Obama just lied again about pipeline

[Care4all]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

 

[BluesLegend]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

If I wanted to be particularly mean to you libs I would point out how roads and bridges encourage people to drive cars burning fossil fuels accelerating climate change, why does Obama hate the environment?

 

[Programmer]

Just let me put this in crayon.

Does this mean that the pipeline's built already? Mostly, anyways?

 

[BULLDOG]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

If I wanted to be particularly mean to you libs I would point out how roads and bridges encourage people to drive cars burning fossil fuels accelerating climate change, why does Obama hate the environment?

And you would sound like an idiot.

 

[BluesLegend]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

If I wanted to be particularly mean to you libs I would point out how roads and bridges encourage people to drive cars burning fossil fuels accelerating climate change, why does Obama hate the environment?

And you would sound like an idiot.

Look who's talking, I have read your posts.

 

[BULLDOG]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

If I wanted to be particularly mean to you libs I would point out how roads and bridges encourage people to drive cars burning fossil fuels accelerating climate change, why does Obama hate the environment?

And you would sound like an idiot.

Look who's talking, I have read your posts.

Good for you. I knew you would be able to do that eventually.

 

[Stephanie]

whoa, shocker. Obama lied again.

he cares about them jobs alright and if we have the energy we need to run our lives. SURE HE DOES.

he's bought off by the billionaires , Steyer, Soros and BUFFET

 

[Delta4Embassy]

He said it wouldn't benefit the United States. Let's see if the msm vets him about this lie. Doubt it.

"When considering the domestically-produced petroleum products that this pipeline would introduce into the American economy, as well as the new employment opportunities created by the pipeline and the increased profits accrued by American firms as a result of its operation, it’s clear that Keystone would have a measurable positive impact on the American economy.

“The White House declined to provide an on-the-record defense of the president’s statement,” Kessler concluded. “That certainly suggests officials are unwilling to make a public case contradicting the State Department findings.” He dubbed Obama’s statement a willfully misleading “whopper” by giving it an ignominious four Pinocchios."

WaPo: Obama is lying to you about Keystone « Hot Air

Found it interesting during the coverage about this yesterday when they mentioned 'the oil's still coming, except instead of the pipeline it'll come by tanker trucks and railcars.' Dunno the stats but I'm assuming transport of oil through a pipe is a lot safer than on roads?

 

[FA_Q2]

He said it wouldn't benefit the United States. Let's see if the msm vets him about this lie. Doubt it.

"When considering the domestically-produced petroleum products that this pipeline would introduce into the American economy, as well as the new employment opportunities created by the pipeline and the increased profits accrued by American firms as a result of its operation, it’s clear that Keystone would have a measurable positive impact on the American economy.

“The White House declined to provide an on-the-record defense of the president’s statement,” Kessler concluded. “That certainly suggests officials are unwilling to make a public case contradicting the State Department findings.” He dubbed Obama’s statement a willfully misleading “whopper” by giving it an ignominious four Pinocchios."

WaPo: Obama is lying to you about Keystone « Hot Air

Analyses have long been done on the XL proposal, and the findings were very clear:

-The XL would divert oil away from the mid-west region to the Gulf, to be sold internationally, resulting in higher pump prices in the heartland of the country.

-These higher pump prices would most likely result in increased consumer prices on many goods, due to higher transportation costs, with the ultimately likely result being lost jobs

-The jobs lost would be greater than jobs created by the XL

You will need to cite that then as it makes no sense whatsoever. Where the oil is 'diverted' to is irrelevant to a commodity like oil. The availability of oil anywhere effects the international price.

Further, that oil is going to market. That is a fact. The real question is weather we want it to travel on rail or pipeline. The sad fact is that refusing to build the pipeline is harmful to the environment rather than better as that same oil will travel over more harmful routs (and take more energy in doing so as well). There is no reason whatsoever aside from political posturing to continue and block the pipeline from being built.

 

[Care4all]

He said it wouldn't benefit the United States. Let's see if the msm vets him about this lie. Doubt it.

"When considering the domestically-produced petroleum products that this pipeline would introduce into the American economy, as well as the new employment opportunities created by the pipeline and the increased profits accrued by American firms as a result of its operation, it’s clear that Keystone would have a measurable positive impact on the American economy.

“The White House declined to provide an on-the-record defense of the president’s statement,” Kessler concluded. “That certainly suggests officials are unwilling to make a public case contradicting the State Department findings.” He dubbed Obama’s statement a willfully misleading “whopper” by giving it an ignominious four Pinocchios."

WaPo: Obama is lying to you about Keystone « Hot Air

This op article is from 8 MONTHS AGO, is this when he "lied AGAIN", 8 months ago?????

 

[tinydancer]

Just let me put this in crayon.

Does this mean that the pipeline's built already? Mostly, anyways?

Yes. It's been delivering crude to the gulf since 2014.This is all a bizarro game over the XL addition that would help out the US Bakken fields to get their oil to market.

Check this out. Senator Heitkamp lays out why this extension would help North Dakota.

Sep 19 2013
Heitkamp Calls on President to Approve Keystone XL Pipeline on Five Year Anniversary of Project Application
In a Letter to the President, Senator Outlines her recent Trip to the Canadian Oil Sands & How it Reinforced the Need for the Project
WASHINGTON, D.C. – On the five year anniversary of the application for the Keystone XL pipeline, U.S. Senator Heidi Heitkamp today called on President Obama to recognize the project is in the United States’ national interest and approve it.

In a letter to the President, Heitkamp explained how her trip last month to view development of the Canadian oil sands reinforced how crucial the pipeline is to the U.S. During the trip, she met with stakeholders in the extraction, production, and transportation industries, and discussed with Canadian officials their efforts to minimize the pipeline’s impact on the environment.

“It’s disappointing we’re at this point where five years later we still don’t have an answer on the Keystone XL pipeline,” said Senator Heitkamp. “Just last month, I visited the oil sands in Canada and it only reinforced how critical the Keystone XL pipeline would be to North Dakota and the U.S. To my knowledge, no senior members of the Administration have visited the oil sands. But, in order to make an informed decision about this project, such a trip is needed to see the technology firsthand, clarify many of the issues the Administration thinks it may have with the project, and fully realize the responsible impact it could have on the U.S.

“It’s in our economic, national security, and energy interests to approve this pipeline from our neighbor and ally as we continue to build an all-of-the-above energy strategy that could lead us toward North American energy independence. This project needs to be approved.”

http://www.heitkamp.senate.gov/publ...-five-year-anniversary-of-project-application

 

[tinydancer]

Now the oil is coming by rail and this is nightmarish to me as a conservationist,,,,,,,by barge. I really believe that pipelines are the safest way to transport crude. It's a matter of picking your poison.

 

[tinydancer]

He said it wouldn't benefit the United States. Let's see if the msm vets him about this lie. Doubt it.

"When considering the domestically-produced petroleum products that this pipeline would introduce into the American economy, as well as the new employment opportunities created by the pipeline and the increased profits accrued by American firms as a result of its operation, it’s clear that Keystone would have a measurable positive impact on the American economy.

“The White House declined to provide an on-the-record defense of the president’s statement,” Kessler concluded. “That certainly suggests officials are unwilling to make a public case contradicting the State Department findings.” He dubbed Obama’s statement a willfully misleading “whopper” by giving it an ignominious four Pinocchios."

WaPo: Obama is lying to you about Keystone « Hot Air

Found it interesting during the coverage about this yesterday when they mentioned 'the oil's still coming, except instead of the pipeline it'll come by tanker trucks and railcars.' Dunno the stats but I'm assuming transport of oil through a pipe is a lot safer than on roads?

It truly is a matter of trying to find the safest way to ship the crude. Rail and transport trucks that travel thru populated areas pose a greater threat than a pipeline imho. And now using barges. Aye carumba!

With production on the rise, oil-by-barge traffic sets off greater safety concerns
Athabasca on the Mississippi

Up to five times a week, a train 100 cars long and brimming with heavy oil slows to a halt in the yard of Gateway Terminals, a rail-to-barge transfer station located on the edge of the Mississippi River in St. Louis, Missouri. Each train can carry up to 60,000 barrels of the viscous product, which needs to be heated before it is piped into one of four 98,000-barrel storage tanks located on site. From there the oil is loaded into the shallow hauls of river barges, each destined for heavy oil refineries in Texas and Louisiana. In a good week, the terminal can transfer 350,000 barrels of oil into the slow-moving, flat-bottomed vessels.

It is therefore unlikely, says Paul Topping, a regulator with Transport Canada, that crude oil will ever be tugged across the Great Lakes in a single-haul vessel.
It’s a fairly straightforward business. The throughput at Gateway Terminals, in terms of volume, hasn’t changed much in six years of operation. But there has been one subtle adjustment. Up until mid-2013, the company transferred ethanol onto barges, but the terminal has since been converted to accept a more lucrative commodity: oil sands bitumen.

“We are targeting the Canadian barrel. That’s the business that we’re looking at,” says Marshall Bockman, the vice-president of Gateway Terminals LLC, the operator of the terminal. On March 24, 2014, the company announced it had sent out its second-ever barge shipment of bitumen since converting from ethanol to heavy crude. Gateway, says Bockman, is now purchasing a fifth 98,000-barrel tank to expand its storage capacity

More at link

With production on the rise, oil-by-barge traffic sets off greater safety concerns

 

[tinydancer]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

Well if pipelines are so bad and so evil how did Enbridge manage to get a permit to build the Alberta Clipper and Southern Lights? Oh and latest statistics have it that 12000 miles of pipelines have been built since 2010.

This is all bullshit from Obama. All total and utter bullshit.

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America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010 — and nobody said anything

America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010 — and nobody said anything

 

[Care4all]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

Well if pipelines are so bad and so evil how did Enbridge manage to get a permit to build the Alberta Clipper and Southern Lights? Oh and latest statistics have it that 12000 miles of pipelines have been built since 2010.

This is all bullshit from Obama. All total and utter bullshit.

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America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010 — and nobody said anything

America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010 — and nobody said anything

Did the pipeline cross over critical aquifers?

 

[Wildman]

That's about the extent of your mental ability...

you fucking idiot, T.D. is trying to educate you and the other idiots with a picture, due to the fact you can not read plain English..,

so......., dirtbag!!

 

[healthmyths]

If Canada is committed to Keystone it will be built in Canada. Let the attendant pollution be their problem and the 35 jobs, well they can keep them.

The Exxon Valdez WAS OUR problem...
FACT which I just understand why environmentalists are so intent on risking 365 million barrels a year traveling by 365 tankers traveling this area...
David Mosley, public affairs specialist for the U.S. Coast Guard in Alaska, says that the thousands of ships that already navigate its waters each year face "winter hurricanes" with 40-foot seas and 100-knot winds that appear with little advanced notice.
In a typical year, at least one ship gets into trouble.
"A vessel will have some sort of mechanical or physical issue that then puts them at the mercy of the weather and the waves."
The Dangers of Not Building Keystone XL

So why are people so anxious to ship via tankers 365 million barrels in an area that has at least one ship a year get in trouble!

 

[Geaux4it]

Union: Obama threw workers 'under the bus' in Keystone decision

“But facts apparently mean as little to the president as the construction jobs he repeatedly derided as insignificant because they are ‘temporary,’ ” O’Sullivan said. “Ironically, the very temporary nature of the president’s own job seems to be fueling a legacy of doing permanent harm to middle- and working class families.”

Union: Obama threw workers 'under the bus' in Keystone decision

 

[Geaux4it]

Where is Matthew?

We need out infrastructure

-Geaux

 

[healthmyths]

Oh for fucks sake...Obama says we should build bridges instead of the Keystone pipeline citing Keystone will only create a few full time jobs. Fine, how many people does a bridge employ after its built? And there you have the blatantly dishonest nature of this clowns argument. You won't see the ass sniffing MSM point this out to him.

oh bull crap.... building that bridge, is a bridge that every citizen of the future, in that region, can cross safely every day for at least the next 75 years on their way to and from work, those repaired bridges allows safe commerce and trade on goods for the next 75 years too.... that means jobs jobs and jobs.

Long term jobs are not only created with a strong and safe infrastructure, but existing jobs are saved as well....

Well if pipelines are so bad and so evil how did Enbridge manage to get a permit to build the Alberta Clipper and Southern Lights? Oh and latest statistics have it that 12000 miles of pipelines have been built since 2010.

This is all bullshit from Obama. All total and utter bullshit.

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America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010 — and nobody said anything

America has built the equivalent of 10 Keystone pipelines since 2010 — and nobody said anything

Did the pipeline cross over critical aquifers?

YES there are !
Experts on the Ogallala Aquifer that says even though 20,000 miles of pipe cross Ogallala now, Keystone will be in less then 20% of the aquifer.
http://www.themoreyoudig.com/2012/0...ny-pipelines-that-cross-the-ogallala-aquifer/

Oh and as far as the Ogallala damages...
have an EXPERT Hydrologist with 40 years studying Ogallala opinion one I far more respect then any laymen's opinion!

"Hydrology is the study of the movement, distribution, and quality of water on Earth and other planets, including the hydrologic cycle, water resources and environmental watershed sustainability."
James Goeke an expert i.e. HYDROLOGIST who LIVES in the Ogallala Aquifer area.
Mr. Goeke said...“A lot of people in the debate about the pipeline talk about how leakage would foul the water and ruin the entire water supply in the state of Nebraska and that’s just a false,” he said.
His explanation is simple. Seventy-five to 80 percent of the aquifer lies west of the proposed pipeline route.
This was 1970 and James Goeke had just joined the team at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln’s Conservation and Survey Division where he still works as a hydrologist. He never would have guessed it, but someday he would own a chunk of western Nebraska and cherish it as much as any person could. Scattered around the state are close to 6,000 holes each about 5 inches in diameter drilled to the base of the Ogallala Aquifer.
During the 1970s, Goeke drilled about 1,000 of those holes in the deepest part of the aquifer.
He said TransCanada could answer every question and was honest and forthcoming. That didn’t immediately quiet all his reluctance, so he continued his research until he came to a conclusion: The Keystone XL pipeline is not a serious threat to the Ogallala Aquifer.