Muslim workers fired over prayer dispute

[TheCrusader]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

Absolution is a physical act not merely a "woulda coulda shoulda".

ISIS fighters in fact DO put their weapons down 5 times a day and pray, they just don't do it all at once.

 

[Tilly]

Cargill is under no obligation to provide the accommodation if it puts the company under a hardship, it's an assembly type workplace and would create a unreasonable hardship to the company.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"? Are you ignorant enough to think that these workers are proselytizing on the line? They're not Evangelicals.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"?

One?

Maybe two?

Not much hardship at all.

But according to the article, it would have been up to 200 employees taking a break at the same time.

Most companies, that would mean shutting down every time they needed to pray

And yet the company managed to do this in the past. Apparently a decade of experience has made them less competent, not more. And virtually overnight. Amazing.

Would you be arguing for 200 Christians to bring production to a halt in order to pray?

 

[dannyboys]

where arianrhod, the Welsh Celtic goddess, would draw the line?

Muslim bus driver locks passengers aboard as he stops to pray

The driver pulled over without warning and rolled out a high-visibility jacket as a makeshift prayer mat before removing his shoes, turning to face Mecca and starting to chant in Arabic.

Passengers said they looked on in stunned silence, fearing the driver may be preparing for a terrorist attack on the bus. No one was able to get on or off the vehicle during the five-minute prayer session.

Gayle Griffiths, 33, complained to Transport for London (TfL) about the incident on the number 24 bus in Gospel Oak, north London, last week.

The mother-of-one from Camden, north west London, who had boarded the bus minutes earlier on her way home from work, said: “Everyone was looking round in a mix of shock and amazement.

“When he had finished, he just got back up and set off again – all without any explanation or apology. It was truly bizarre, ludicrous and aggravating.”
“We are delayed often enough as it is in London. We live in a multicultural society but there is a time and a place for prayer and the middle of a journey with a busload of passengers is not it.”..

...Gigi David, 38, a bus driver on the same route, claimed that he was aware of other Muslim drivers who had stopped buses to pray in the past.

"I don't like it and I don't accept it, but they do it," he said.

"They stop the bus and they make people wait while they pray.

"It's not fair on the public - why should they have to wait? If these Muslim drivers want to pray they should do it in their own time."

Ricardo Dinis, 27, who also drives the number 24, said: "It's wrong because it causes delays. I think these drivers should have time for their religion, but when it comes to work he should have waited.'...

Muslim bus driver locks passengers aboard as he stops to pray

If I had been on that bus and the fucking rag head had done that I would have attempted a fifty yard field goal.

 

[turzovka]

You are a hateful person, and therefore not yet saved by Christ.

And you appear to be a sorry lost soul yourself who dares set himself up as another’s judge. (imo)

Your accusational vitriol towards all others who do not believe like you believe or express themselves religiously like you demand --- that makes you an even larger fool.

I have no time to debate your “heart felt” “loving” theology to Christ because your actions and your words speak louder than your dogma. I cannot imagine you are very old. You need to seek a seek a priest, not your narrow-minded personal mean-spirited judgmental interpretation of the Bible.

 

[dannyboys]

Cargill is under no obligation to provide the accommodation if it puts the company under a hardship, it's an assembly type workplace and would create a unreasonable hardship to the company.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"? Are you ignorant enough to think that these workers are proselytizing on the line? They're not Evangelicals.

Employees can't just decide when to go for a smoke break and you know it!
Management decides when breaks happen NOT fucking rag heads!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Are you fucking kidding me!

Show me the law in Colorado that supports your bullshit nonsense!

A company does not have to pay you for that time off nor do they have to pay you for that fucking break either!

You are the one being retarded here, and also they walked off the job and refused to return and right there they lose!

Go ahead bring your fucking lawsuit because you and CAIR will lose this one, and those worker will be jobless because a company does not have to give them breaks for their prayer while it is on the company dime!

Rules change and if you dislike the fucking rules find another job!

They don't have to pay for the break, just like they don't pay you on lunch breaks.

They just have to accommodate your civil rights.

Holy fucking shit!

They have to accommodate you with two fifteen minute breaks and a half hour lunch in a eight hour day and nothing more. They do not have to stop production for your religion and to say they must is total bullshit.

The workers walked off the job with the new rule change fully aware that they would lose their job and those like you support their stupidity just because they are Muslim!

Fuck'em and hope they find another job that will accommodate them but the reality is those jobs are rare if any will be found in today time!

You are really really stupid.

Religious Discrimination - Workplace

They don't have to pay for the break, just like they don't pay you on lunch breaks.

They just have to accommodate your civil rights.

Holy fucking shit!

They have to accommodate you with two fifteen minute breaks and a half hour lunch in a eight hour day and nothing more. They do not have to stop production for your religion and to say they must is total bullshit.

The workers walked off the job with the new rule change fully aware that they would lose their job and those like you support their stupidity just because they are Muslim!

Fuck'em and hope they find another job that will accommodate them but the reality is those jobs are rare if any will be found in today time!

You are really really stupid.

Religious Discrimination - Workplace Fairness

Fairness

Just read you fucking link and guess what they were not discriminated against!

The accommodation was at their break time, and if you and then believe they should have more breaks than the company allows, well go fuck yourself!

No law was broken but good to know you support a Muslim right to scream injustice when there is none you stupid fucking inbred of asshole!

A company only has to accommodate you with two fifteen minute breaks and a thirty minute break during a eight hour period, and if that does not go with the time of prayer then quit and find another fucking job!

So you fucking lose!

Now you're just fucking stupid.


7. Does my employer, or prospective employer have a responsibility to provide me with an accommodation, when they reasonably know I need one, even if I did not ask for one?
Yes. In a recent case before the Supreme Court, a woman was declined a sales associate job because her hijab violated Abercrombie’s “look policy”, even though the job applicant was not informed of this policy. In this case, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission v. Abercrombie & Fitch Stores, the Court held that if management has even a suspicion about an applicant or an employee’s religious views and/or need for an accommodation, it may violate Federal civil rights laws to not hire or accommodate, that applicant or employee, while enforcing a completely neutral job rule. So even if a job applicant or employee does not inform management about a religious practice, the employer still must make religious accommodations for that applicant or employee if they believe the worker follows a certain religious belief or practice, even if doing so contradicts neutral company policies.

No one is saying they can not pray on their break or lunch time, and if that were the case then you have a issue there, so you lose as usual you stupid piece of shit!

They walked off the Job and lost their fucking job and the Company only has to accommodate then two fifteen minute breaks and a half hour lunch in a eight hour period and nothing more.

So take it to court and once a month I will ask you how the case is coming and my bet you will slither away like the coward you are!

 

[OldLady]

Cargill is under no obligation to provide the accommodation if it puts the company under a hardship, it's an assembly type workplace and would create a unreasonable hardship to the company.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"? Are you ignorant enough to think that these workers are proselytizing on the line? They're not Evangelicals.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"?

One?

Maybe two?

Not much hardship at all.

But according to the article, it would have been up to 200 employees taking a break at the same time.

Most companies, that would mean shutting down every time they needed to pray

And yet the company managed to do this in the past. Apparently a decade of experience has made them less competent, not more. And virtually overnight. Amazing.

Would you be arguing for 200 Christians to bring production to a halt in order to pray?

Tilly, read the article. The praying wasn't causing production to halt.

 

[Tilly]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

They must do wudhu and face mecca.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Cargill is under no obligation to provide the accommodation if it puts the company under a hardship, it's an assembly type workplace and would create a unreasonable hardship to the company.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"? Are you ignorant enough to think that these workers are proselytizing on the line? They're not Evangelicals.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"?

One?

Maybe two?

Not much hardship at all.

But according to the article, it would have been up to 200 employees taking a break at the same time.

Most companies, that would mean shutting down every time they needed to pray

And yet the company managed to do this in the past. Apparently a decade of experience has made them less competent, not more. And virtually overnight. Amazing.

Would you be arguing for 200 Christians to bring production to a halt in order to pray?

Tilly, read the article. The praying wasn't causing production to halt.

Without actually seeing the operations I'd venture to guess the practice was putting a strain on production. Companies are constantly looking for ways to increase/maintain production and it probably played into it

 

[Syriusly]

Sucks to be them. Work first and pray on your own time, not company time

Muslim workers in Fort Morgan fired over prayer dispute walkout

About 150 workers, most of them immigrants from Somalia, have been fired from a meat packing and distribution plant on Colorado's Eastern Plains for walking off the job to protest a workplace prayer dispute.

Ten days ago more than 200 workers walked off their jobs at Cargill Meat Solutions in Fort Morgan.

Some workers later returned, but the majority stayed away as representatives of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) negotiated on their behalf.

On Tuesday Cargill, through its attorneys, fired the workers who were holding out, said Jaylani Hussein, a spokesman and executive director of CAIR.

Cargill is a Kansas-based company.

Some of the fired employees have been working at the plant for up to 10 years, Hussein said.Cargill had previously allowed Muslim employees to pray at the plant, even providing a prayer room, he said.

Depending on the season, the Muslim workers prayed at different times of the day, typically in about five-to-10 minute blocks, Hussein said. But recently a decision was made at the plant to change the practice.

"The workers were told: 'If you want to pray, go home,' " Hussein said.

Muslim workers in Fort Morgan fired over prayer dispute walkout

They shouldn't have walked off the job.

I don't know all of the particulars but you walk off the job you pretty much lose your legal protections, unless you have a labor contract.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

Absolution is a physical act not merely a "woulda coulda shoulda".

ISIS fighters in fact DO put their weapons down 5 times a day and pray, they just don't do it all at once.

They do not do it all at once?

So then the company can tell their workforce you can pray on your given break time but not all at once, right?

Let me guess it is different and not what you meant to write!

 

[TheCrusader]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

Absolution is a physical act not merely a "woulda coulda shoulda".

ISIS fighters in fact DO put their weapons down 5 times a day and pray, they just don't do it all at once.

They do not do it all at once?

So then the company can tell their workforce you can pray on your given break time but not all at once, right?

Let me guess it is different and not what you meant to write!

Yes precisely but apparently Cargill didn't want to do that. How weird. Cargill just didn't want to give their slave immigrant workers any break at all.

 

[Tilly]

Cargill is under no obligation to provide the accommodation if it puts the company under a hardship, it's an assembly type workplace and would create a unreasonable hardship to the company.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"? Are you ignorant enough to think that these workers are proselytizing on the line? They're not Evangelicals.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"?

One?

Maybe two?

Not much hardship at all.

But according to the article, it would have been up to 200 employees taking a break at the same time.

Most companies, that would mean shutting down every time they needed to pray

And yet the company managed to do this in the past. Apparently a decade of experience has made them less competent, not more. And virtually overnight. Amazing.

Would you be arguing for 200 Christians to bring production to a halt in order to pray?

Tilly, read the article. The praying wasn't causing production to halt.

This sentence seems to indicate that praying was indeed interfering with production:

Last week, company spokesman Mike Martin told the Greeley Tribune that because employees work on an assembly line, only one or two at a time can use a prayer area.

Muslim workers fired over prayer dispute walkout in Colorado

 

[dannyboys]

They previously had the right to a prayer break. If they had been Christian, there would have been an uproar on how Christians are targeted and discrimminated against.

The difference you fucking moron Christians don't behave like filthy rag heads do.

Are you a Christian?

NO!
But i know what you are. An asshole!
Cargill changed their policy because the fucking rag heads were taking advantage of Cargills generous accommodations.
The rag heads couldn't resist pushing the envelope. They were warned repeatedly and they thought they were calling Cargill's bluff. As in EVERY other case when sane people must deal with fucking muslims the muslims 100% of the time are the losers.
Those rag heads will never work for another processing plant in their miserable dumb-ass lives.
Maybe they'll decide to become bomb makers instead.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

Absolution is a physical act not merely a "woulda coulda shoulda".

ISIS fighters in fact DO put their weapons down 5 times a day and pray, they just don't do it all at once.

They do not do it all at once?

So then the company can tell their workforce you can pray on your given break time but not all at once, right?

Let me guess it is different and not what you meant to write!

Yes precisely but apparently Cargill didn't want to do that. How weird. Cargill just didn't want to give their slave immigrant workers any break at all.

Really?

Is that what you believe?

Now it is they did not want to give their slave breaks, and if that is the case then by all means prove the company denied them the fifteen minute breaks twice in a eight hour period and the half hour lunch, and if the company did give those workers those breaks, well then asshole you just lied!

A company does not have to give them breaks all at once and does not have to grant them more breaks than what the law allows unless like another poster posted those workers had a labor contract and have a union to fight for them.

They walked off a job... They were told to return and they refused... They were fired and if no labor contract, well they are fuck unless you can prove they were denied their breaks that are required by Federal, State, Local laws...

 

[dannyboys]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

Absolution is a physical act not merely a "woulda coulda shoulda".

ISIS fighters in fact DO put their weapons down 5 times a day and pray, they just don't do it all at once.

They do not do it all at once?

So then the company can tell their workforce you can pray on your given break time but not all at once, right?

Let me guess it is different and not what you meant to write!

Yes precisely but apparently Cargill didn't want to do that. How weird. Cargill just didn't want to give their slave immigrant workers any break at all.

Slaves? Then why not go back to the fucking shithole they came from? I'm sure they'd be happier there.

 

[TheCrusader]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

Absolution is a physical act not merely a "woulda coulda shoulda".

ISIS fighters in fact DO put their weapons down 5 times a day and pray, they just don't do it all at once.

They do not do it all at once?

So then the company can tell their workforce you can pray on your given break time but not all at once, right?

Let me guess it is different and not what you meant to write!

Yes precisely but apparently Cargill didn't want to do that. How weird. Cargill just didn't want to give their slave immigrant workers any break at all.

Really?

Is that what you believe?

Now it is they did not want to give their slave breaks, and if that is the case then by all means prove the company denied them the fifteen minute breaks twice in a eight hour period and the half hour lunch, and if the company did give those workers those breaks, well then asshole you just lied!

A company does not have to give them breaks all at once and does not have to grant them more breaks than what the law allows unless like another poster posted those workers had a labor contract and have a union to fight for them.

They walked off a job... They were told to return and they refused... They were fired and if no labor contract, well they are fuck unless you can prove they were denied their breaks that are required by Federal, State, Local laws...

They denied the breaks at the appropriate times, which is a reasonable accommodation.

I doubt they even got 2 fifteen minute breaks, most places don't even give you that as long as you work less than 40/hrs a week.

 

[TheCrusader]

All you Muslim experts, why can't they pray in their heads? You know, say the prayer while they're working? It must be pretty disruptive--do they stop to pray at UN meetings? Do ISIS fighters put down their weapons 5 times a day?

Absolution is a physical act not merely a "woulda coulda shoulda".

ISIS fighters in fact DO put their weapons down 5 times a day and pray, they just don't do it all at once.

They do not do it all at once?

So then the company can tell their workforce you can pray on your given break time but not all at once, right?

Let me guess it is different and not what you meant to write!

Yes precisely but apparently Cargill didn't want to do that. How weird. Cargill just didn't want to give their slave immigrant workers any break at all.

Slaves? Then why not go back to the fucking shithole they came from? I'm sure they'd be happier there.

We all know you hate black people.

 

[Katzndogz]

Cargill is under no obligation to provide the accommodation if it puts the company under a hardship, it's an assembly type workplace and would create a unreasonable hardship to the company.

How would a worker's leaving the line to take a smoke break "cause unreasonable hardship"? Are you ignorant enough to think that these workers are proselytizing on the line? They're not Evangelicals.

When an employee takes a smoke break, another employee steps in. Not all employees take smoke breaks at the same time.

In the case of the prayers, everyone on the line leaves at the same time and so do all the relief workers.

 

[dannyboys]

Cargill's got the legal right to do what it did. The workers should have known they'd lose their jobs for walking off the line; they made their choice. But I, too, wonder why Cargill changed its policy just now after ten years with no issues. It was probably complaints and tension coming from suspicious coworkers that led to the policy change. Doubtful Cargill bosses were worried about who was praying on their breaks. Islamaphobia wins again.