No Wonder Libs Are Upset - The Surge Is Working

[maineman]

Ever think of changing your ID to "the Artful Dodger?"

You fucked yourself. Man up and answer the questions.

I would agree..but must say that, from my perspective, there is nothing "artful" about his dodging! RSR is as "artful" as the guy who paints the white lines on the interstate.

 

[Gunny]

What were you saying Dems do not want to cut off funding?

Reid Says He'll Try to Cut Off War Funds

Apr 2 05:16 PM US/Eastern
By ANNE FLAHERTY
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Monday he will try to cut off funding for the Iraq war if President Bush rejects Congress' proposal to set a deadline for ending combat.
The move is likely to intensify the Democrats' rift with the administration, which already contends Democrats are putting troops at risk by setting deadlines.

In recent weeks, the House and Senate voted separately to finance the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but set an end date for combat in Iraq. The House proposal orders all combat troops as of Aug. 31, 2008, whereas the Senate orders some troops to leave right away with the nonbinding goal of ending combat by March 31, 2008.

The House and Senate are working on a final proposal that can be sent to the president by the end of the month.

Bush has said several times he would veto the measure, and Republicans say they'll back him. On Monday, 154 House Republicans sent Bush a letter promising to stick with him in opposition to the legislation.

Mindful that they hold a shaky majority in Congress and that neither chamber has enough votes to override a presidential veto, Democrats are already thinking about the next step after Bush rejects their legislation.

Reid said Monday that if that happens, he will join forces with Sen. Russ Feingold, one of the party's most liberal members who has long called to end the war by denying funding for it. Reid and others have previously been reluctant to propose cutting funding out of fear it would leave troops in the lurch.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8O8N5PO0&show_article=1

Now, let's try to not let our mouthes flat outrun our minds here ....

1. The Democrats pass legislation and submit it to the President.

2. The President vetoes it.

3. It goes back to Congress for change and resubmission or discard, in which case, repeat Steps 1&2.

OR, Congress -- not the majority party -- can override the President's veto.

Do you think the Democrat Congressfolk can get enough Republicritters to cross the aisle and vote with them to override the President's veto?

You're hyping nothing.

 

[Gunny]

I thought Dems were going to clean up all the messes in the world - they cannot even agree on what to do in Iraq

My it must be hard on you this morning to see all the directions your party is going in

And what monumentous conclusion have the Republicans come to in regard to "what to do with Iraq"? I must've missed that in teh morning news, not to mention that it was that very issue that cost Republicans control of Congress last November -- not knowing what to do in Iraq.

 

[red states rule]

And what monumentous conclusion have the Republicans come to in regard to "what to do with Iraq"? I must've missed that in teh morning news, not to mention that it was that very issue that cost Republicans control of Congress last November -- not knowing what to do in Iraq.

The American people did not vote to lose in Iraq. Libs said they would not cut off funding, nor would they cut and run

For over a year, Dems siad more troops were needed in Iraq - Pres Bush proposes the surge - Dems are then against it

What is the Dems plan? Surrender At All Costs

 

[red states rule]

that is not so....please either use the DoD casualty figures to show me the 60% decrease in American casualties that your month old press release - that you just reposted again today - indicates, or retract it.

If we did, in fact, have a 60% decrease in American casualties, you should be able to prove that using the verified casualty figures from our own department of defense.

One can always count on the liberal media to show their "support" pf the troops



ABC and CBS Use 4th Anniversary of Hussein Statue Toppling to Relay Iraqi's Regret
Posted by Brent Baker on April 9, 2007 - 21:39.
Both ABC and CBS on Monday night used the fourth anniversary of the toppling of the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad as a chance to highlight the regret of a man who used a sledgehammer to destroy the pedestal. After starting her story with anti-U.S. protests inspired by Moqtada al-Sadr, ABC's Hilary Brown, presumably referring to ABC's March poll of Iraqis, asserted that “the appalling bloodshed has turned most Iraqis -- 78 percent -- against the occupation. Thirty-six percent now say that life is worse than it ever was under the dictator.” She proceeded to focus on how “one Iraqi in particular remembers, and now regrets, that iconic moment four years ago when the huge statute of Saddam Hussein was toppled.” Brown relayed how Khadim Yabani “says 'but now I just feel regret because nothing has improved.' That's why he says it would have been better that Saddam had never been overthrown.” On the CBS Evening News, Martin Seemungal, before he highlighted Yabani, at least acknowledged that “in some places, like in the southern city of Basra, people were out celebrating the anniversary.”

Meanwhile, ABC's World News led with Diane Sawyer in Afghanistan where she suggested misplaced priorities as she pointed out that “on this anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, the leaders here note the U.S. has spent some four-times the amount in Iraq, per person, as in the place the fight against terrorism started.” Sawyer reminded Afghan President Hamid Karzai of how “you have said if the U.S. had given Afghanistan what it spent in Iraq, it would be like 'heaven' here. Did the U.S. give too little? In your view?" Karzai refused to take Sawyer's bait, responding: “We are grateful to the American people, to the taxpayers, for having helped Afghanistan, in a big way.”

Sawyer's exchange with Karzai as played on the April 9 World News:


Diane Sawyer: “On this anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, the leaders here note the U.S. has spent some four-times the amount in Iraq, per person, as in the place the fight against terrorism started.”

Sawyer to Hamid Karzai: “You have said if the U.S. had given Afghanistan what it spent in Iraq, it would be like 'heaven' here. Did the U.S. give too little? In your view?”

Hamid Karzai, President of Afghanistan: “The world as a whole -- other crises [probably meant 'countries'] in the world pay us little. We are grateful to the American people, to the taxpayers, for having helped Afghanistan, in a big way.”

Sawyer: “Do you have enough American and NATO troops?”

Karzai: “No. We don't have enough manpower or enough equipment or air power.”

Last September on Meet the Press Karzai had asserted: “Three hundred billion dollars? You give that to Afghanistan and we will be heaven in less than a year.”

CBS Evening News. After starting with the anti-U.S. protests, and noting how there was celebration in Basra, Martin Seemungal concluded his piece with the toppling of the Saddam Hussein statue:


“Remember the loan Iraqi battering it with a sledge hammer?”

Khadim Yabani, through translator: “It was my wish in life to destroy the statue.”

Seemungal: “That was Khadim Yabani. He remembers that moment as if it were yesterday.”

Yabani, through translator: “We were so happy we had got rid of the tyrant.”

Seemungal: “Now he spends most of his time in his shop working on old motorcycles. But business is slow. There's more demand for heavily armored vehicles in Baghdad than for Harley-Davidsons.”

Yabani, through translator: “We are going into the fifth year and we are suffering from problems more than we used to suffer in Saddam's time.”

Seemungal concluded: “The memory of that triumphant moment is fading fast. Martin Seemungal for CBS News, Baghdad.”


ABC's World News. Charles Gibson set up the anniversary story, which followed Sawyer's lead report from Afghanistan:

“Next, to Iraq. This is a major anniversary there. It was four years ago today that Saddam Hussein's statue came down in Baghdad's Fardus Square. There were many in the streets that day. There were many in the streets today. But for a different reason. ABC's Hilary Brown is in Baghdad."

Hilary Brown: "Tens of thousands of protesters converged on the holy city of Najaf in a sea of Iraqi flags to demand an immediate end to the U.S. occupation. A cleric on stage shouted, 'Get out, get out, occupier!' as the mainly Shiite crowd roared in assent. The protest was ordered by the powerful Shiite leader Moqtada al-Sadr, believed by U.S. officials to be in Iran. But in a statement, he called on Iraqis to stop fighting each other and unite against American troops. Authorities imposed a ban on cars, trucks, even motorcycles, in both Baghdad and Najaf. The fear was that the rally could become a target for bombers. The 24-hour traffic ban before and after the demonstration seems to have worked.

“There was little violence today. And that is rare in a country where ordinary people are being shot or blown up at the rate of 100 a day. The appalling bloodshed has turned most Iraqis -- 78 percent -- against the occupation. Thirty-six percent now say that life is worse than it ever was under the dictator.

“One Iraqi in particular remembers, and now regrets, that iconic moment four years ago when the huge statute of Saddam Hussein was toppled in Fardus Square. Khadim Yabani is a former weightlifter whose great strength helped bring the statue down. 'At the time, I was proud,' he says, 'but now I just feel regret because nothing has improved.' That's why he says it would have been better that Saddam had never been overthrown. The U.S. military said today that if Saddam were still in power, a protest like this one would not have been possible. Hilary Brown, ABC News, Baghdad."

Just last week, ABC's World News uniquely featured a report from Terry McCarthy on “improvements” in security and living conditions for the people of Iraq. Brad Wilmouth's NewsBusters item on that April 3 story.

http://newsbusters.org/node/11934

 

[maineman]

one can always count on RSR to run away from his own misstatements like a fucking girlieman.

what a pathetic loser!

He posts a month old press release and refuses to acknowledge that the information was limited and out of date. He claims that Americans experienced a 60% decrease in casaulties, but cannot back it up with any real numbers...just flatulent partisan bullshit.

 

[red states rule]

ABC and CBS Use 4th Anniversary of Hussein Statue Toppling to Relay Iraqi's Regret
Posted by Brent Baker on April 9, 2007 - 21:39.
Both ABC and CBS on Monday night used the fourth anniversary of the toppling of the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad as a chance to highlight the regret of a man who used a sledgehammer to destroy the pedestal. After starting her story with anti-U.S. protests inspired by Moqtada al-Sadr, ABC's Hilary Brown, presumably referring to ABC's March poll of Iraqis, asserted that “the appalling bloodshed has turned most Iraqis -- 78 percent -- against the occupation. Thirty-six percent now say that life is worse than it ever was under the dictator.” She proceeded to focus on how “one Iraqi in particular remembers, and now regrets, that iconic moment four years ago when the huge statute of Saddam Hussein was toppled.” Brown relayed how Khadim Yabani “says 'but now I just feel regret because nothing has improved.' That's why he says it would have been better that Saddam had never been overthrown.” On the CBS Evening News, Martin Seemungal, before he highlighted Yabani, at least acknowledged that “in some places, like in the southern city of Basra, people were out celebrating the anniversary.”

Meanwhile, ABC's World News led with Diane Sawyer in Afghanistan where she suggested misplaced priorities as she pointed out that “on this anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, the leaders here note the U.S. has spent some four-times the amount in Iraq, per person, as in the place the fight against terrorism started.” Sawyer reminded Afghan President Hamid Karzai of how “you have said if the U.S. had given Afghanistan what it spent in Iraq, it would be like 'heaven' here. Did the U.S. give too little? In your view?" Karzai refused to take Sawyer's bait, responding: “We are grateful to the American people, to the taxpayers, for having helped Afghanistan, in a big way.”

http://newsbusters.org/node/11934

 

[Rosotar]

The American people did not vote to lose in Iraq. Libs said they would not cut off funding, nor would they cut and run

That's a clever twist of propaganda RSR. Of course most Americans, if asked, would say no....they didn't vote to "loose" in Iraq. What they voted for was a change from the stagnant, dead end policies that have been in place thus far.

Our loss in Iraq is the result of misguided policies on the part of the Bush administration. They invaded with no clear strategy for winning the peace or for stabilizing Iraq after Saddam Hussein was deposed. People like Colin Powell warned the Bushies that if they invaded Iraq the very thing they're dealing with now would happen. Why didn't they listen? Now they're willing to throw more good after bad in order to postpone the day of reckoning which will be when they have to admit to the American people and to the world that they made a terrible mistake in invading Iraq in the first place.

The American people voted last fall to begin putting an end to this quagmire. Call that what you will but we're not going to "win" in Iraq. The writing is on the wall. Refusing to see it just harms our national security further and kills more American troops for George Bush's ego.

For over a year, Dems siad more troops were needed in Iraq - Pres Bush proposes the surge - Dems are then against it

Eric Shenseki told Bush more troops would be needed at the very beginning of the invasion. He was fired for his candor. Why do you suppose Bush flip-flopped on the number of troops needed?

Dems know it's too late for any "surge" to work now. Bush missed that opportunity four years ago.

What is the Dems plan? Surrender At All Costs

Parroting Rush Limbaugh talking points doesn't lend credibility to your arguments RSR.

 

[red states rule]

Since Dems know their "Surrender At All Costs" bill will never get past Pres Bush's desk - what will they do?

Dems cannot agree. Reid say the Senate will cut off funds - Levin say it won't

 

[Rosotar]

ABC and CBS Use 4th Anniversary of Hussein Statue Toppling to Relay Iraqi's Regret
Posted by Brent Baker on April 9, 2007 - 21:39.
Both ABC and CBS on Monday night used the fourth anniversary of the toppling of the Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad as a chance to highlight the regret of a man who used a sledgehammer to destroy the pedestal. After starting her story with anti-U.S. protests inspired by Moqtada al-Sadr, ABC's Hilary Brown, presumably referring to ABC's March poll of Iraqis, asserted that “the appalling bloodshed has turned most Iraqis -- 78 percent -- against the occupation. Thirty-six percent now say that life is worse than it ever was under the dictator.” She proceeded to focus on how “one Iraqi in particular remembers, and now regrets, that iconic moment four years ago when the huge statute of Saddam Hussein was toppled.” Brown relayed how Khadim Yabani “says 'but now I just feel regret because nothing has improved.' That's why he says it would have been better that Saddam had never been overthrown.” On the CBS Evening News, Martin Seemungal, before he highlighted Yabani, at least acknowledged that “in some places, like in the southern city of Basra, people were out celebrating the anniversary.”

Meanwhile, ABC's World News led with Diane Sawyer in Afghanistan where she suggested misplaced priorities as she pointed out that “on this anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, the leaders here note the U.S. has spent some four-times the amount in Iraq, per person, as in the place the fight against terrorism started.” Sawyer reminded Afghan President Hamid Karzai of how “you have said if the U.S. had given Afghanistan what it spent in Iraq, it would be like 'heaven' here. Did the U.S. give too little? In your view?" Karzai refused to take Sawyer's bait, responding: “We are grateful to the American people, to the taxpayers, for having helped Afghanistan, in a big way.”

http://newsbusters.org/node/11934

How is this reporting "not supporting" the troops?

What's the deal....if you report facts you don't support the troops?

Maybe you're confused RSR. Maybe you haven't learned that there's a BIG difference between supporting the troops and stubbornly supporting your president and his failed policies that have in reality, abandoned our troops.

 

[red states rule]

The liberal media will always look for bad news and will usually ignore the good news

 

[maineman]

hey...RSR..will you EVER admit that your assertions that AMericans have seen a 60% reductions in casualties is a lie?

 

[red states rule]

hey...RSR..will you EVER admit that your assertions that AMericans have seen a 60% reductions in casualties is a lie?

The surge is working. Why else would Dems now retract their threat to cut off funding?

Bad news for you and the terrorists - good news for the troops

 

[maineman]

hey...RSR..will you EVER admit that your assertions that AMericans have seen a 60% reductions in casualties is a lie?

keep running, you pussy.

 

[red states rule]

keep running, you pussy.

keep sprewing insults - that is all you can really do when you lose

 

[maineman]

keep sprewing insults - that is all you can really do when you lose

LOSE???? WHat the fuck are you talking about? I have handed you your ASS on this silly 60% decrease in casualties and I will continue to rub your nose in it until you have the grace to just admit that you've misspoken.

The "SURGE" is "working" in Baghdad because we have pumped a bunch of troops into a confined urban area. If one were to flood NYC with 28THOUSAND more policemen, it would not be unexpected that crime would drop within that area. The FACT is, that the insurgents have merely taken their show on the road and the killing of Iraqis and Americans has not decreased one bit when one steps back and looks at the entire country.

April is shaping up to be the bloodiest and deadliest month of the entire war for Americans and you continue to avoid retracting your idiotic statement that Americans have seen a 60& decrease in casualties.

 

[red states rule]

LOSE???? WHat the fuck are you talking about? I have handed you your ASS on this silly 60% decrease in casualties and I will continue to rub your nose in it until you have the grace to just admit that you've misspoken.

The "SURGE" is "working" in Baghdad because we have pumped a bunch of troops into a confined urban area. If one were to flood NYC with 28THOUSAND more policemen, it would not be unexpected that crime would drop within that area. The FACT is, that the insurgents have merely taken their show on the road and the killing of Iraqis and Americans has not decreased one bit when one steps back and looks at the entire country.

April is shaping up to be the bloodiest and deadliest month of the entire war for Americans and you continue to avoid retracting your idiotic statement that Americans have seen a 60& decrease in casualties.

Only in your mind

 

[maineman]

so...are you standing by your statement that America has experienced a 60%decrease in casualties in Iraq because of the surge?

can you provide any proof of that beyond the one single month old news release?

 

[red states rule]

NBC Hypes 'Tough Times' for GOP With Out-of-Touch Analysis of McCain's War Stance
Posted by Geoffrey Dickens on April 9, 2007 - 10:56.
Whatever Andrea Mitchell has it seems to be catching. Repeatedly, NBC's Mitchell has claimed John McCain's declining support in the polls has to do with his pro-war stance, a stance that quite frankly isn't unpopular within the GOP base. Well on this morning's 'Today' show her colleague David Gregory, in a piece about low Republican morale, claimed the very same thing. Gregory claimed: "John McCain has lost ground in the polls because of his support for the Iraq war."

Now any GOP insider could tell them McCain's support for the war is one of the key stances that is keeping McCain afloat with the base of the party. One has to wonder if Mitchell and Gregory are just having the same conversation with themselves and coming to the same inaccurate conclusions.

The following is the full segment as it aired on the April 9th Today show:

Matt Lauer: "Now to Decision 2008. The Republicans call their party the GOP, it stands for the Grand Old Party but many of the faithful are not feeling too grand these days. NBC's chief White House correspondent David Gregory has more on that story. David, good morning to you."

[On screen headline: "Curbed Enthusiasm, Tough Times For the GOP."]

David Gregory: "Good morning, Matt. It's true. From the White House to the campaign trail this is a difficult time to be a Republican, even as the '08 candidates jockey for advantage one GOP operative says of the party faithful, there is a quote, 'morale deficit.' With the country at war in Iraq, an unpopular president and a GOP presidential field outperformed by the Democrats in the money primary Republicans are in desperate search of a turnaround."

Byron York, The National Review: "With the exception of two successful Supreme Court nominations, for Republicans things have been all downhill since the 2004 election. Katrina and then Iraq, Iraq, Iraq."

Gregory: "The party's top contenders for the White House in '08 have been knocked off their stride with polls showing a majority of Republicans dissatisfied with their choices for president. John McCain has lost ground in the polls because of his support for the Iraq war. He made matters worse during a recent trip to Iraq suggesting that Baghdad had become safe enough to walk around, a claim undermined by pictures of heavy security accompanying the Arizona senator to a local market. In an interview with 60 Minutes, Sunday, McCain admitted it was an overstatement."

Sen. John McCain: "Of course I'm gonna, I'm gonna misspeak and I've done it on numerous occasions and I probably will in the future. I regret that."

Rudolph Giuliani: "I feel I made a mistake in recommending Bernie Kerik to the President."

Gregory: "Though still the frontrunner Rudy Giuliani has seen questions about his relationship to embattled former New York police chief Bernard Kerik as well as criticism about his views on social issues affect his standing. Mitt Romney had a strong showing in the money primary hauling in $20 million only to see that overshadowed by a campaign claim-"

Mitt Romney: "I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter, pretty much all my life."

Gregory: "-that turned out to be untrue."

Romney: "I'm not a big game hunter."

Gregory: "His campaign said he had been hunting only twice."

Gregory: "For months Republicans have been in foul mood. A poll from the Pew Research Center found that only 35 percent of Americans consider themselves Republicans while 50 percent identify with the Democrats. Five years ago the parties were even with 43 percent. And in campaign '08's first quarter fundraising drive Democrats out-raised Republicans $80 million to $50 million."

Rich Galen, Republican strategist: "Well I think the fundraising reports, as one indication, show clearly that Democrats are more excited about what's coming down the pike than Republicans seem to be at this exact moment."

Gregory: "If there is a chance for GOP unity White House officials hope it will come around the issue of funding for the war in Iraq. The President has said that Democrats who want to end the war with a deadline for troop withdrawal are short-changing U.S. forces. Matt."

http://newsbusters.org/node/11922

 

[maineman]

American casualties:

Jan 07 83
Feb 07 80
Mar 07 81
Apr 07 45 in nine days


1. Are those figures, as verified by the DoD accurate?

2. If not, please post the accurate ones and show your source

3. If they are accurate, please explain your math that leads to a 60% decrease.