No, Chansley Was Not Escorted Into the Capitol Building

[L.K.Eder]

LOLOL

You're out of your fucking mind, brain-dead con. I just posted the video you're denying exists.

From that video, here's a screen shot of the door being kicked open...

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And here's a screenshot of BuffaloHead entering the Capitol through it...

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yeah. clearly antifa...

 

[krichton]

Yep, they broke in for sure.

The cops--what little presence there was--stood around and watched them.

Strange. Yes?

Yup, strange. Although it's on record that the cops that escorted Chansely around did ask him to leave. What's interesting is how polite and accommodating they all were about it when their fellow officers were being beaten outside by the deranged maga mob. lol

 

[krichton]

The protesters had already broken through their barricades outside and were rushing the Capitol entrance, and all of their measures failed to stop the protesters from entering, so they did as trained to do when way outnumbered, they tried to de-escalate the situation by calmly letting them in.

And Chansley was not right....he LIED on 60 minutes, he KNEW he was right up from with those bashing windows and kicking doors out, to get in to the building.... He was NEVER escorted in, he broke in,

nor was he escorted around the capitol and in to Senate chambers, he was being followed around the capitol by cops, who asked him to leave, several times....




The video HAS NOT been released. We the people, have no access to review it.....

Yup he broke in with everyone else. However once inside, according to testimony, he was escorted and led around to where all other idiots were, in that big room, where he gave his speech.

The deescalation explanation makes sense till you realize that cops in this country have no such procedure. They're usually the ones escalating a situation.

 

[Care4all]

Yup he broke in with everyone else. However once inside, according to testimony, he was escorted and led around to where all other idiots were, in that big room, where he gave his speech.

The deescalation explanation makes sense till you realize that cops in this country have no such procedure. They're usually the ones escalating a situation.

Actually they do have that procedure and trained for it.

Cops in other places than the Capitol with mob situations train for it as well.

Sometimes they mess up, and ignore training....or there isn't a script and training for all situations....and/or Murphy's Law takes place....

The restraint those cops showed, SAVED MANY LIVES in this Capitol situation....and kept a bad situation from getting much worse imo.

 

[Nostra]

Show a screen cap of the tour by nine officers.

The video is better, Simp. Go watch it and get educated.

 

[Nostra]

Prove it. What facts? I bet you don’t post them.

See.

 

[Marener]

The video is better, Simp. Go watch it and get educated.

So you can’t back it up because you lied.

Gotcha.

 

[Clipper]

Might wanna do a bit more research dude.................Chansley actually was able to get special food, and was transferred to a different prison because of his beliefs while in pre trial confinement. Yeah.............go ahead.............tell us about the horrific conditions he was held in.....................and provide links to back up your bullshit.

Here is something to back up my claims of Chansley being given accommodations due to his beliefs.....

‘QAnon shaman’ Jacob Chansley is sentenced to 41 months in prison

Prosecutors had urged the judge to sentence him to more time for his role in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

www.politico.com

After his arrest, one of the first of about 700 connected to the Jan. 6 attack, he was ordered held in pretrial detention as a possible flight risk, due to his prominence in the QAnon community and uncertain sources of financing. While detained, he briefly made headlines for an interview with “60 Minutes+” — earning a rebuke from Lamberth — and a successful fight to obtain organic food because of his religious belief.

“It did wonders for me,” Chansley said.

But Lamberth noted that his decision to move Chansley from the D.C. jail to a Virginia jail so he could get a special diet led to some criticism.

Because of his religious beliefs, he said that he required organic food, and that was granted, he was even transferred to another prison so that his dietary requirements could be met. Hell, he was even interviewed on television.

None of Trump's asskissers ever gave a thought to prison conditions until their out of control mob was tossed in the can for rioting on 1/6.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Biden said you cant take over the US government without F15s.

I saw no F15s used by the J6 crowd.

 

[Faun]

Okay. We'll argue like adults. Prepare for another term-paper post. But we can't discuss serious problemns with sound-bites.

Here's the hard, nasty reality: very few people really support 'the Constitution', or the ideas that it embodies -- Free Speech, due process ... the whole idea of limited government -- when they think their core interests are challenged.

And I'm not talking about the well-known general ignorance about the American Constitution.
[ Woodrow Wilson National Fellowship Foundation | How Well Do Americans Know the Constitution? ]
[ Most Americans don't know what's in the Constitution: "A crisis of civic education" ]
[ Americans know literally nothing about the Constitution | CNN Politics ]

I mean the concepts in it. The ranks of my side don't believe in them, and the ranks of your side don't believe in them, when push comes to shove.

Take the issue of Free Speech. The Constitution actually prohibits the government from 'abridging the freedom of speech', but mobs can do the job just as well, or better.

And they are now, on college campuses, against my side. And when these kids move up and into government, we'll find them putting their intolerance into law, just as they've already abolished equal protection under the law with respect to racial privileges.

Now, I'd love to be able to say my side, all those Trump supporters, are of course principled supporters of equal protection, free speech, etc.

But of course it's not true, as a quick look at American history will show.

I personally experienced left wing meetings being disrupted by right wingers -- who were let off in court, when their lawyer just stood up and quoted one line from Barry Goldwater, 'Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice'.

Another friend of mine did time in prison for wearing a uniform during an anti-war guerilla theatre skit. He took his case to the Supreme Court and won. Another acquaintance -- a Black activist who was a thorn in the side of the police -- got thirty years for giving a marijuana cigarette to an undercover policeman. He too finally got justice in the courts, after serving four years.

Yet another friend was sitting in prison in Boston awaiting trial under the Smith Act, when the Supreme Court, in the Yates decision, allowed him to walk free.

All these events have two things in common: they happened a long time ago, when, roughly, my side was dominant. And it was the courts, acting against popular opinion, which carried out the wonderful ideals of the Constitution.

Google the 'Communist Control Act of 1954', co-authored by one of the most left wing men ever to sit in the Senate, Hubert Humphrey, and you'll get an idea of the popular mood of the time. (Imagine if Trump came out in support of something one-tenth as draconian as that bill today!)

It's the ruling elite who defend liberty, if anyone does. This is a conservative 'insight'. We're not naive optimists about the masses of people. People will struggle for their own interests, and in the long run, this is a good thing. It's dragged us forward from the dark ages.

But the average person is not an enthusiast for the liberty of his enemies, which is what the whole idea of liberty is really about. Everyone wants liberty for himself.

It's why the Constitution -- by which I mean the whole thing, including the Bill of Rights amendments -- puts so many restrictions on government, even on, maybe especially on, democratic government.

It's why my side likes to repeat the mantra, 'We live in a Republic, not a Democracy'.

As for threats to liberty in America. Yes, the future looks dark. We could well see a genuine anti-democratic quasi-fascist movement in America, under the right circumstances -- say, a big military humiliation abroad, followed by or concurrent with a deep depression. It's happened before. Maybe not even 'quasi'.

Right now genuine fascists are an isolated minority, shunned by conservatives for whatever reason. But there could be someone smart enough to avoid the scary word, but incorporating the essence of fascism: a pseudo-left social program, combined with the tactics and organizational methods of Lenin, blaming the usual suspects for the financial crisis, promising to make the trains run on time again? (And in America, there are multiple 'usual suspects', not just the poor Jews again.)

He might, under the right circumstances of social disintegration, get a lot of support. As Trotsky said, the wires of democracy cannot carry too high a social voltage.

Don't worry about Mr Trump. He can't even spell 'fascist'.

Is there a symmetrical threat from your side, a mass communist party aiming at one-party rule, the crushing of opposition, etc? This was a real threat in Europe for some years after WWII -- the Communists in Italy and France got close to 40% of the vote, but, with the Marshall Plan, couldn't make the breakthrough.

But I actually don't worry about that in America. I don't see your side having the social base for a serious mass communist party. Eight decades ago, yes. But not today.

What your side is doing is slowly destroying the country from within, teaching its young people that it's inherently evil, hollowing out the military and police. At the same time, you've joined with our neo-cons to keep trying to be the hegemonic world power, guaranteeing that we'll get involved in wars we can't win. (That used to be a speciality of my side, but we've learned something from that, or a lot of us have.)

So what's going to happen? Beats me. And beats everyone else, too. No one knows the future.

Your manifesto reads like a German Nazi talking to Jews, blaming them for all your problems. If you weren't such a fringe lunatic, that would concern you. Communism in America is not really a thing. Those who are, are as fringe as you. The future of America is not dark. Most Americans are not on the fringe like you and your Communist enemy. As far supporting the Constitution, don't you think in the very least, members of our government & military, who swear ab oath to support and defend it, should either support and defend it or they should be thrown out?

 

[Faun]

The video is better, Simp. Go watch it and get educated.

The video shows no such thing, Dumbfuck. You're out of your fucking mind. Not even lyin' Carlson ever told such a lie.

 

[Doug1943]

The protesters had already broken through their barricades outside and were rushing the Capitol entrance, and all of their measures failed to stop the protesters from entering, so they did as trained to do when way outnumbered, they tried to de-escalate the situation by calmly letting them in.

And Chansley was not right....he LIED on 60 minutes, he KNEW he was right up from with those bashing windows and kicking doors out, to get in to the building.... He was NEVER escorted in, he broke in,

nor was he escorted around the capitol and in to Senate chambers, he was being followed around the capitol by cops, who asked him to leave, several times....




The video HAS NOT been released. We the people, have no access to review it.....

The 6 Jan events were a huge gift to the Left. In the public mind -- the broad middle for whose support both Left and Right contend -- they cancelled out all the violent riots by Leftist just a few months before -- with the help of the mainstream media, of course. It's a gift that will keep on giving, as our people languish in prison, as our money and energy go into supporting them.

Of course, the Left will play it to the hilt. "It was an attempt to seize power, to impose a Trumpian dictatorship on America, to bring fascism to our beloved country, which we love so much (when we're not burning its flag). Armed criminals attacked Congress! If they had won, Blacks and Jews and Hispanics and women and gays would all be in concentration camps, awaiting their turn to be gassed!!! " etc etc.

Of course the Left will do this. Give the enemy an opening, and he'll use it. He's not stupid.

And we would do exactly the same, were the circumstances reversed. Or at least, I hope we would.

We fell into a trap, whether one set consciously by the enemy or not. We made a huge mistake. Do the crime, do the time. We must learn from it and not repeat it.

There are few neutrals here. We're all emotionally committed to our side. But for those few, a couple of questions.

People have said, the police let the demonstrators in at first, because there were so few policemen .. it was all they could do.

Okay, fair enough, although Ashley Babbit might disagree about just how restrained they were. But it seems to be true.

Now ... why? Trump had called for his supporters, who were numerous and fired up over what they believed, rightly or wrongly, was a stolen election, to come to DC in massive numbers, where, he said "it will be wild".

Hmmm... now, assume you're in charge of security for Congress. Given the circumstances, wouldn't you want a maximum mobilization of police, maybe even National Guard, just in case? Conservatives generally believe that government is incompetent, so maybe that's an excuse. But isn't it at least a leedle bit suspicious, that it was so easy for a mob to break into the Capitol?

It doesn't have to be a diabolical Great Conspiracy. It might just be a bit of "Let's give 'em enough rope, and see what happens..."

But if the preparation for the defense of Congress prepared by whoever was supposed to do it that day is what we can expect from our leaders ... whoa, I sure hope the same sort of person is not in charge of national defense.

Maybe the people who were supposed to defend Congress had been studying Pearl Harbor and decided that the cheerful optimism of the young lieutenant who decided the incoming blips on the radar were probably American so no need to awaken the guys on the base, who were all sleeping off Saturday night drunks .... was the model to follow.

Another point: what did the "insurrectionists" think was going to happen? What would success have been like? "We'll invade Congress, tear things up, fight with the police ... and those darned Congressmen will vote to overturn the election, we'll all go home, Mr Trump wil be President and everything will be beautiful."

Really. Okay, I know you on the Left think we are on the right need to be in groups of three to match the IQ of one of you ... but seriously. If their ambition was to force Congressmen to vote, out of fear, contrary to the way they wanted to vote ... well, to steal a line from Marc Antony, "ambition should be made of, if not sterner, then more intelligent, stuff".

The word "insurrection" should be meant for something serious. -- a violent attempt to seize state power. The violent riots by BLM/AntiFa etc of a few months earlier were not attempts to seize power. They were expressions of anger at what they saw as unfair actions by government. So too the Jan 6 riot.

A final point: is it so completely unthinkable that the FBI, or other levels of police, should have infiltrated the ranks of the demonstrators, and perhaps even encouraged them to commit a crime? Do you think this never happens? Really?

If you are so naive as to believe that their infiltrators just gather information, and never try to influence the people they're infiltrating, then you should read this article from the left-wing Nation magazine:
[ Deploying Informants, the FBI Stings Muslims ]

Did we have romantics in our ranks, play-acting Rambo? You bet. And mentally-ill people? Sure -- Q-Shaman is probably not alone.

They'll have to serve their sentences -- on our part (the Right) we can only demand that the sentences they get would be the same that leftwing rioters would get (and we know they won't be).

And hopefully, we'll learn some lessons from 6 January. We're playing by Big Boys Rules now.

Every patriot should go off and read up on 'seditious conspiracy', because that's one of the ways they'll try to get us: [ Seditious conspiracy - Wikipedia ]

In our meetings, when someone starts talking about "hanging traitors" or "moving from words to deeds" ... it may just be a manhood-challenged would-be Rambo, or it may be someone more sinister. Show 'em the door.

 

[Doug1943]

Your manifesto reads like a German Nazi talking to Jews, blaming them for all your problems. If you weren't such a fringe lunatic, that would concern you. Communism in America is not really a thing. Those who are, are as fringe as you. The future of America is not dark. Most Americans are not on the fringe like you and your Communist enemy. As far supporting the Constitution, don't you think in the very least, members of our government & military, who swear ab oath to support and defend it, should either support and defend it or they should be thrown out?

A shame. I thought you were one of those Leftists who could argue your case.

 

[Faun]

A shame. I thought you were one of those Leftists who could argue your case.

I did. I showed you're the enemy of America. Just as I said.

 

[dudmuck]

The 6 Jan events were a huge gift to the Left. In the public mind -- the broad middle for whose support both Left and Right contend -- they cancelled out all the violent riots by Leftist just a few months before -- with the help of the mainstream media, of course. It's a gift that will keep on giving, as our people languish in prison, as our money and energy go into supporting them.

Of course, the Left will play it to the hilt. "It was an attempt to seize power, to impose a Trumpian dictatorship on America, to bring fascism to our beloved country, which we love so much (when we're not burning its flag). Armed criminals attacked Congress! If they had won, Blacks and Jews and Hispanics and women and gays would all be in concentration camps, awaiting their turn to be gassed!!! " etc etc.

Of course the Left will do this. Give the enemy an opening, and he'll use it. He's not stupid.

And we would do exactly the same, were the circumstances reversed. Or at least, I hope we would.

We fell into a trap, whether one set consciously by the enemy or not. We made a huge mistake. Do the crime, do the time. We must learn from it and not repeat it.

There are few neutrals here. We're all emotionally committed to our side. But for those few, a couple of questions.

People have said, the police let the demonstrators in at first, because there were so few policemen .. it was all they could do.

Okay, fair enough, although Ashley Babbit might disagree about just how restrained they were. But it seems to be true.

Now ... why? Trump had called for his supporters, who were numerous and fired up over what they believed, rightly or wrongly, was a stolen election, to come to DC in massive numbers, where, he said "it will be wild".

Hmmm... now, assume you're in charge of security for Congress. Given the circumstances, wouldn't you want a maximum mobilization of police, maybe even National Guard, just in case? Conservatives generally believe that government is incompetent, so maybe that's an excuse. But isn't it at least a leedle bit suspicious, that it was so easy for a mob to break into the Capitol?

It doesn't have to be a diabolical Great Conspiracy. It might just be a bit of "Let's give 'em enough rope, and see what happens..."

But if the preparation for the defense of Congress prepared by whoever was supposed to do it that day is what we can expect from our leaders ... whoa, I sure hope the same sort of person is not in charge of national defense.

Maybe the people who were supposed to defend Congress had been studying Pearl Harbor and decided that the cheerful optimism of the young lieutenant who decided the incoming blips on the radar were probably American so no need to awaken the guys on the base, who were all sleeping off Saturday night drunks .... was the model to follow.

Another point: what did the "insurrectionists" think was going to happen? What would success have been like? "We'll invade Congress, tear things up, fight with the police ... and those darned Congressmen will vote to overturn the election, we'll all go home, Mr Trump wil be President and everything will be beautiful."

Really. Okay, I know you on the Left think we are on the right need to be in groups of three to match the IQ of one of you ... but seriously. If their ambition was to force Congressmen to vote, out of fear, contrary to the way they wanted to vote ... well, to steal a line from Marc Antony, "ambition should be made of, if not sterner, then more intelligent, stuff".

The word "insurrection" should be meant for something serious. -- a violent attempt to seize state power. The violent riots by BLM/AntiFa etc of a few months earlier were not attempts to seize power. They were expressions of anger at what they saw as unfair actions by government. So too the Jan 6 riot.

A final point: is it so completely unthinkable that the FBI, or other levels of police, should have infiltrated the ranks of the demonstrators, and perhaps even encouraged them to commit a crime? Do you think this never happens? Really?

If you are so naive as to believe that their infiltrators just gather information, and never try to influence the people they're infiltrating, then you should read this article from the left-wing Nation magazine:
[ Deploying Informants, the FBI Stings Muslims ]

Did we have romantics in our ranks, play-acting Rambo? You bet. And mentally-ill people? Sure -- Q-Shaman is probably not alone.

They'll have to serve their sentences -- on our part (the Right) we can only demand that the sentences they get would be the same that leftwing rioters would get (and we know they won't be).

And hopefully, we'll learn some lessons from 6 January. We're playing by Big Boys Rules now.

Every patriot should go off and read up on 'seditious conspiracy', because that's one of the ways they'll try to get us: [ Seditious conspiracy - Wikipedia ]

In our meetings, when someone starts talking about "hanging traitors" or "moving from words to deeds" ... it may just be a manhood-challenged would-be Rambo, or it may be someone more sinister. Show 'em the door.

street riots would only become an insurrection if that went into government buildings and tried to take power. Otherwise, its just property damage.

Also, the most import concept to keep in mind is that we are a democracy. Focus on winning elections, and then you dont need to worry about all that crap.

 

[Nostra]

I did.

Yep. You gonna lie yet again and say you didn’t?

 

[Nostra]

Nah, you lied. Your history speaks for you.

You not knowing the conversation doesn’t make me a liar, it makes you ignorant, Simp.

 

[Faun]

Yep. You gonna lie yet again and say you didn’t?

That lie is all yours since I never said he didn't. You're a typical con who can't tell the truth.

 

[Faun]

You not knowing the conversation doesn’t make me a liar, it makes you ignorant, Simp.

LOL

You dumbfuck, you reposted your lie on the previous page. I read it and saw immediately you were just lying again.

 

[Nostra]

So you can’t back it up because you lied.

Gotcha.

Already backed up by the video, Stupid.

We have already been thru this. Please try to keep up.