Obamacare lead story on CNN

[francoHFW]

...slowdown in healthcare spending increases...

Just look at that. That's the confirmation of the bait-and-switch I warned about right there.

Look at those words. "...slowdown in healthcare SPENDING INCREASES..."

In other words, costs are still climbing. The liberals couch the increases in a lot of smoke. And like it or not, ObamaCare was front loaded with tax increases for four years before it launched the subsidies.

What we are seeing now are the real time costs. And they are catastrophic. And for the states, they will get even more catastrophic in 2019.

During the ObamaCare debates before its passage, one of the chief arguments made by the pro-Obamacare rubes was that we have the highest per capita spending on healthcare in the developed world.

It was heavily implied that health care costs would GO DOWN. It was NEVER said there would be a "slowdown in spending increases".

This has been one of the biggest boondoggle bait-and-switch cons ever pulled on the American people. If you read the ACA, it is screamingly obvious this was all a con.

For instance, employer-sponsored health insurance is one of the biggest drivers of increased costs. So what does ObamaCare do? It MORE DEEPLY EMBEDS IT. It was a huge gift to labor unions, a key component of Obama's base.

That right there tells you this had NOTHING to do with reducing healthcare spending.

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

The Pubs unanimously voted against the bill, but its failure is their fault?

Huh?

If it worked, would they get credit?

They and their crony insurers are sabotaging it....

 

[AntonToo]

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

Nonsense. Republicans are being correctly blamed for obstructing progress.

You can't just pass one bill and fix everything in a system as complex as healthcare, it is but a first step forward.

Why is the Clinton News Network CNN leading each program with the Obamacare rate hikes as the lead story? I thought the MSM was rigged and in the tank for Clinton. How does this make sense?

Because useful idiots always figure out what is happening after it's too late to do anything about it.

Then the commies execute them.

Are you drunk?

She must be.

 

[Freewill]

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

Nonsense. Republicans are being correctly blamed for obstructing progress.

Why is the Clinton News Network CNN leading each program with the Obamacare rate hikes as the lead story? I thought the MSM was rigged and in the tank for Clinton. How does this make sense?

Because useful idiots always figure out what is happening after it's too late to do anything about it.

Then the commies execute them.

Are you drunk?

She must be.

Obstructing what exactly? Specifically what?

 

[Freewill]

...slowdown in healthcare spending increases...

Just look at that. That's the confirmation of the bait-and-switch I warned about right there.

Look at those words. "...slowdown in healthcare SPENDING INCREASES..."

In other words, costs are still climbing. The liberals couch the increases in a lot of smoke. And like it or not, ObamaCare was front loaded with tax increases for four years before it launched the subsidies.

What we are seeing now are the real time costs. And they are catastrophic. And for the states, they will get even more catastrophic in 2019.

During the ObamaCare debates before its passage, one of the chief arguments made by the pro-Obamacare rubes was that we have the highest per capita spending on healthcare in the developed world.

It was heavily implied that health care costs would GO DOWN. It was NEVER said there would be a "slowdown in spending increases".

This has been one of the biggest boondoggle bait-and-switch cons ever pulled on the American people. If you read the ACA, it is screamingly obvious this was all a con.

For instance, employer-sponsored health insurance is one of the biggest drivers of increased costs. So what does ObamaCare do? It MORE DEEPLY EMBEDS IT. It was a huge gift to labor unions, a key component of Obama's base.

That right there tells you this had NOTHING to do with reducing healthcare spending.

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

The Pubs unanimously voted against the bill, but its failure is their fault?

Huh?

If it worked, would they get credit?

They and their crony insurers are sabotaging it....

Exactly, specifically, how are Republicans sabotaging Obamacare? Obama and the SCOTUS changes the law at will so I don't see how anyone but them can receive blame for what is happening.

 

[AntonToo]

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

Nonsense. Republicans are being correctly blamed for obstructing progress.

Why is the Clinton News Network CNN leading each program with the Obamacare rate hikes as the lead story? I thought the MSM was rigged and in the tank for Clinton. How does this make sense?

Because useful idiots always figure out what is happening after it's too late to do anything about it.

Then the commies execute them.

Are you drunk?

She must be.

Obstructing what exactly? Specifically what?

They are too busy holding meaningless repeal votes (over 60 by now) to meaningfully work with Democrats to fix the shortcomings.

 

[AntonToo]

Exactly, specifically, how are Republicans sabotaging Obamacare?

On sabotage specifically:

1. Constant falsehood spreading about the law, undermining public support.

2. Suing to repeal compulsory Medicaid expansion in states

3. Suing cost sharing provisions
GOP Blocks ObamaCare Cost Sharing for 7 Million in Courts - Obamacare Facts

4. Getting rid of Independent Payment Advisory Board law has setup.

etc. etc. etc.

Here is the comprehensive timetable through 2014

https://thinkprogress.org/blow-by-b...tle-to-kill-obamacare-5dd069a5518a#.tzxof85u3

 

[Rustic]

You have no idea why the banana republic is, this federal government pays debt with more debt and that debt with printed paper.
Anyone with any common sense knows that Obama care/single player cannot be paid for, it's far too expensive. It just adds to the debt that is dominated by socialist entitlement programs.

All those other modern countries manage health care at half the price, with better outcomes and life span. Watch out, Big Heath and Pharma. lol. You're a total dupe of Big Money. Helloooo?!?

No, I just don't expect other people to pay for my shit…

Guess what. You are going to be miserable in America until the day you die because what you want will never happen.

Ever. That, in a very very small way, adds to my happiness.

I do just fine, I pay for my own shit I've been debt-free for almost 20 years i sleep good at night because I don't ask for shit.

If you don't have health care, you're an irresponsible freeloader.

Socialism is freeloading

 

[Rustic]

The biggest problem with healthcare is cost. A simple screw, to repair a fracture, cab cost a $1000, and thats simply the cost billed for the screw, let alone the surgeon, anesthia and anesthethia specialists (often in the room for 15 minutes, billed at a grand for said time), nurses, etc. Many hospitals use various kits (suture kits, endo kits, cardio kits, on and on it goes) of which certain surgeons prefer buts and pieces of each. The unused portions go in the garbage, and guess who gets billed? All these kits are obscenely marked up, and there hasnt been downward pressure for years, because Insurance Cos dont care, theyll get theirs. Health care providers dont care because theyll get theirs, Govt doesnt care because theyre getting theirs from lobbies, and most people are too stupid to care or simply dont realise the costs they are being billed for.

That is the biggest, and most obscene problem with health care today. Ill be generous and say that previously mentioned screw costs $20 to manufacture (id lean towards 5 being generous). That would be a 5000% mark up.

Then we have prescriptions, and the kickbacks prescribers recieve. Anyone living in a state with an "opiate epidemic," has nobody but the govt and Doctors/Physicians to blame. The pills that lead to all this are controlled substances, requiring a prescription to obtain. Why a doctor is not able to check and see what scripts a patient has been prescribed in the last year, hell, 2 months, is absurd. Big pharma has deep pockets, and that gravy train wont be stopped any time soon.

EDIT:
My wife is an RN, and has to bill these charges to each patient/coverage provider.

Frivolous lawsuits, union and insurance companies are the reason why healthcare is so expensive. Progressives are to thank for that… Fact

So people recieving the wrong procedure, or who have items left in them by surgeons, should not be able to pursue compensation?

Unions typically protect nurses, who put their livelyhood on the line (it is their license on the line, NOT the surgeons) every time they are in a room. While they do not reward young, very talented nurses, the old contracts of the past decades have hamstrung numerous facilities of late. For instance, my wife is many times the onky person scheduled, sometimes called in, because the old guard is incompetent, and they refuse to take the offered buyouts, and the hospital "hires from within," consolidating the would be layoffs into the ER.

Insurance companies play a secondary role. The wild wild west attitude rampant among healthcare providers and their suppliers, with no economic downward pressure, is a result of nobody paying attention to what is really going on, this includes the public at large and the govt. The whole thing is eerily similar to the pre bubble burst in the real estate/mortgage market.

This isnt a progressive/GOP discussion, simply a major economic system run amok.

I lean to the right, if you care.

Reasonable compensation, but there's nothing reasonable about the federal government and they're supposed to healthcare

 

[Rustic]

The operative words in your post are "health care related tax burden".
You are so entitlement minded, you have no concept of what fiscal conservatism is. Not a clue.

There should be NO "health care related tax burden" to pay for the healthcare of healthy Americans!

I'm all for supporting those with catastrophic illnesses or injuries, and I'm all for supporting our elders.

Everyone else should be paying their own freight. Period. They should be picking up the phone and calling any insurance company they wish, and buying whatever health insurance coverage they wish.

Just like they do with auto, life, and home insurance.

They need to be freed from the hostage-taking entitlement heads like yourself.

Isn't that how it was before Obamacare? Were you happy with that system?

Of course I was happy with the system before Obamacare, there was no fucking mandate... lol

Good for you... many many Americans where not happy with it and the corruption and abuse in the healthcare industry was running out of control. Something had to be done. Obamacare was it. I think it achieved success on a coverage level but needs a lot of work with the financials.

Why drag everyone else until the bullshit? Millions of Americans want nothing to do with that fucking corrupt piece of legislation. They should've just made it out as an "opt in" we would not be having these fucked up government control issues on the subject then.

It's all based on majority votes dude. Speak out against it till your tongue bleeds but it's how our system works

If it went to a popular vote it would never pass…

 

[francoHFW]

...slowdown in healthcare spending increases...

Just look at that. That's the confirmation of the bait-and-switch I warned about right there.

Look at those words. "...slowdown in healthcare SPENDING INCREASES..."

In other words, costs are still climbing. The liberals couch the increases in a lot of smoke. And like it or not, ObamaCare was front loaded with tax increases for four years before it launched the subsidies.

What we are seeing now are the real time costs. And they are catastrophic. And for the states, they will get even more catastrophic in 2019.

During the ObamaCare debates before its passage, one of the chief arguments made by the pro-Obamacare rubes was that we have the highest per capita spending on healthcare in the developed world.

It was heavily implied that health care costs would GO DOWN. It was NEVER said there would be a "slowdown in spending increases".

This has been one of the biggest boondoggle bait-and-switch cons ever pulled on the American people. If you read the ACA, it is screamingly obvious this was all a con.

For instance, employer-sponsored health insurance is one of the biggest drivers of increased costs. So what does ObamaCare do? It MORE DEEPLY EMBEDS IT. It was a huge gift to labor unions, a key component of Obama's base.

That right there tells you this had NOTHING to do with reducing healthcare spending.

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

The Pubs unanimously voted against the bill, but its failure is their fault?

Huh?

If it worked, would they get credit?

They and their crony insurers are sabotaging it....

Exactly, specifically, how are Republicans sabotaging Obamacare? Obama and the SCOTUS changes the law at will so I don't see how anyone but them can receive blame for what is happening.

A) Not allowing Medicaid in red states.
B) Mainly no exchanges in red states, colluding with insurers to stay out of competition. Transparency not their talent.
C) Nonstop fear mongering bs propaganda
gop sabotage of o-care - Google Search

 

[francoHFW]

A Blueprint for the GOP’s Attempt to Sabotage Obamacare

 

[Slade3200]

Isn't that how it was before Obamacare? Were you happy with that system?

Of course I was happy with the system before Obamacare, there was no fucking mandate... lol

Good for you... many many Americans where not happy with it and the corruption and abuse in the healthcare industry was running out of control. Something had to be done. Obamacare was it. I think it achieved success on a coverage level but needs a lot of work with the financials.

Why drag everyone else until the bullshit? Millions of Americans want nothing to do with that fucking corrupt piece of legislation. They should've just made it out as an "opt in" we would not be having these fucked up government control issues on the subject then.

It's all based on majority votes dude. Speak out against it till your tongue bleeds but it's how our system works

If it went to a popular vote it would never pass…

I'm not talking about a popular vote for the ACA. We vote for our Reps... our Reps propose and vote for laws. PoliSci 101

 

[Rustic]

Of course I was happy with the system before Obamacare, there was no fucking mandate... lol

Good for you... many many Americans where not happy with it and the corruption and abuse in the healthcare industry was running out of control. Something had to be done. Obamacare was it. I think it achieved success on a coverage level but needs a lot of work with the financials.

Why drag everyone else until the bullshit? Millions of Americans want nothing to do with that fucking corrupt piece of legislation. They should've just made it out as an "opt in" we would not be having these fucked up government control issues on the subject then.

It's all based on majority votes dude. Speak out against it till your tongue bleeds but it's how our system works

If it went to a popular vote it would never pass…

I'm not talking about a popular vote for the ACA. We vote for our Reps... our Reps propose and vote for laws. PoliSci 101

That's obvious, I'm just saying most Americans would not vote for such a thing... lol

 

[AntonToo]

Good for you... many many Americans where not happy with it and the corruption and abuse in the healthcare industry was running out of control. Something had to be done. Obamacare was it. I think it achieved success on a coverage level but needs a lot of work with the financials.

Why drag everyone else until the bullshit? Millions of Americans want nothing to do with that fucking corrupt piece of legislation. They should've just made it out as an "opt in" we would not be having these fucked up government control issues on the subject then.

It's all based on majority votes dude. Speak out against it till your tongue bleeds but it's how our system works

If it went to a popular vote it would never pass…

I'm not talking about a popular vote for the ACA. We vote for our Reps... our Reps propose and vote for laws. PoliSci 101

That's obvious, I'm just saying most Americans would not vote for such a thing... lol

And how would you know that?...lol

How would you know what "most Americans" would vote for if they took some time to familiarize themselves with the law, what it does and why?

 

[Slade3200]

Why drag everyone else until the bullshit? Millions of Americans want nothing to do with that fucking corrupt piece of legislation. They should've just made it out as an "opt in" we would not be having these fucked up government control issues on the subject then.

It's all based on majority votes dude. Speak out against it till your tongue bleeds but it's how our system works

If it went to a popular vote it would never pass…

I'm not talking about a popular vote for the ACA. We vote for our Reps... our Reps propose and vote for laws. PoliSci 101

That's obvious, I'm just saying most Americans would not vote for such a thing... lol

And how would you know that?...lol

How would you know what "most Americans" would vote for if they took some time to familiarize themselves with the law, what it does and why?

He doesn't know... just like he likely said that most Americans wouldn't vote for Obama over the past two elections and most Americans wouldnt vote for Hillary this election. There may just be a pattern here

 

[Freewill]

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

Nonsense. Republicans are being correctly blamed for obstructing progress.

Why is the Clinton News Network CNN leading each program with the Obamacare rate hikes as the lead story? I thought the MSM was rigged and in the tank for Clinton. How does this make sense?

Because useful idiots always figure out what is happening after it's too late to do anything about it.

Then the commies execute them.

Are you drunk?

She must be.

Obstructing what exactly? Specifically what?

They are too busy holding meaningless repeal votes (over 60 by now) to meaningfully work with Democrats to fix the shortcomings.

Really? You are now saying that a completely democrat boondoggle needs fixed by Republicans? The democrats showed no interest in working with Republicans when they passed the thing in the dead of night. They DID build it, they need to take responsibility for what they have put onto American workers. The non-workers don't care.

 

[Freewill]

...slowdown in healthcare spending increases...

Just look at that. That's the confirmation of the bait-and-switch I warned about right there.

Look at those words. "...slowdown in healthcare SPENDING INCREASES..."

In other words, costs are still climbing. The liberals couch the increases in a lot of smoke. And like it or not, ObamaCare was front loaded with tax increases for four years before it launched the subsidies.

What we are seeing now are the real time costs. And they are catastrophic. And for the states, they will get even more catastrophic in 2019.

During the ObamaCare debates before its passage, one of the chief arguments made by the pro-Obamacare rubes was that we have the highest per capita spending on healthcare in the developed world.

It was heavily implied that health care costs would GO DOWN. It was NEVER said there would be a "slowdown in spending increases".

This has been one of the biggest boondoggle bait-and-switch cons ever pulled on the American people. If you read the ACA, it is screamingly obvious this was all a con.

For instance, employer-sponsored health insurance is one of the biggest drivers of increased costs. So what does ObamaCare do? It MORE DEEPLY EMBEDS IT. It was a huge gift to labor unions, a key component of Obama's base.

That right there tells you this had NOTHING to do with reducing healthcare spending.

The Dems are literally blaming the Republicans for Obamacare failing. Not one Republican in Congress voted for Obamacare. You just can't make this crap up.

The Pubs unanimously voted against the bill, but its failure is their fault?

Huh?

If it worked, would they get credit?

They and their crony insurers are sabotaging it....

Exactly, specifically, how are Republicans sabotaging Obamacare? Obama and the SCOTUS changes the law at will so I don't see how anyone but them can receive blame for what is happening.

A) Not allowing Medicaid in red states.
B) Mainly no exchanges in red states, colluding with insurers to stay out of competition. Transparency not their talent.
C) Nonstop fear mongering bs propaganda
gop sabotage of o-care - Google Search

How does any of those cause the price to increase?

How about how the drug companies made a deal with Obama for their support? Think that might have more of an effect? Having medicaid just shifts the cost it doesn't improve service nor reduce cost. Besides, medicaid is in all states. What you mean is they didn't let more onto medicaid so the states would have to pay.

 

[Freewill]

Exactly, specifically, how are Republicans sabotaging Obamacare?

On sabotage specifically:

1. Constant falsehood spreading about the law, undermining public support.

2. Suing to repeal compulsory Medicaid expansion in states

3. Suing cost sharing provisions
GOP Blocks ObamaCare Cost Sharing for 7 Million in Courts - Obamacare Facts

4. Getting rid of Independent Payment Advisory Board law has setup.

etc. etc. etc.

Here is the comprehensive timetable through 2014

https://thinkprogress.org/blow-by-b...tle-to-kill-obamacare-5dd069a5518a#.tzxof85u3

How are those alone causing the cost to escalate?

The biggest reason it is escalating is that there are far more people who are sicker than what Obama predicted. Plus when given something for free people tend to over use it. Of course those obvious answers you don't want to hear.

 

[Rustic]

Why drag everyone else until the bullshit? Millions of Americans want nothing to do with that fucking corrupt piece of legislation. They should've just made it out as an "opt in" we would not be having these fucked up government control issues on the subject then.

It's all based on majority votes dude. Speak out against it till your tongue bleeds but it's how our system works

If it went to a popular vote it would never pass…

I'm not talking about a popular vote for the ACA. We vote for our Reps... our Reps propose and vote for laws. PoliSci 101

That's obvious, I'm just saying most Americans would not vote for such a thing... lol

And how would you know that?...lol

How would you know what "most Americans" would vote for if they took some time to familiarize themselves with the law, what it does and why?

Obamacare is fraudulent

 

[AntonToo]

Exactly, specifically, how are Republicans sabotaging Obamacare?

On sabotage specifically:

1. Constant falsehood spreading about the law, undermining public support.

2. Suing to repeal compulsory Medicaid expansion in states

3. Suing cost sharing provisions
GOP Blocks ObamaCare Cost Sharing for 7 Million in Courts - Obamacare Facts

4. Getting rid of Independent Payment Advisory Board law has setup.

etc. etc. etc.

Here is the comprehensive timetable through 2014

https://thinkprogress.org/blow-by-b...tle-to-kill-obamacare-5dd069a5518a#.tzxof85u3

How are those alone causing the cost to escalate?

The biggest reason it is escalating is that there are far more people who are sicker than what Obama predicted. Plus when given something for free people tend to over use it. Of course those obvious answers you don't want to hear.

No one said those alone are causing increased costs, stop making things up.

And what over-use? How do you over-use health insurance? Break your leg on purpose? Go for extra check ups? Lol.

There were people that held off getting treated due to lack of insurance. Obamacare allowing them to get covered seemed to have released some of pent up demand for healthcare. But if that's true the effect should be temporary and insurance companies that stick it out now will be over-performing a few years from now.

It's all based on majority votes dude. Speak out against it till your tongue bleeds but it's how our system works

If it went to a popular vote it would never pass…

I'm not talking about a popular vote for the ACA. We vote for our Reps... our Reps propose and vote for laws. PoliSci 101

That's obvious, I'm just saying most Americans would not vote for such a thing... lol

And how would you know that?...lol

How would you know what "most Americans" would vote for if they took some time to familiarize themselves with the law, what it does and why?

Obamacare is fraudulent

Rustic is retarded.