Open Minded Agnostic Atheist

[ding]

#christianlivesmatter

 

[BreezeWood]

Say you work or perhaps own a business and must pay taxes (real estate, income, SS, Medicare, etc) like the vast majority do. Now explain how you aren't paying more to support those getting tax breaks? And how that's supposed to be funny? Say some super rich asshole starts a foundation, sticks their money in there along with other rich people's, then spends it building new wings on some Ivy League college dorms, helping the local symphony orchestra, and buying new uniforms for some baseball teams. Supposedly due to "charity" they avoid paying taxes coming and going, plus get to spend the money that would normally have gone to state coffers pretty much as they please including self-advertising like crazy. Yeah, having our billionaires and major religious establishments making tons of big decisions for us on our dime every day is hilarious. Democracy at its finest.

The Church doesn't receive tax payer funds. You are trying very hard to make it seem like they do. I find it funny that you feel the need to do so. Where's your sense of humor?

You don’t think churches got money when everyone else got money?

i thought I made too much but even I got $950. I’m just gonna put mine in the stock market.

No. I think the schools did.

I know my church took out a loan. They sent out a letter asking the members of it was ok. $150k and they have a year to pay it back. So basically they asked the suckers if they would pay off his $15k a month low interest loan. Of course the suckers said yes.

So besides what everyone mailed in when church wasn’t open, he’s finding a way to get more money.

im sure the priest and you will justify but all I say is what a racket.

Karl Marx had the exact same opinion about churches. You are in excellent company.

Last week I was a Nazi now I’m groucho marx.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

Does that help?

Hands up! Don't shoot.

I would never hurt a good Christian muslims Jew. Are you kidding? Most of the people I love are Christians muslims and jews you dope.

i nearly feel sorry for them and think their stupidity is holding us back.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

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the example has already been made and repeated throughout history ...

View attachment 350403

bing's freedom and liberty, aka - religious supremacy.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

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pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river, bing

 

[ding]

Say you work or perhaps own a business and must pay taxes (real estate, income, SS, Medicare, etc) like the vast majority do. Now explain how you aren't paying more to support those getting tax breaks? And how that's supposed to be funny? Say some super rich asshole starts a foundation, sticks their money in there along with other rich people's, then spends it building new wings on some Ivy League college dorms, helping the local symphony orchestra, and buying new uniforms for some baseball teams. Supposedly due to "charity" they avoid paying taxes coming and going, plus get to spend the money that would normally have gone to state coffers pretty much as they please including self-advertising like crazy. Yeah, having our billionaires and major religious establishments making tons of big decisions for us on our dime every day is hilarious. Democracy at its finest.

The Church doesn't receive tax payer funds. You are trying very hard to make it seem like they do. I find it funny that you feel the need to do so. Where's your sense of humor?

You don’t think churches got money when everyone else got money?

i thought I made too much but even I got $950. I’m just gonna put mine in the stock market.

No. I think the schools did.

I know my church took out a loan. They sent out a letter asking the members of it was ok. $150k and they have a year to pay it back. So basically they asked the suckers if they would pay off his $15k a month low interest loan. Of course the suckers said yes.

So besides what everyone mailed in when church wasn’t open, he’s finding a way to get more money.

im sure the priest and you will justify but all I say is what a racket.

Karl Marx had the exact same opinion about churches. You are in excellent company.

Last week I was a Nazi now I’m groucho marx.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

Does that help?

Hands up! Don't shoot.

I would never hurt a good Christian muslims Jew. Are you kidding? Most of the people I love are Christians muslims and jews you dope.

i nearly feel sorry for them and think their stupidity is holding us back.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

.
the example has already been made and repeated throughout history ...

View attachment 350403

bing's freedom and liberty, aka - religious supremacy.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

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pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river, bing

Why didn't you answer the question?

When was that exactly?

 

[BreezeWood]

#christianlivesmatter

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sure they do -

for bing ...

 

[BreezeWood]

Say you work or perhaps own a business and must pay taxes (real estate, income, SS, Medicare, etc) like the vast majority do. Now explain how you aren't paying more to support those getting tax breaks? And how that's supposed to be funny? Say some super rich asshole starts a foundation, sticks their money in there along with other rich people's, then spends it building new wings on some Ivy League college dorms, helping the local symphony orchestra, and buying new uniforms for some baseball teams. Supposedly due to "charity" they avoid paying taxes coming and going, plus get to spend the money that would normally have gone to state coffers pretty much as they please including self-advertising like crazy. Yeah, having our billionaires and major religious establishments making tons of big decisions for us on our dime every day is hilarious. Democracy at its finest.

The Church doesn't receive tax payer funds. You are trying very hard to make it seem like they do. I find it funny that you feel the need to do so. Where's your sense of humor?

You don’t think churches got money when everyone else got money?

i thought I made too much but even I got $950. I’m just gonna put mine in the stock market.

No. I think the schools did.

I know my church took out a loan. They sent out a letter asking the members of it was ok. $150k and they have a year to pay it back. So basically they asked the suckers if they would pay off his $15k a month low interest loan. Of course the suckers said yes.

So besides what everyone mailed in when church wasn’t open, he’s finding a way to get more money.

im sure the priest and you will justify but all I say is what a racket.

Karl Marx had the exact same opinion about churches. You are in excellent company.

Last week I was a Nazi now I’m groucho marx.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

Does that help?

Hands up! Don't shoot.

I would never hurt a good Christian muslims Jew. Are you kidding? Most of the people I love are Christians muslims and jews you dope.

i nearly feel sorry for them and think their stupidity is holding us back.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

.
the example has already been made and repeated throughout history ...

View attachment 350403

bing's freedom and liberty, aka - religious supremacy.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

.
pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river, bing

Why didn't you answer the question?

When was that exactly?

When was that exactly?

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every century since the 4th ...

 

[ding]

Say you work or perhaps own a business and must pay taxes (real estate, income, SS, Medicare, etc) like the vast majority do. Now explain how you aren't paying more to support those getting tax breaks? And how that's supposed to be funny? Say some super rich asshole starts a foundation, sticks their money in there along with other rich people's, then spends it building new wings on some Ivy League college dorms, helping the local symphony orchestra, and buying new uniforms for some baseball teams. Supposedly due to "charity" they avoid paying taxes coming and going, plus get to spend the money that would normally have gone to state coffers pretty much as they please including self-advertising like crazy. Yeah, having our billionaires and major religious establishments making tons of big decisions for us on our dime every day is hilarious. Democracy at its finest.

The Church doesn't receive tax payer funds. You are trying very hard to make it seem like they do. I find it funny that you feel the need to do so. Where's your sense of humor?

You don’t think churches got money when everyone else got money?

i thought I made too much but even I got $950. I’m just gonna put mine in the stock market.

No. I think the schools did.

I know my church took out a loan. They sent out a letter asking the members of it was ok. $150k and they have a year to pay it back. So basically they asked the suckers if they would pay off his $15k a month low interest loan. Of course the suckers said yes.

So besides what everyone mailed in when church wasn’t open, he’s finding a way to get more money.

im sure the priest and you will justify but all I say is what a racket.

Karl Marx had the exact same opinion about churches. You are in excellent company.

Last week I was a Nazi now I’m groucho marx.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

Does that help?

Hands up! Don't shoot.

I would never hurt a good Christian muslims Jew. Are you kidding? Most of the people I love are Christians muslims and jews you dope.

i nearly feel sorry for them and think their stupidity is holding us back.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

.
the example has already been made and repeated throughout history ...

View attachment 350403

bing's freedom and liberty, aka - religious supremacy.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

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pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river, bing

Is this why militant atheists like yourself did this?


"...The vast majority of people in the Russian empire were, at the time of the revolution, religious believers, whereas the communists aimed to break the power of all religious institutions and eventually replace religious belief with atheism. "Science" was counterposed to "religious superstition" in the media and in academic writing. The main religions of pre-revolutionary Russia persisted throughout the entire Soviet period, but they were only tolerated within certain limits. Generally, this meant that believers were free to worship in private and in their respective religious buildings (churches, mosques, synagogues etc.), but public displays of religion outside of such designations were prohibited. In addition, religious institutions were not allowed to express their views in any type of mass media, and many religious buildings were demolished or used for other purposes. In the long run state atheism failed to convert many people. Religion strengthened underground and was revived to help fight the Second World War. It flourished after the fall of Communism. As Paul Froese explains:

Atheists waged a 70-year war on religious belief in the Soviet Union. The Communist Party destroyed churches, mosques, and temples; it executed religious leaders; it flooded the schools and media with anti-religious propaganda; and it introduced a belief system called “scientific atheism,” complete with atheist rituals, proselytizers, and a promise of worldly salvation. But in the end, a majority of older Soviet citizens retained their religious beliefs and a crop of citizens too young to have experienced pre-Soviet times acquired religious beliefs...."

Religion in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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[ding]

#christianlivesmatter

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sure they do -

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for bing ...

Those were Christian Democrats responsible for that who were defeated by Christian Republicans. Just thought you might want to know the facts.

 

[ding]

Say you work or perhaps own a business and must pay taxes (real estate, income, SS, Medicare, etc) like the vast majority do. Now explain how you aren't paying more to support those getting tax breaks? And how that's supposed to be funny? Say some super rich asshole starts a foundation, sticks their money in there along with other rich people's, then spends it building new wings on some Ivy League college dorms, helping the local symphony orchestra, and buying new uniforms for some baseball teams. Supposedly due to "charity" they avoid paying taxes coming and going, plus get to spend the money that would normally have gone to state coffers pretty much as they please including self-advertising like crazy. Yeah, having our billionaires and major religious establishments making tons of big decisions for us on our dime every day is hilarious. Democracy at its finest.

The Church doesn't receive tax payer funds. You are trying very hard to make it seem like they do. I find it funny that you feel the need to do so. Where's your sense of humor?

You don’t think churches got money when everyone else got money?

i thought I made too much but even I got $950. I’m just gonna put mine in the stock market.

No. I think the schools did.

I know my church took out a loan. They sent out a letter asking the members of it was ok. $150k and they have a year to pay it back. So basically they asked the suckers if they would pay off his $15k a month low interest loan. Of course the suckers said yes.

So besides what everyone mailed in when church wasn’t open, he’s finding a way to get more money.

im sure the priest and you will justify but all I say is what a racket.

Karl Marx had the exact same opinion about churches. You are in excellent company.

Last week I was a Nazi now I’m groucho marx.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

Does that help?

Hands up! Don't shoot.

I would never hurt a good Christian muslims Jew. Are you kidding? Most of the people I love are Christians muslims and jews you dope.

i nearly feel sorry for them and think their stupidity is holding us back.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

.
the example has already been made and repeated throughout history ...

View attachment 350403

bing's freedom and liberty, aka - religious supremacy.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

.
pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river, bing

Why didn't you answer the question?

When was that exactly?

When was that exactly?

.
every century since the 4th ...

Really? So what happened in this century?

Would you like to round up Christians and punish them?

 

[ding]

Say you work or perhaps own a business and must pay taxes (real estate, income, SS, Medicare, etc) like the vast majority do. Now explain how you aren't paying more to support those getting tax breaks? And how that's supposed to be funny? Say some super rich asshole starts a foundation, sticks their money in there along with other rich people's, then spends it building new wings on some Ivy League college dorms, helping the local symphony orchestra, and buying new uniforms for some baseball teams. Supposedly due to "charity" they avoid paying taxes coming and going, plus get to spend the money that would normally have gone to state coffers pretty much as they please including self-advertising like crazy. Yeah, having our billionaires and major religious establishments making tons of big decisions for us on our dime every day is hilarious. Democracy at its finest.

The Church doesn't receive tax payer funds. You are trying very hard to make it seem like they do. I find it funny that you feel the need to do so. Where's your sense of humor?

You don’t think churches got money when everyone else got money?

i thought I made too much but even I got $950. I’m just gonna put mine in the stock market.

No. I think the schools did.

I know my church took out a loan. They sent out a letter asking the members of it was ok. $150k and they have a year to pay it back. So basically they asked the suckers if they would pay off his $15k a month low interest loan. Of course the suckers said yes.

So besides what everyone mailed in when church wasn’t open, he’s finding a way to get more money.

im sure the priest and you will justify but all I say is what a racket.

Karl Marx had the exact same opinion about churches. You are in excellent company.

Last week I was a Nazi now I’m groucho marx.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

Does that help?

Hands up! Don't shoot.

I would never hurt a good Christian muslims Jew. Are you kidding? Most of the people I love are Christians muslims and jews you dope.

i nearly feel sorry for them and think their stupidity is holding us back.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

You are to religion as nazis were to Jews.

You'd just round them up for practicing their faith. If you could.

It's been tried before. Also by atheist socialists. It didn't work.

.
the example has already been made and repeated throughout history ...

View attachment 350403

bing's freedom and liberty, aka - religious supremacy.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

When was that? The bread and butter of atheistic socialists attempting to subordinate religion. Never mind the 200 million lives murdered by militant atheists - like yourself - in the 20th century.

.
pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river, bing

Why didn't you answer the question?

When was that exactly?

When was that exactly?

.
every century since the 4th ...

If you could abolish Christianity, would you do it?

 

[ding]

I think this thread has been super enlightening.

 

[ding]

pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river

Do you suppose that's what Derek Chauvin said to Floyd George when he had his knee on Floyd's neck?

Would you like to put your knee on my neck?

 

[sealybobo]

ding's been eating too many bags of dicks. He thought it might help him grow some brain cells but just made him even more of a humorless dick.

That didn't take very long for you to make it about politics. Thanks for proving my point about the connection between socialism and atheism.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

That didn't take very long for you to make it about your politics. Thanks for proving my point about the connection between eating too many bags of dicks and just becoming a bigger one as the predictable result.

Hands up! Don't shoot.

How's your sense of humor?

You’ll see in November

I'm not invested in that outcome like you are. I couldn't care less who wins.

I'm more interested in what happens after our society hits bottom. That's when God does his best work.

I do care who wins. Even though I’m considered up class, I feel middle class. I want social security and Medicare to be there when I retire.

Republicans want to cut it 20% to “save it”. That means maybe I have to work another year or two. So I feel like eventually I will have to pay for republican tax cuts to the rich.

First of all if you were upper class, you wouldn't have gotten a $950 stimulus check. So spare me your BS.

Secondly, it doesn't matter who wins the election. It's only a matter of time before the economic collapse and the world is at war again. But this time, we won't be spared. So feel free to waste your time on things that don't matter. Feel free to play your ideologue games. Because none of that will matter. When the shit hits the fan, it will be discovered that what we thought was important, isn't, and what we thought wasn't important, is. Just like every winter before it.

I can't find it now but I found where it showed who is upper class. A household of 1 making over $85K is upper class. I made over $85K last year.

And yes, I did get a $950.50 stimulus check. I didn't expect one and I didn't think we were getting anything but it's true I did. I haven't even cashed the check yet because I don't need to.

So you are one of those end of days is coming Christians. The end times are upon us. LOL

 

[sealybobo]

I think this thread has been super enlightening.

Some others have said this is the best thread ever on this subject. So now even you are enjoying it? I'm flattered.

 

[sealybobo]

These so called open minded agnostic atheists are anything but open minded. That's just their trojan horse to attack religion. But not to worry, their predictable surprises are coming. It's just a matter of time. Materialism is a failed belief system.

Solzhenitsyn said it best. "Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtle and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. Thus gaps were left open for evil, and its drafts blow freely today. Mere freedom per se does not in the least solve all the problems of human life and even adds a number of new ones.

And yet in early democracies, as in American democracy at the time of its birth, all individual human rights were granted on the ground that man is God's creature. That is, freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility. Such was the heritage of the preceding one thousand years. Two hundred or even fifty years ago, it would have seemed quite impossible, in America, that an individual be granted boundless freedom with no purpose, simply for the satisfaction of his whims.

Subsequently, however, all such limitations were eroded everywhere in the West; a total emancipation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were becoming ever more materialistic. The West has finally achieved the rights of man, and even excess, but man's sense of responsibility to God and society has grown dimmer and dimmer. In the past decades, the legalistic selfishness of the Western approach to the world has reached its peak and the world has found itself in a harsh spiritual crisis and a political impasse. All the celebrated technological achievements of progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the twentieth century's moral poverty, which no one could have imagined even as late as the nineteenth century.

As humanism in its development was becoming more and more materialistic, it also increasingly allowed concepts to be used first by socialism and then by communism, so that Karl Marx was able to say, in 1844, that "communism is naturalized humanism."

This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism.

The communist regime in the East could endure and grow due to the enthusiastic support from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who (feeling the kinship!) refused to see communism's crimes, and when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify these crimes. The problem persists: In our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero and less than zero. And yet Western intellectuals still look at it with considerable interest and empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to withstand the East.

I am not examining the case of a disaster brought on by a world war and the changes which it would produce in society. But as long as we wake up every morning under a peaceful sun, we must lead an everyday life. Yet there is a disaster which is already very much with us. I am referring to the calamity of an autonomous, irreligious humanistic consciousness.

It has made man the measure of all things on earth — imperfect man, who is never free of pride, self-interest, envy, vanity, and dozens of other defects. We are now paying for the mistakes which were not properly appraised at the beginning of the journey. On the way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passions and our irresponsibility.

We have placed too much hope in politics and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life. It is trampled by the party mob in the East, by the commercial one in the West. This is the essence of the crisis: the split in the world is less terrifying than the similarity of the disease afflicting its main sections.

If, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, he would not be born to die. Since his body is doomed to death, his task on earth evidently must be more spiritual: not a total engrossment in everyday life, not the search for the best ways to obtain material goods and then their carefree consumption. It has to be the fulfillment of a permanent, earnest duty so that one's life journey may become above all an experience of moral growth: to leave life a better human being than one started it.

It is imperative to reappraise the scale of the usual human values; its present incorrectness is astounding. It is not possible that assessment of the President's performance should be reduced to the question of how much money one makes or to the availability of gasoline. Only by the voluntary nurturing in ourselves of freely accepted and serene self-restraint can mankind rise above the world stream of materialism.

Today it would be retrogressive to hold on to the ossified formulas of the Enlightenment. Such social dogmatism leaves us helpless before the trials of our times.

Even if we are spared destruction by war, life will have to change in order not to perish on its own. We cannot avoid reassessing the fundamental definitions of human life and society. Is it true that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Is it right that man's life and society's activities should be ruled by material expansion above all? Is it permissible to promote such expansion to the detriment of our integral spiritual life?

If the world has not approached its end, it has reached a major watershed in history, equal in importance to the turn from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance. It will demand from us a spiritual blaze; we shall have to rise to a new height of vision, to a new level of life, where our physical nature will not be cursed, as in the Middle Ages, but even more importantly, our spiritual being will not be trampled upon, as in the Modern Era.

The ascension is similar to climbing onto the next anthropological stage. No one on earth has any other way left but — upward."

Do you buy the Jehava Witness' story or the Mormon story? No?

Do you consider yourself to be open minded?

 

[sealybobo]

pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river

Do you suppose that's what Derek Chauvin said to Floyd George when he had his knee on Floyd's neck?

Would you like to put your knee on my neck?

No, we just won't vote for people like you. We will take away your tax exempt status when we see you have weaponized your religion. We will passionately debate you and we will call out your religion for what it is. A fake man made up lie.

But no knee on your neck.

 

[ding]

ding's been eating too many bags of dicks. He thought it might help him grow some brain cells but just made him even more of a humorless dick.

That didn't take very long for you to make it about politics. Thanks for proving my point about the connection between socialism and atheism.

Socialism intentionally denies examination because it is irrational. There is no formal defined dogma of socialism. Instead there is only a vague, rosy notion of something good, noble and just: the advent of these things will bring instant euphoria and a social order beyond reproach. Socialism seeks equality through uniformity and communal ownership Socialism has an extraordinary ability to incite and inflame its adherents and inspire social movements. Socialists dismiss their defeats and ignore their incongruities. They desire big government and use big government to implement their morally relativistic social policies. Socialism is a religion. The religious nature of socialism explains their hostility towards traditional religions which is that of one rival religion over another. Their dogma is based on materialism, primitive instincts, atheism and the deification of man. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural Marxism and normalization of deviance. They worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes. They can be identified by an external locus of control. Their religious doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and equality via uniformity and communal ownership. They practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what they do not believe to arrive at what they do believe without ever having to examine what they believe. They confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity. Something they never do.

That didn't take very long for you to make it about your politics. Thanks for proving my point about the connection between eating too many bags of dicks and just becoming a bigger one as the predictable result.

Hands up! Don't shoot.

How's your sense of humor?

You’ll see in November

I'm not invested in that outcome like you are. I couldn't care less who wins.

I'm more interested in what happens after our society hits bottom. That's when God does his best work.

I do care who wins. Even though I’m considered up class, I feel middle class. I want social security and Medicare to be there when I retire.

Republicans want to cut it 20% to “save it”. That means maybe I have to work another year or two. So I feel like eventually I will have to pay for republican tax cuts to the rich.

First of all if you were upper class, you wouldn't have gotten a $950 stimulus check. So spare me your BS.

Secondly, it doesn't matter who wins the election. It's only a matter of time before the economic collapse and the world is at war again. But this time, we won't be spared. So feel free to waste your time on things that don't matter. Feel free to play your ideologue games. Because none of that will matter. When the shit hits the fan, it will be discovered that what we thought was important, isn't, and what we thought wasn't important, is. Just like every winter before it.

I can't find it now but I found where it showed who is upper class. A household of 1 making over $85K is upper class. I made over $85K last year.

And yes, I did get a $950.50 stimulus check. I didn't expect one and I didn't think we were getting anything but it's true I did. I haven't even cashed the check yet because I don't need to.

So you are one of those end of days is coming Christians. The end times are upon us. LOL

You didn’t find it because 85k is not upper class. 85k is a you need a government bailout kind of guy.

no. I’m not an end of days kind of guy. I’m a normalization of deviance leads to predictable surprises kind of guy.

 

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I think this thread has been super enlightening.

Some others have said this is the best thread ever on this subject. So now even you are enjoying it? I'm flattered.

I couldn’t be happier for you.

 

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These so called open minded agnostic atheists are anything but open minded. That's just their trojan horse to attack religion. But not to worry, their predictable surprises are coming. It's just a matter of time. Materialism is a failed belief system.

Solzhenitsyn said it best. "Everything beyond physical well-being and the accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtle and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any higher meaning. Thus gaps were left open for evil, and its drafts blow freely today. Mere freedom per se does not in the least solve all the problems of human life and even adds a number of new ones.

And yet in early democracies, as in American democracy at the time of its birth, all individual human rights were granted on the ground that man is God's creature. That is, freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility. Such was the heritage of the preceding one thousand years. Two hundred or even fifty years ago, it would have seemed quite impossible, in America, that an individual be granted boundless freedom with no purpose, simply for the satisfaction of his whims.

Subsequently, however, all such limitations were eroded everywhere in the West; a total emancipation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were becoming ever more materialistic. The West has finally achieved the rights of man, and even excess, but man's sense of responsibility to God and society has grown dimmer and dimmer. In the past decades, the legalistic selfishness of the Western approach to the world has reached its peak and the world has found itself in a harsh spiritual crisis and a political impasse. All the celebrated technological achievements of progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the twentieth century's moral poverty, which no one could have imagined even as late as the nineteenth century.

As humanism in its development was becoming more and more materialistic, it also increasingly allowed concepts to be used first by socialism and then by communism, so that Karl Marx was able to say, in 1844, that "communism is naturalized humanism."

This statement has proved to be not entirely unreasonable. One does not see the same stones in the foundations of an eroded humanism and of any type of socialism: boundless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility (which under Communist regimes attains the stage of antireligious dictatorship); concentration on social structures with an allegedly scientific approach. (This last is typical of both the Age of Enlightenment and of Marxism.) It is no accident that all of communism's rhetorical vows revolve around Man (with a capital M) and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, moreover, that the current of materialism which is farthest to the left, and is hence the most consistent, always proves to be stronger, more attractive, and victorious. Humanism which has lost its Christian heritage cannot prevail in this competition. Thus during the past centuries and especially in recent decades, as the process became more acute, the alignment of forces was as follows: Liberalism was inevitably pushed aside by radicalism, radicalism had to surrender to socialism, and socialism could not stand up to communism.

The communist regime in the East could endure and grow due to the enthusiastic support from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who (feeling the kinship!) refused to see communism's crimes, and when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify these crimes. The problem persists: In our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero and less than zero. And yet Western intellectuals still look at it with considerable interest and empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to withstand the East.

I am not examining the case of a disaster brought on by a world war and the changes which it would produce in society. But as long as we wake up every morning under a peaceful sun, we must lead an everyday life. Yet there is a disaster which is already very much with us. I am referring to the calamity of an autonomous, irreligious humanistic consciousness.

It has made man the measure of all things on earth — imperfect man, who is never free of pride, self-interest, envy, vanity, and dozens of other defects. We are now paying for the mistakes which were not properly appraised at the beginning of the journey. On the way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passions and our irresponsibility.

We have placed too much hope in politics and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life. It is trampled by the party mob in the East, by the commercial one in the West. This is the essence of the crisis: the split in the world is less terrifying than the similarity of the disease afflicting its main sections.

If, as claimed by humanism, man were born only to be happy, he would not be born to die. Since his body is doomed to death, his task on earth evidently must be more spiritual: not a total engrossment in everyday life, not the search for the best ways to obtain material goods and then their carefree consumption. It has to be the fulfillment of a permanent, earnest duty so that one's life journey may become above all an experience of moral growth: to leave life a better human being than one started it.

It is imperative to reappraise the scale of the usual human values; its present incorrectness is astounding. It is not possible that assessment of the President's performance should be reduced to the question of how much money one makes or to the availability of gasoline. Only by the voluntary nurturing in ourselves of freely accepted and serene self-restraint can mankind rise above the world stream of materialism.

Today it would be retrogressive to hold on to the ossified formulas of the Enlightenment. Such social dogmatism leaves us helpless before the trials of our times.

Even if we are spared destruction by war, life will have to change in order not to perish on its own. We cannot avoid reassessing the fundamental definitions of human life and society. Is it true that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Is it right that man's life and society's activities should be ruled by material expansion above all? Is it permissible to promote such expansion to the detriment of our integral spiritual life?

If the world has not approached its end, it has reached a major watershed in history, equal in importance to the turn from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance. It will demand from us a spiritual blaze; we shall have to rise to a new height of vision, to a new level of life, where our physical nature will not be cursed, as in the Middle Ages, but even more importantly, our spiritual being will not be trampled upon, as in the Modern Era.

The ascension is similar to climbing onto the next anthropological stage. No one on earth has any other way left but — upward."

Do you buy the Jehava Witness' story or the Mormon story? No?

Do you consider yourself to be open minded?

Sometimes. I enjoyed studying all religions.

Have you ever seen my criticize another religion?

 

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pay back can have consequences - for the perpetrators ... cry us a river

Do you suppose that's what Derek Chauvin said to Floyd George when he had his knee on Floyd's neck?

Would you like to put your knee on my neck?

No, we just won't vote for people like you. We will take away your tax exempt status when we see you have weaponized your religion. We will passionately debate you and we will call out your religion for what it is. A fake man made up lie.

But no knee on your neck.

Your militant atheist behaviors say otherwise.

 

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Hands up. Don’t shoot.