Post Any Evidence you are Aware of that Donald Trump Falsified Business Records to Conceal a Crime

[dudmuck]

Yes, that is the weak theory that Alvin Bragg and the feds rejected. The election year was close, and none of the other cases looked like they could possibly have a trial before the election, so someone told Bragg to push the case no matter how bad it made him look.

But, of course, Trump is not on trial for illegal campaign contribution, nor do we know that an illegal campaign contribution is what Bragg has in mind as the underlying crime.

So, what is your evidence of Trump making a false entry into a business record?

the feds rejected something a state prosecutor did? Why are the feds getting involved in a state case? i dont think such a thing happened.

the indictment from Bragg was a full year ago, you can read it here. Obviously they wouldnt have raised such an indictment if the evidence wasnt sufficient, otherwise Trumps lawyers would have an easy job. Youre just fantasizing that this is weak case.

 

[Dadoalex]

Yes, what is your evidence that Trump falsified a business record to conceal a crime?

MINE?

Mine?
Mine don't count.
The evidence that counts is the prosecutions' evidence.
That evidence put Trump's attorney and accountant in prison.

THAT is the evidence with which you need to concern yourself and it will be presented attrial so stay tuned.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm glad that you're admitting that Cohen will be the evidence. That will be the most epic cross-examination since Abraham Lincoln and the Almanac Case.

I wonder why you took so long to finally say that, and why your sister Dems haven't said it?

Yes, Trumps defense will be that Cohen lied
But Cohen lied to cover for Trump

Will he testify what Trump told him to say and what not to say?
Cohen will provide a detailed description of what Trump told him to do regarding Stormy Daniels. He will explain what he did and why.
The jury will decide if he is believable or not

 

[Seymour Flops]

Cohen won't "be the evidence" he will be one part of an overall case.

To think that the entire case depends on a single person. That isn't the case, the trial is projected to take 4-6 weeks and IIRC the prosecution witness list is about 42 individuals. Those individuals will cooberate the testimony of others and confirm evidence. IIRC the prosecution incudes:

• Michael Cohen
• Stormy Daniels
• Keith Davidson
• Karen McDougal
• David Pecker
• Dylan Howard
• Jeffrey McConney
• Kellyanne Conway
• Rhona Graff
• Madeline Westerhout
• Hope Hicks
• Plus others

Notice that testimony will be offered not just from Cohen and Daniels, it will be presented by FPOTUS#45 insiders and staff members. Their testimony will introduce a variety of evidence such as phone records, audio tapes, texts, emails, and other documents.

If you think the case is going to based on Cohen alone, please continue to believe that as everyone likes a surprise.

WW

How many of those 42 individuals have knowledge of Trump making a false business record to conceal a crime? That's the only thing the trial is about.

Is the prosecution just looking to put salacious information in front of the jury, and not prove the actual crime?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes, Trumps defense will be that Cohen lied
But Cohen lied to cover for Trump

Will he testify what Trump told him to say and what not to say?
Cohen will provide a detailed description of what Trump told him to do regarding Stormy Daniels. He will explain what he did and why.
The jury will decide if he is believable or not

If that's all he says, then it won't matter whether the jury believes it or not. Because that is not what Trump is on trial for.

This is a really hard concept for Dems on here who have not read the indikement.

 

[candycorn]

Cohen won't "be the evidence" he will be one part of an overall case.

To think that the entire case depends on a single person. That isn't the case, the trial is projected to take 4-6 weeks and IIRC the prosecution witness list is about 42 individuals. Those individuals will cooberate the testimony of others and confirm evidence. IIRC the prosecution incudes:

• Michael Cohen
• Stormy Daniels
• Keith Davidson
• Karen McDougal
• David Pecker
• Dylan Howard
• Jeffrey McConney
• Kellyanne Conway
• Rhona Graff
• Madeline Westerhout
• Hope Hicks
• Plus others

Notice that testimony will be offered not just from Cohen and Daniels, it will be presented by FPOTUS#45 insiders and staff members. Their testimony will introduce a variety of evidence such as phone records, audio tapes, texts, emails, and other documents.

If you think the case is going to based on Cohen alone, please continue to believe that as everyone likes a surprise.

WW

And the blob on audio tape.

Essentially it comes down to the temperament of the jury and if they are in the mood to really drop the hammer on Mara-Lard-Ass. Zero doubt that he’s guilty.

 

[rightwinger]

The tape talks about Trump making false entries into business records? I'll listen if it does.

Trump doesn’t have to make the entries
Conspiring with Cohen to break the law is enough

Trump is like a Mafia boss who orders someone killed

They don’t say in writing….I want you to kill Vinny the Weasel
They will tell a trusted aid…….take care of it

Yet, Mafia bosses get convicted

 

[rightwinger]

If that's all he says, then it won't matter whether the jury believes it or not. Because that is not what Trump is on trial for.

This is a really hard concept for Dems on here who have not read the indikement.

It all fits in to a larger Conspiracy
Paying off Stormy Daniels and not having it traced to Trump is the key.
Cohen played the middle man and went to prison for it.

Now it is Trump‘s turn

 

[Smokin' OP]

You can’t fix stupid

Sure you can, BUUUUUT...........when they can't stop drinking this...........................

All bets are off.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump doesn’t have to make the entries
Conspiring with Cohen to break the law is enough

Trump is like a Mafia boss who orders someone killed

They don’t say in writing….I want you to kill Vinny the Weasel
They will tell a trusted aid…….take care of it

Yet, Mafia bosses get convicted

So Trump ordered someone to make false entries in a ledger to conceal a crime?

That's not what the indictment says. You may need to email Bragg and tell him to start over.

 

[Seymour Flops]

It all fits in to a larger Conspiracy
Paying off Stormy Daniels and not having it traced to Trump is the key.
Cohen played the middle man and went to prison for it.

Now it is Trump‘s turn

So, what is this case then? Just a dry run or something?

Why did Bragg indict Trump for making false entries if Trump did not make false entries?

 

[rightwinger]

So, what is this case then? Just a dry run or something?

Why did Bragg indict Trump for making false entries if Trump did not make false entries?

Stay tuned Skippy
The prosecution will spell out Trumps role in paying Stormy Daniels and how that payment should be made

 

[rightwinger]

So Trump ordered someone to make false entries in a ledger to conceal a crime?

That's not what the indictment says. You may need to email Bragg and tell him to start over.

You are obsessed with….who made those entries
If it was not Trump, then he is innocent

This is a case of a boss directing what should be done and what was done was against the law.

 

[Care4all]

Yes, that is the weak theory that Alvin Bragg and the feds rejected

FYI

Not true! Alvin Bragg did not reject it. When he arrived and took over the case, he put it on hold, for he and his new team to determine if they had a case they could bring forward....they determined they did.

The feds in SDNY did not reject it either.....they were pressured and forced to drop the case against Trump by AG Bill Barr....


SO BOTH of those things you stated are false....

 

[leftwinger]

President Trump is currently being tried under New York Penal Law 175.05. The law ordinarily makes it a misdemeanor, not a felony, to falsify business records with “intent to defraud.” The law permits, however, the District Attorney to upgrade what ordinarily would be considered a misdemeanor to a Class E felony if the intent to defraud is combined with an intent to commit another crime.

 

[rightwinger]

President Trump is currently being tried under New York Penal Law 175.05. The law ordinarily makes it a misdemeanor, not a felony, to falsify business records with “intent to defraud.” The law permits, however, the District Attorney to upgrade what ordinarily would be considered a misdemeanor to a Class E felony if the intent to defraud is combined with an intent to commit another crime.

OK
And the DA will have to show that

 

[leftwinger]

Another salient legal issue that Bragg appears to have just blithely swept under the rug with this case is why, exactly, should President Trump be held vicariously criminally liable for an alleged clerical error committed by his accountant or his attorney, Michael Cohen, or whoever might have been overseeing his tax filings at the time the write-off was made? If, as President Trump has said, that it was Michael Cohen, not him, who decided pay off Stormy Daniels, Bragg should be investigating Cohen and forcing him into court, not President Trump.

 

[leftwinger]

There is no rhyme or reason to Bragg’s theory of the case, he is merely operating as a political apparatchik for the Biden Regime where he must get off on roleplaying as a tin-pot dictator to bring down Orange Hitler.

 

[WorldWatcher]

President Trump is currently being tried under New York Penal Law 175.05. The law ordinarily makes it a misdemeanor, not a felony, to falsify business records with “intent to defraud.” The law permits, however, the District Attorney to upgrade what ordinarily would be considered a misdemeanor to a Class E felony if the intent to defraud is combined with an intent to commit another crime.

With the intent to commit another crime * * OR * * hide/aid in the commission of another crime.

Mr. Trump need not have committed the other crime that was attempting to be hidden or aided in.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

How many of those 42 individuals have knowledge of Trump making a false business record to conceal a crime? That's the only thing the trial is about.

This is incorrect.

There are two components for the state to make their case:

1. That the accused falsified (or caused to be falsified) business records.
2. That the accused did so to either commit another crime or did so to hide/aid in the commission of another crime.

You appear to be attempting to reduce the requirements to a single condition which isn't really the case. I don't know if the attempted reduction fallacy is on purpose or by accident.

However there are multiple components to the charges the state will have to present to the jury.

WW