpayer money they receive

Not every community has a Planned Parenthood Office nor do they have Public Health offices.

Then fix that problem FIRST!

My state has county health departments in every county and multiple ones in the larger metro areas. If a poor backward hick state like mine can do it, so can everyone, except maybe Alaska. There it is too cold for sex anyway! There they can walk 5 miles through the snow, uphill both ways, to the drug store......with a boner!

The easiest and cheapest way to "fix" this is to require all health insurance policies to cover birth control, which is what the ACA did. Otherwise you have to open a public health office in every village and hamlet in the US.

You have to be a total idiot not to realize that what the Republican Party is trying to do is to prevent women from having sex by restricting access to birth control. It won't work. The abortion rate will go up, of the number of poor women having babies they can't afford will go up, because abstinence has never worked.

This anti-sex thing seems to be an anti-woman thing, aggression and disrespect against women by men who are mentally sick. There are some extremely evil heterosexual men in our country who want to re-establish the double standard between the sexes as to taking part in sexual activity, such that any male participation is okay, but any female participation is horrible. It's a control thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with any "god" or any notion of "morality," whatever that is. Isn't it weird that guys who pride themselves on being heterosexual (and hate LGBTs) simultaneously hate their intimate partners? I wonder why women stay with partners who hold these views. The only explanation that I can offer is that these women were raised in fundie-cult indoctrination, like the training in sexual exploitation offered by such persons as Bill Gothard and the rest of the male "purity" cult, to accept being subjugated and disrespected, and to accept sexual invasion by men who despise them after a sham "marriage."
 
Fundamentalists in all religions seek to control women's sexuality. Female genital mutilation in Africa is the removal of a woman's clitoris in the belief that if women can't derive pleasure from sex, they won't be unfaithful.

What the Christian fundamentalists have wrought by insisting their daughters make "chastity pledges" is damaging on a number of levels and is a fine example of "unintended consequences".

1. It teaches young women that the only thing of value that they will bring to their marriage is their "virginity". Their only value as a human being is between their legs. If they're not a virgin, they won't be able to get a good husband.

That's not something we should be teaching our daughters. That their sexuality is the only thing of value they have to offer their husbands. That their intelligence, their talents and their abilities have no value if they have been "defiled".

2. This is the unintended consequences part. Since vaginal sex is prohibited until marriage, these sweet young things are now engaging in sex acts that as a teenager I had no idea even existed. Admittedly I was pretty naive as a teenager but these girls are giving blow jobs and engaging in anal intercourse routinely in order to keep that precious hymen intact until the wedding night just like they promised.

The unintended consequences would by hysterically funny if they weren't so sad.
 
You haven't been paying attention. Republicans have been very vocal in saying that access to birth control isn't "good for women". That it encourages "immoral behaviour". It's really none of their business but Republicans are all about "freedom" except when it comes to women and sex. Then we have to be controlled as much as possible.

Exactly! It is not the proper role of any politician to decide what's "good for women" or to comment on "immoral behavior," or what's "good for men" or what's "moral behavior," for that matter. Ironically, these are the same jackasses who complain about "big government." If this isn't "big government," I don't know what is. No one should drag their theologies into politics and policy. It's un-American fro the git-go.
 
Fundamentalists in all religions seek to control women's sexuality. Female genital mutilation in Africa is the removal of a woman's clitoris in the belief that if women can't derive pleasure from sex, they won't be unfaithful.

What the Christian fundamentalists have wrought by insisting their daughters make "chastity pledges" is damaging on a number of levels and is a fine example of "unintended consequences".

1. It teaches young women that the only thing of value that they will bring to their marriage is their "virginity". Their only value as a human being is between their legs. If they're not a virgin, they won't be able to get a good husband.

That's not something we should be teaching our daughters. That their sexuality is the only thing of value they have to offer their husbands. That their intelligence, their talents and their abilities have no value if they have been "defiled".

2. This is the unintended consequences part. Since vaginal sex is prohibited until marriage, these sweet young things are now engaging in sex acts that as a teenager I had no idea even existed. Admittedly I was pretty naive as a teenager but these girls are giving blow jobs and engaging in anal intercourse routinely in order to keep that precious hymen intact until the wedding night just like they promised.

The unintended consequences would by hysterically funny if they weren't so sad.

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Let Planned Parenthood start handing it out, make use of that taxpayer money they receive

Not every community has a Planned Parenthood Office nor do they have Public Health offices.

Then fix that problem FIRST!

My state has county health departments in every county and multiple ones in the larger metro areas. If a poor backward hick state like mine can do it, so can everyone, except maybe Alaska. There it is too cold for sex anyway! There they can walk 5 miles through the snow, uphill both ways, to the drug store......with a boner!

The easiest and cheapest way to "fix" this is to require all health insurance policies to cover birth control, which is what the ACA did. Otherwise you have to open a public health office in every village and hamlet in the US.

You have to be a total idiot not to realize that what the Republican Party is trying to do is to prevent women from having sex by restricting access to birth control. It won't work. The abortion rate will go up, of the number of poor women having babies they can't afford will go up, because abstinence has never worked.

This anti-sex thing seems to be an anti-woman thing, aggression and disrespect against women by men who are mentally sick. There are some extremely evil heterosexual men in our country who want to re-establish the double standard between the sexes as to taking part in sexual activity, such that any male participation is okay, but any female participation is horrible. It's a control thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with any "god" or any notion of "morality," whatever that is. Isn't it weird that guys who pride themselves on being heterosexual (and hate LGBTs) simultaneously hate their intimate partners? I wonder why women stay with partners who hold these views. The only explanation that I can offer is that these women were raised in fundie-cult indoctrination, like the training in sexual exploitation offered by such persons as Bill Gothard and the rest of the male "purity" cult, to accept being subjugated and disrespected, and to accept sexual invasion by men who despise them after a sham "marriage."

Congratulations! You apparently have mastered "psychobabble".!
 

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