ObamaCare Lives

[Rustic]

Good one. Obamacare is dying under its own weight.

New data from eHealth shows average individual(Obamacare) health insurance premiums have increased 99% since 2013. Over the same time period, family premiums have increased 140%.

How Much Does Obamacare Cost in 2017? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

It was an ideological victory for the Democrats and a disaster for America. Much simpler fixes were available for the problems with health care, but they wouldn't have packed the political punch of the Obamacare scam.

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Funny thing is conservatives are not enrolled in Obamacare... Because it is not mandated.
The only people that want it are progressives

They are enrolled in Obamacare if they are receiving employer sponsored health insurance. Obamacare mandates what quality of health insurance their employer must provide to them.

That's nearly 100 million people!

Man, you really need to stop posting and exposing just how deep your ignorance is!

Employers will find loopholes to get out of the ship and already have...
100 million conservatives are not enrolled... lol

Oh, okay. Out of the 100 million or so people covered by ESHI, none of them are conservatives. All righty!

We all still have to pay for the Obamacare subsidies.

We all still have to pay for the Obamacare health exchanges.

We all still have to pay for the various departments, councils, committees, and agencies created by Obamacare.

Employers are still forced to pay for the health insurance of their employees.

But you go ahead and tell yourself the non-enforcement of the individual mandate means Obamacare is dead or you have some big victory.


It's like you idiots BEG to be deceived!

No wonder Trump and the party leaders could not resist taking advantage of you.

lol
The vast majority of people enrolled are progressives if not all...
Like I said let it fail on its own they cannot be sustained there is not enough money anywhere.
Employers will downsize or higher automation or figure something else out, Entrepreneurs are very good at ingenuity.
But then again I know you’re a big government type a guy…

 

[toomuchtime_]

Obama's signature achievement is safe for at least another two years.

Trump never had the intention nor ability to erase Obama's legacy.

I well remember Obama and his "I have a pen and a phone". And I well remember how mad that made the pseudocons and their propagandists.

All Trump has been able to erase is what Obama signed with his pen unilaterally. And Trump's successor will do the same to Trump's EOs.

Meanwhile, the one thing Obama achieved of import will survive.

All because in eight fucking years, the Republicans have not been able to puke up a replacement for ObamaCare. All because in eight fucking years, it never occurred to the rubes to demand one. All because they never asked Trump for his "beautiful" replacement and his plan for "such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost".

The collective stupidity of pseudocons aided and abetted the survival of this pile of shit.

So you're stuck with ObamaCare, rubes. That's the real outcome of this election.

Enjoy Obamacare. You EARNED it.

Good one. Obamacare is dying under its own weight.

New data from eHealth shows average individual(Obamacare) health insurance premiums have increased 99% since 2013. Over the same time period, family premiums have increased 140%.

How Much Does Obamacare Cost in 2017? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

It was an ideological victory for the Democrats and a disaster for America. Much simpler fixes were available for the problems with health care, but they wouldn't have packed the political punch of the Obamacare scam.

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Again, Obamacare is dying. Trump tried to replace it before the full disaster was felt by the American people, but the Republicans are just as crazy an ideologically bent on this issue, so no politically viable solution was reached. As more insurance companies drop out of more markets because they are not profitable and more people drop their health insurance because they cannot afford the high premiums and deductibles, we will have a real healthcare crisis, not the made up one that led to the Obamacare scam.

Yeah, keep telling yourself Obamacare is dying.

Man, you people are seriously delusional! No wonder you continue to be so easily hoaxed.

Medicaid Expansion Passes in Three Red States

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

 

[Crixus]

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Funny thing is conservatives are not enrolled in Obamacare... Because it is not mandated.
The only people that want it are progressives

They are enrolled in Obamacare if they are receiving employer sponsored health insurance. Obamacare mandates what quality of health insurance their employer must provide to them.

That's nearly 100 million people!

Man, you really need to stop posting and exposing just how deep your ignorance is!

Employers will find loopholes to get out of the ship and already have...
100 million conservatives are not enrolled... lol

Oh, okay. Out of the 100 million or so people covered by ESHI, none of them are conservatives. All righty!

We all still have to pay for the Obamacare subsidies.

We all still have to pay for the Obamacare health exchanges.

We all still have to pay for the various departments, councils, committees, and agencies created by Obamacare.

Employers are still forced to pay for the health insurance of their employees.

But you go ahead and tell yourself the non-enforcement of the individual mandate means Obamacare is dead or you have some big victory.


It's like you idiots BEG to be deceived!

No wonder Trump and the party leaders could not resist taking advantage of you.

lol
The vast majority of people enrolled are progressives if not all...
Like I said let it fail on its own they cannot be sustained there is not enough money anywhere.
Employers will downsize or higher automation or figure something else out, Entrepreneurs are very good at ingenuity.
But then again I know you’re a big government type a guy…

More like the illegal’s from the south. No democrat who works for a living are on token negro care. It made everything more expensive. Hell, simple stomach meds pre ocare cost $15.00. Now? $240. Co pays? Used to be $10.00. After Ocare? $80.00. The DNC has made the insurance companies billions.

 

[g5000]

Obama's signature achievement is safe for at least another two years.

Trump never had the intention nor ability to erase Obama's legacy.

I well remember Obama and his "I have a pen and a phone". And I well remember how mad that made the pseudocons and their propagandists.

All Trump has been able to erase is what Obama signed with his pen unilaterally. And Trump's successor will do the same to Trump's EOs.

Meanwhile, the one thing Obama achieved of import will survive.

All because in eight fucking years, the Republicans have not been able to puke up a replacement for ObamaCare. All because in eight fucking years, it never occurred to the rubes to demand one. All because they never asked Trump for his "beautiful" replacement and his plan for "such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost".

The collective stupidity of pseudocons aided and abetted the survival of this pile of shit.

So you're stuck with ObamaCare, rubes. That's the real outcome of this election.

Enjoy Obamacare. You EARNED it.

Good one. Obamacare is dying under its own weight.

New data from eHealth shows average individual(Obamacare) health insurance premiums have increased 99% since 2013. Over the same time period, family premiums have increased 140%.

How Much Does Obamacare Cost in 2017? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

It was an ideological victory for the Democrats and a disaster for America. Much simpler fixes were available for the problems with health care, but they wouldn't have packed the political punch of the Obamacare scam.

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Again, Obamacare is dying. Trump tried to replace it before the full disaster was felt by the American people, but the Republicans are just as crazy an ideologically bent on this issue, so no politically viable solution was reached. As more insurance companies drop out of more markets because they are not profitable and more people drop their health insurance because they cannot afford the high premiums and deductibles, we will have a real healthcare crisis, not the made up one that led to the Obamacare scam.

Yeah, keep telling yourself Obamacare is dying.

Man, you people are seriously delusional! No wonder you continue to be so easily hoaxed.

Medicaid Expansion Passes in Three Red States

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

 

[Crixus]

Good one. Obamacare is dying under its own weight.

New data from eHealth shows average individual(Obamacare) health insurance premiums have increased 99% since 2013. Over the same time period, family premiums have increased 140%.

How Much Does Obamacare Cost in 2017? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

It was an ideological victory for the Democrats and a disaster for America. Much simpler fixes were available for the problems with health care, but they wouldn't have packed the political punch of the Obamacare scam.

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Again, Obamacare is dying. Trump tried to replace it before the full disaster was felt by the American people, but the Republicans are just as crazy an ideologically bent on this issue, so no politically viable solution was reached. As more insurance companies drop out of more markets because they are not profitable and more people drop their health insurance because they cannot afford the high premiums and deductibles, we will have a real healthcare crisis, not the made up one that led to the Obamacare scam.

Yeah, keep telling yourself Obamacare is dying.

Man, you people are seriously delusional! No wonder you continue to be so easily hoaxed.

Medicaid Expansion Passes in Three Red States

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

Bull shit. Further proof you don’t have a job or pay bills, and that you have never had to enroll. All it did was make employer offered plan cost more and cover less medication.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Good one. Obamacare is dying under its own weight.

New data from eHealth shows average individual(Obamacare) health insurance premiums have increased 99% since 2013. Over the same time period, family premiums have increased 140%.

How Much Does Obamacare Cost in 2017? - eHealth Insurance Resource Center

It was an ideological victory for the Democrats and a disaster for America. Much simpler fixes were available for the problems with health care, but they wouldn't have packed the political punch of the Obamacare scam.

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Again, Obamacare is dying. Trump tried to replace it before the full disaster was felt by the American people, but the Republicans are just as crazy an ideologically bent on this issue, so no politically viable solution was reached. As more insurance companies drop out of more markets because they are not profitable and more people drop their health insurance because they cannot afford the high premiums and deductibles, we will have a real healthcare crisis, not the made up one that led to the Obamacare scam.

Yeah, keep telling yourself Obamacare is dying.

Man, you people are seriously delusional! No wonder you continue to be so easily hoaxed.

Medicaid Expansion Passes in Three Red States

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

In other words, you have nothing to say and are proud of it.

 

[g5000]

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Again, Obamacare is dying. Trump tried to replace it before the full disaster was felt by the American people, but the Republicans are just as crazy an ideologically bent on this issue, so no politically viable solution was reached. As more insurance companies drop out of more markets because they are not profitable and more people drop their health insurance because they cannot afford the high premiums and deductibles, we will have a real healthcare crisis, not the made up one that led to the Obamacare scam.

Yeah, keep telling yourself Obamacare is dying.

Man, you people are seriously delusional! No wonder you continue to be so easily hoaxed.

Medicaid Expansion Passes in Three Red States

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

In other words, you have nothing to say and are proud of it.

Oh, I've said plenty.

Read the topic.

I have posted many dozens of times on this forum what we need to do to reform health care with LESS government involvement.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Again, Obamacare is dying. Trump tried to replace it before the full disaster was felt by the American people, but the Republicans are just as crazy an ideologically bent on this issue, so no politically viable solution was reached. As more insurance companies drop out of more markets because they are not profitable and more people drop their health insurance because they cannot afford the high premiums and deductibles, we will have a real healthcare crisis, not the made up one that led to the Obamacare scam.

Yeah, keep telling yourself Obamacare is dying.

Man, you people are seriously delusional! No wonder you continue to be so easily hoaxed.

Medicaid Expansion Passes in Three Red States

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

In other words, you have nothing to say and are proud of it.

Oh, I've said plenty.

Read the topic.

I have posted many dozens of times on this forum what we need to do to reform health care with LESS government involvement.

No, you've posted a lot, but you've said nothing.

 

[g5000]

Yeah, keep telling yourself Obamacare is dying.

Man, you people are seriously delusional! No wonder you continue to be so easily hoaxed.

Medicaid Expansion Passes in Three Red States

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

In other words, you have nothing to say and are proud of it.

Oh, I've said plenty.

Read the topic.

I have posted many dozens of times on this forum what we need to do to reform health care with LESS government involvement.

No, you've posted a lot, but you've said nothing.

You've clearly read nothing. Typical laziness.

See post 74.

 

[toomuchtime_]

As the federal government's share of the cost of the Medicaid expansion shrinks, so will the numbers the states will be able to afford to support on it. Most Americans already had their health insurance from their employers before the Obamacare scam and it was the individual market that was mostly the target of the Democrats, however, Obamacare has managed to raise the premiums and deductibles for both groups almost to the point of making health insurance unaffordable for average Americans. The problem is, as it was, that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can slip off their ideological blinders long enough to take a fresh look at the problems that will be left.

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

In other words, you have nothing to say and are proud of it.

Oh, I've said plenty.

Read the topic.

I have posted many dozens of times on this forum what we need to do to reform health care with LESS government involvement.

No, you've posted a lot, but you've said nothing.

You've clearly read nothing. Typical laziness.

The only reason you post so many insults is that you have nothing else to say.

 

[g5000]

You live in a state, yes?

As the Obamacare Medicaid burden shifts from the federal government to your state, will that affect your tax burden to pay for that shit less...or more...or the same?

The Obamacare employer mandate not only forces employers to provide insurance, it also mandates the quality of insurance employers must provide. Some day, the government might decide your employer insurance should cover prolonged willful stupidity in the face of massive hoaxes. It may require coverage for repeated drinking of propagandist's piss.

We can all hope.

In other words, you have nothing to say and are proud of it.

Oh, I've said plenty.

Read the topic.

I have posted many dozens of times on this forum what we need to do to reform health care with LESS government involvement.

No, you've posted a lot, but you've said nothing.

You've clearly read nothing. Typical laziness.

The only reason you post so many insults is that you have nothing else to say.

Okay, fucktard. Here you go. Let me know if you need more to fill that pointy head of yours.

1. Lower the tax rates, broaden the tax base. We do this simply by eliminating tax expenditures. Tax expenditures are gifts to special interests that are paid for by higher tax rates on everyone and heavy borrowing. We are mortgaging our future so special interests can steal more money from us.

2. Increase the retirement age to 70, and index to 9 percent of the population going forward. We are living DECADES longer than our ancestors who established SS, we should be working longer. Common fricking sense.

These two things alone would give us such a ridiculous surplus, we could balance the budget, lower tax rates for EVERYONE, and pay down the debt. All at the same time.

And it would give us instant campaign finance reform. If we banned Congress from putting tax expenditures in the tax code, the special interests would lose the incentive to bribe Congressmen to do so. Again, common fricking sense.

Well, in the case of health care, government is the problem. We need LESS government in health care. So the Right should be offering a solution to health care which involves less government. Instead, they offer NOTHING.

So to throw up one's hands and offer NOTHING means we will end up with the Democrats' Plan A. And then the Democrats' Plan B. And so on.

The more government has become involved in the health care market, the more expensive health care has become.

Meanwhile, despite cars getting more and more expensive, and thus auto repair getting more expensive, the cost of auto insurance has decreased.

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto insurance.

We need LESS government in health insurance, not more!

Unlike all other insurance, the government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. Even worse, the government gets to write the rules which binds the hands of its private sector competitors.

That's the X factor driving up costs.

We need LESS government in health care. Not more. Definitely not more.

Unfortunately, what I would like to see and what will actually happen are wildly different, which sows confusion among the pseudocons whenever I have entered into topics about ObamaCare and health care reform.

They haven't caught on they have been sold down the river by the Republicans.

Here's the smart way to fix health care:

1. We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our home, auto, and life insurance. I should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and buy the insurance I want. This way, I have maximum leverage since I can hang up if I am not satisfied and call any one of a constellation of competitors, just like I do now with my home, auto, and life insurance.

2. We need to eliminate employer sponsored health insurance (ESHI). ESHI is one of the biggest drivers of increasing health care costs. Also, employees are completely hostage to their employer's insurance. There is no negotiation. It is a take it or leave it proposition from a single insurer. And if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. And you don't get new insurance until you have been in your new job for up to six months. With my home, auto, and life insurance, I get bundle discounts and long term customer discounts.

We can easily disincentivize ESHI by eliminating the tax exemption we currently have for ESHI.

3. We need LESS government in health care, not more. The government is the biggest market entity in the health insurance market, and it gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors. This is not the case in the auto, home, and life insurance markets, where prices have been DROPPING.

4. The idiot liberals have demanded more and more government takeover of health care. When you concentrate power in one place, you make it easier to capture. The liberals have NEVER learned this lesson. In every aspect of our lives, they have continually repeated this insanity over and over and over and over. And then when that centralized power gets captured by corrupt special interests, the liberals demand we solve the problem with MORE government takeover.

Unbelievable.

The GOP should have put a plan on the table along these lines:

1. Raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70, and then index it to 9 percent of the population. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer.

2. Get government OUT of the healthcare business as much as possible. It is completely fucked up the government is in the healthcare business AND gets to write the rules affecting its private sector competitors.

3. Eliminate the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. Employer-sponsored health insurance bends the cost of healthcare up, and it should be discouraged as much as possible.


I should be buying my health insurance the same way I buy my auto, home, and life insurance. If I lose my job, I don't automatically lose my auto, home, or life insurance.

 

[g5000]

I just said more in one post than Trump has ever said about exactly how to reform health care.

And yet the rubes STILL have not caught on they have been hoaxed.

 

[idb]

Obama's signature achievement is safe for at least another two years.

Trump never had the intention nor ability to erase Obama's legacy.

I well remember Obama and his "I have a pen and a phone". And I well remember how mad that made the pseudocons and their propagandists.

All Trump has been able to erase is what Obama signed with his pen unilaterally. And Trump's successor will do the same to Trump's EOs.

Meanwhile, the one thing Obama achieved of import will survive.

All because in eight fucking years, the Republicans have not been able to puke up a replacement for ObamaCare. All because in eight fucking years, it never occurred to the rubes to demand one. All because they never asked Trump for his "beautiful" replacement and his plan for "such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost".

The collective stupidity of pseudocons aided and abetted the survival of this pile of shit.

So you're stuck with ObamaCare, rubes. That's the real outcome of this election.

Enjoy Obamacare. You EARNED it.

Didn't the Republicans campaign on maintaining Obamacare?

 

[toomuchtime_]

In other words, you have nothing to say and are proud of it.

Oh, I've said plenty.

Read the topic.

I have posted many dozens of times on this forum what we need to do to reform health care with LESS government involvement.

No, you've posted a lot, but you've said nothing.

You've clearly read nothing. Typical laziness.

The only reason you post so many insults is that you have nothing else to say.

Okay, fucktard. Here you go. Let me know if you need more to fill that pointy head of yours.

1. Lower the tax rates, broaden the tax base. We do this simply by eliminating tax expenditures. Tax expenditures are gifts to special interests that are paid for by higher tax rates on everyone and heavy borrowing. We are mortgaging our future so special interests can steal more money from us.

2. Increase the retirement age to 70, and index to 9 percent of the population going forward. We are living DECADES longer than our ancestors who established SS, we should be working longer. Common fricking sense.

These two things alone would give us such a ridiculous surplus, we could balance the budget, lower tax rates for EVERYONE, and pay down the debt. All at the same time.

And it would give us instant campaign finance reform. If we banned Congress from putting tax expenditures in the tax code, the special interests would lose the incentive to bribe Congressmen to do so. Again, common fricking sense.

Well, in the case of health care, government is the problem. We need LESS government in health care. So the Right should be offering a solution to health care which involves less government. Instead, they offer NOTHING.

So to throw up one's hands and offer NOTHING means we will end up with the Democrats' Plan A. And then the Democrats' Plan B. And so on.

The more government has become involved in the health care market, the more expensive health care has become.

Meanwhile, despite cars getting more and more expensive, and thus auto repair getting more expensive, the cost of auto insurance has decreased.

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto insurance.

We need LESS government in health insurance, not more!

Unlike all other insurance, the government is the biggest player in the health insurance market. Even worse, the government gets to write the rules which binds the hands of its private sector competitors.

That's the X factor driving up costs.

We need LESS government in health care. Not more. Definitely not more.

Unfortunately, what I would like to see and what will actually happen are wildly different, which sows confusion among the pseudocons whenever I have entered into topics about ObamaCare and health care reform.

They haven't caught on they have been sold down the river by the Republicans.

Here's the smart way to fix health care:

1. We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our home, auto, and life insurance. I should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country and buy the insurance I want. This way, I have maximum leverage since I can hang up if I am not satisfied and call any one of a constellation of competitors, just like I do now with my home, auto, and life insurance.

2. We need to eliminate employer sponsored health insurance (ESHI). ESHI is one of the biggest drivers of increasing health care costs. Also, employees are completely hostage to their employer's insurance. There is no negotiation. It is a take it or leave it proposition from a single insurer. And if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. And you don't get new insurance until you have been in your new job for up to six months. With my home, auto, and life insurance, I get bundle discounts and long term customer discounts.

We can easily disincentivize ESHI by eliminating the tax exemption we currently have for ESHI.

3. We need LESS government in health care, not more. The government is the biggest market entity in the health insurance market, and it gets to write the rules for its private sector competitors. This is not the case in the auto, home, and life insurance markets, where prices have been DROPPING.

4. The idiot liberals have demanded more and more government takeover of health care. When you concentrate power in one place, you make it easier to capture. The liberals have NEVER learned this lesson. In every aspect of our lives, they have continually repeated this insanity over and over and over and over. And then when that centralized power gets captured by corrupt special interests, the liberals demand we solve the problem with MORE government takeover.

Unbelievable.

The GOP should have put a plan on the table along these lines:

1. Raise the Medicare eligibility age to 70, and then index it to 9 percent of the population. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer.

2. Get government OUT of the healthcare business as much as possible. It is completely fucked up the government is in the healthcare business AND gets to write the rules affecting its private sector competitors.

3. Eliminate the tax exemption for employer-sponsored health insurance. Employer-sponsored health insurance bends the cost of healthcare up, and it should be discouraged as much as possible.


I should be buying my health insurance the same way I buy my auto, home, and life insurance. If I lose my job, I don't automatically lose my auto, home, or life insurance.

Again, you say nothing but that you want less government and in support of that bias, you post another insult. Your posts might be more interesting if you thought about specific fixes for the things you think should be fixed instead of just talking in ideological generalities and relying always on personal insults to support your biases.

 

[debbiedowner]

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[debbiedowner]

Obama's signature achievement is safe for at least another two years.

Trump never had the intention nor ability to erase Obama's legacy.

I well remember Obama and his "I have a pen and a phone". And I well remember how mad that made the pseudocons and their propagandists.

All Trump has been able to erase is what Obama signed with his pen unilaterally. And Trump's successor will do the same to Trump's EOs.

Meanwhile, the one thing Obama achieved of import will survive.

All because in eight fucking years, the Republicans have not been able to puke up a replacement for ObamaCare. All because in eight fucking years, it never occurred to the rubes to demand one. All because they never asked Trump for his "beautiful" replacement and his plan for "such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost".

The collective stupidity of pseudocons aided and abetted the survival of this pile of shit.

So you're stuck with ObamaCare, rubes. That's the real outcome of this election.

Enjoy Obamacare. You EARNED it.

As long as it has no mandate I don’t give two shits about Obamacare...
Just like millions of other conservatives

Which is exactly why Obamacare lives. You deserve it.

I don’t have to deal with it, because it’s not mandated

Don't believe it ever was for a 100% tribal member.

 

[debbiedowner]

When will you realize any type of socialize medicine will never be a benefit to any conservatives it’s a a progressive socialist entitlement program... Made to benefit only progressives

Oh, I know very well how bad socialized medicine is. That's why I am so pissed at you dumb fucks for helping to keep Obamacare alive!

Your persistent stupidity and willful ignorance makes single payer inevitable.

The federal government needs to stay out of peoples personal lives… Healthcare is none of the federal government business.
I have no right to healthcare… But I do have a right to earn my healthcare.
People need to pay for their own shit and I expect other people to pay for their shit

They are watching you right now and ever since you've been on the internet and with you probably before.

 

[debbiedowner]

As I have been saying.

Thanks to rubes like yourself, Obamacare lives.

You DESERVE Obamacare.

Funny thing is conservatives are not enrolled in Obamacare... Because it is not mandated.
The only people that want it are progressives

They are enrolled in Obamacare if they are receiving employer sponsored health insurance. Obamacare mandates what quality of health insurance their employer must provide to them.

That's nearly 100 million people!

Man, you really need to stop posting and exposing just how deep your ignorance is!

Employers will find loopholes to get out of the ship and already have...
100 million conservatives are not enrolled... lol

Oh, okay. Out of the 100 million or so people covered by ESHI, none of them are conservatives. All righty!

We all still have to pay for the Obamacare subsidies.

We all still have to pay for the Obamacare health exchanges.

We all still have to pay for the various departments, councils, committees, and agencies created by Obamacare.

Employers are still forced to pay for the health insurance of their employees.

But you go ahead and tell yourself the non-enforcement of the individual mandate means Obamacare is dead or you have some big victory.


It's like you idiots BEG to be deceived!

No wonder Trump and the party leaders could not resist taking advantage of you.

lol
The vast majority of people enrolled are progressives if not all...
Like I said let it fail on its own they cannot be sustained there is not enough money anywhere.
Employers will downsize or higher automation or figure something else out, Entrepreneurs are very good at ingenuity.
But then again I know you’re a big government type a guy…

I'd say it's about equal.

 

[Rustic]

I just said more in one post than Trump has ever said about exactly how to reform health care.

And yet the rubes STILL have not caught on they have been hoaxed.

Conservatives don’t need any healthcare socialist entitlement programs

 

[Rustic]

Obama's signature achievement is safe for at least another two years.

Trump never had the intention nor ability to erase Obama's legacy.

I well remember Obama and his "I have a pen and a phone". And I well remember how mad that made the pseudocons and their propagandists.

All Trump has been able to erase is what Obama signed with his pen unilaterally. And Trump's successor will do the same to Trump's EOs.

Meanwhile, the one thing Obama achieved of import will survive.

All because in eight fucking years, the Republicans have not been able to puke up a replacement for ObamaCare. All because in eight fucking years, it never occurred to the rubes to demand one. All because they never asked Trump for his "beautiful" replacement and his plan for "such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost".

The collective stupidity of pseudocons aided and abetted the survival of this pile of shit.

So you're stuck with ObamaCare, rubes. That's the real outcome of this election.

Enjoy Obamacare. You EARNED it.

Didn't the Republicans campaign on maintaining Obamacare?

It’s an opt in, as it should be