Zone1 Mormons who have apostatized or stopped going to Church

[TruthNotBS]

It's one mention of some who practice it. Thar isn't a Doctrine. It's the exact same kind of error that Jehovah's Witnesses make about blood transfusions.

It was practiced in the early Church, and doctrine is established by the Church. That Church used to be the Catholic Church, which through their tradition was able to establish which books should be added to the NT canon and which doctrines the Church would adopt. Are you a Catholic? No. Show me in the Bible, where it states that the Bible is the only source of doctrine. Even the Bible doesn't support your doctrine of Sola Scriptura. The Church establishes doctrine on the authority of the magisterium and Church tradition, not Sola Scriptura. The ancient view of Church authority was always that the Church and its apostolic priesthood carries more weight than the Bible.

The Catholic Church fell into error early in its history and God chose an American prophet in the 19th century to restore His Church. It's that simple. The authority is in the Church, it's leadership, not a book. The book has to be interpreted, so even if your Bible is supposedly inerrant, your interpretation of the inerrant book isn't inerrant. However, if God sends a prophet then that's a whole different situation.

 

[BS Filter]

It was practiced in the early Church, and doctrine is established by the Church. That Church used to be the Catholic Church, which through their tradition was able to establish which books should be added to the NT canon and which doctrines the Church would adopt. Are you a Catholic? No. Show me in the Bible, where it states that the Bible is the only source of doctrine. Even the Bible doesn't support your doctrine of Sola Scriptura. The Church establishes doctrine on the authority of the magisterium and Church tradition, not Sola Scriptura. The ancient view of Church authority was always that the Church and its apostolic priesthood carries more weight than the Bible.

The Catholic Church fell into error early in its history and God chose an American prophet in the 19th century to restore His Church. It's that simple. The authority is in the Church, it's leadership, not a book. The book has to be interpreted any way, so even if your Bible is supposedly inerrant, your interpretation of the inerrant book isn't inerrant. However, if God sends a prophet then that's a whole different situation.

It was practiced by SOME in the early church who believed what you believe. It isn't a Christian Doctrine. My interpretation is Biblical. There is One God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You interpretation is there are many Gods who create their own universe and that's what you hope to achieve through your good works.

 

[Cougarbear]

It's one mention of some who practice it. Thar isn't a Doctrine. It's the exact same kind of error that Jehovah's Witnesses make about blood transfusions.

This is rich again. You claim all people hold the priesthood because of one place in the Bible. Then, you deny the ordinance of baptism of the dead because it's only mentioned once in the Bible. Because of this, your statement about priesthood isn't doctrine and in error. The number of times something is in the Bible has nothing to do to whether it is doctrine or not. If it is in scripture then it is doctrine. The question is then are all scriptures in the OT still doctrine. The answer is yes. All the old commandments are still doctrine. The question is has some of the doctrine of the OT been ended by God through prophets or Jesus Christ and His Apostles by revelation? The answer is yes. However, as noted before, ended doesn't always mean permanently ended or extinct. The NT says there will be a day of the restitution of all things. All things meaning ordinances and doctrines. We know by common sense, "all" doesn't necessarily mean everything. "All" refers to those things important for the salvation and exaltation of mankind. Acts 3:20-22. Who was Moses talking about? Certainly not Jesus Christ. He was prophesying of a much later day after Jesus Christ atoned for our sins. Our days. Another prophet would be called after the apostasy Paul spoke about. The latter days. Joseph Smith who opened this last dispensation of the fullness of times in the last days of the restitution of all things.

 

[BS Filter]

This is rich again. You claim all people hold the priesthood because of one place in the Bible. Then, you deny the ordinance of baptism of the dead because it's only mentioned once in the Bible. Because of this, your statement about priesthood isn't doctrine and in error. The number of times something is in the Bible has nothing to do to whether it is doctrine or not. If it is in scripture then it is doctrine. The question is then are all scriptures in the OT still doctrine. The answer is yes. All the old commandments are still doctrine. The question is has some of the doctrine of the OT been ended by God through prophets or Jesus Christ and His Apostles by revelation? The answer is yes. However, as noted before, ended doesn't always mean permanently ended or extinct. The NT says there will be a day of the restitution of all things. All things meaning ordinances and doctrines. We know by common sense, "all" doesn't necessarily mean everything. "All" refers to those things important for the salvation and exaltation of mankind. Acts 3:20-22. Who was Moses talking about? Certainly not Jesus Christ. He was prophesying of a much later day after Jesus Christ atoned for our sins. Our days. Another prophet would be called after the apostasy Paul spoke about. The latter days. Joseph Smith who opened this last dispensation of the fullness of times in the last days of the restitution of all things.

Again, you show your ignorance of the Bible. Believers being priests is mentioned in more than one place in the NT. Better grab a concordance and do your research.

 

[TruthNotBS]

It was practiced by SOME in the early church who believed what you believe. It isn't a Christian Doctrine. My interpretation is Biblical. There is One God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You interpretation is there are many Gods who create their own universe and that's what you hope to achieve through your good works.

How do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is correct? What is the Bible? Who determined what the Bible is? You? Who determines Christian doctrine? Is your private interpretation of the Bible inerrant? Is your Protestant denomination the world's authority on determining what is the Bible and what is its correct interpretation? Who determined what would be the correct "doctrine" of Christianity? You? Your friends? Roman Catholics that pray to Mary and the saints? Evangelicals?

 

[Cougarbear]

The priesthood was a picture of Jesus in the OT. You don't get it because you have never studied the Bible.

Because you have studied the Bible from uninspired secular scholars you haven't a clue on what the real meaning is of any of the scriptures. I've been studying the New Testament for 45 years now. I'm well versed in it and understand it by the power of the Holy Ghost. The Father gave his power and authority to Jehovah (Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ gave his power and authority to the Apostles. If it were not so, they would not have been able to heal the sick or perform any of the ordinances. The Apostles then conferred the priesthood upon bishops, elders and so on. Miracles and ordinances are done through God's power and authority. So, without that, they cannot be performed.

 

[Cougarbear]

It doesn't say that. You're still lying.

It does say that so you are lying...

 

[BS Filter]

How do you know that your interpretation of the Bible is correct? What is the Bible? Who determined what the Bible is? You? Who determines Christian doctrine? Is your private interpretation of the Bible inerrant? Is your Protestant denomination the world's authority on determining what is the Bible and what is its correct interpretation? Who determined what would be the correct "doctrine" of Christianity? You? Your friends? Roman Catholics that pray to Mary and the saints? Evangelicals?

I attend a nondenominational church, just like the first Christians. Our church uses the Bible. Period.

 

[Cougarbear]

It was practiced by SOME in the early church who believed what you believe. It isn't a Christian Doctrine. My interpretation is Biblical. There is One God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You interpretation is there are many Gods who create their own universe and that's what you hope to achieve through your good works.

You have to understand that BS is just that. When he's trapped, his reaction is to change the subject and hope you will do the same. These Bible bashers are a crack up. Missionaries are told not to bible bash with them because it brings contention. And we see this when he starts calling you a liar.

 

[BS Filter]

Because you have studied the Bible from uninspired secular scholars you haven't a clue on what the real meaning is of any of the scriptures. I've been studying the New Testament for 45 years now. I'm well versed in it and understand it by the power of the Holy Ghost. The Father gave his power and authority to Jehovah (Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ gave his power and authority to the Apostles. If it were not so, they would not have been able to heal the sick or perform any of the ordinances. The Apostles then conferred the priesthood upon bishops, elders and so on. Miracles and ordinances are done through God's power and authority. So, without that, they cannot be performed.

That's all assumption on your part. You keep telling me what the Bible says and I keep proving you wrong. Carry on.

 

[BS Filter]

You have to understand that BS is just that. When he's trapped, his reaction is to change the subject and hope you will do the same. These Bible bashers are a crack up. Missionaries are told not to bible bash with them because it brings contention. And we see this when he starts calling you a liar.

You're all liars. All lds are liars because your religion is a lie. That's not Bible bashing. You just can't help yourself from false narratives.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why would Christians or Saints care what an atheist has to say?

An odd question, considering you are the one who made up and posted the fantasy about atheists making people apostatize.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I attend a nondenominational church, just like the first Christians. Our church uses the Bible. Period.

The first church in Jerusalem was under the authority of the 12 apostles (following their doctrine) and the only Bible they had was the Old Testament. Do you only recognize the OT as your scriptures? Who decided and by whose authority to create an NT collection of 27 books? You? Roman Catholics?

The Book of Acts states that the first Christians were zealous of the Torah (The Law):

Act 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

Are you zealous of the Torah/Law? Are you living in a Christian commune? Are you a theistic, Christian communist? The first Christians held all things in common:

Act 2:42-47 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. (43) And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. (44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (46) And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, (47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Act 4:32-37 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (33) And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. (34) Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, (35) And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (36) And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, (37) Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

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Is your church doing all of the above? Are you keeping Torah, are you following the doctrine of the apostles taught to them directly by Jesus? Are you a Christian Communist?

The 12 apostles ordered Paul in Acts 15:28-29: "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Did Paul really comply with the above? Read what he said about eating food offered to idols.

You have nothing but your own opinions and religious picadillo. You have no theological, historical, or moral high ground upon which to stand and condemn Mormon Christians. None.

 

[BS Filter]

The first church in Jerusalem was under the authority of the 12 apostles (following their doctrine) and the only Bible they had was the Old Testament. Do you only recognize the OT as your scriptures? Who decided and by whose authority to create an NT collection of 27 books? You? Roman Catholics?

The Book of Acts states that the first Christians were zealous of the Torah (The Law):

Act 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

Are you zealous of the Torah/Law? Are you living in a Christian commune? Are you a theistic, Christian communist? The first Christians held all things in common:

Act 2:42-47 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. (43) And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. (44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (46) And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, (47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Act 4:32-37 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (33) And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. (34) Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, (35) And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (36) And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, (37) Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

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Is your church doing all of the above? Are you keeping Torah, are you following the doctrine of the apostles taught to them directly by Jesus? Are you a Christian Communist?

The 12 apostles ordered Paul in Acts 15:28-29: "For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Did Paul really comply with the above? Read what he said about eating food offered to idols.

You have nothing but your own opinions and religious picadillo. You have no theological, historical, or moral high ground upon which to stand and condemn Mormon Christians. None.

I'll ask the same thing of you. Well?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Mormons who apostatize should be praised and supported. It takes a lot of bravery to give up the only social network you have ever known.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I'll ask the same thing of you. Well?

I'm not the one condemning you, grinding the ax. The Mormons recognize you as a Christian, despite not being of their church. Why can't you afford them the same courtesy? Perhaps it's because you're a "real piece of work". A hypocrite. I don't condemn you as an "evil cultist" or child of the devil, you're the one doing that to Mormon Christians, on the most dubious grounds being that you're also condemning yourself using such standards. Sola Scriptura will destroy your faith. You have no idea in what danger you're in applying this false doctrine. Someone knowledgeable of the Bible will pulverize your Evangelical presumptions, grinding them to dust using the Bible.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Mormons who apostatize should be praised and supported. It takes a lot of bravery to give up the only social network you have ever known.

One can say the same thing about those who apostatize from Evangelicalism or any other version of Christianity, to join the Latter Day Saints.

 

[BS Filter]

I'm not the one condemning you, grinding the ax. The Mormons recognize you as a Christian, despite not being of their church. Why can't you afford them the same courtesy? Perhaps it's because you're a "real piece of work". A hypocrite. I don't condemn you as an "evil cultist" or child of the devil, you're the one doing that to Mormon Christians, on the most dubious grounds being that you're also condemning yourself using such standards. Sola Scriptura will destroy your faith. You have no idea in what danger you're in applying this false doctrine. Someone knowledgeable of the Bible will pulverize your Evangelical presumptions, grinding them to dust using the Bible.

If they recognize me as a Christian why are they constantly trying to recruit me to their organization? I condemn your organization because it's a false prophet. Jesus warned us about false prophets.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

One can say the same thing about those who apostatize from Evangelicalism or any other version of Christianity, to join the Latter Day Saints.

No, not really. Mormonism is different.

And furthermore, those who apostatize away from religion entirely deserve rhe most praise and support.

 

[Cougarbear]

An odd question, considering you are the one who made up and posted the fantasy about atheists making people apostatize.

Why is it a fantasy? That’s what you are doing.