Putin is a genius. Biden a fool. This explains very well what Putin's plan is in Ukraine

[surada]

They have pretty traumatic experience of the Western invasions, you know. That's why they prefer to buy missiles and be alive.

Really. When did the West invade Russia?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

All people have the right to rebel.
You know:
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When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive to these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shown that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
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You are using the American DoI out of context.

Russia has been losing the war when it failed in its stoopidblitz to take Keiv.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Really. When did the West invade Russia?

Oh, that part is true. Germany seems every generation to cast its eyes east, mobilize its armies, and go kicks but on the Belarus, the Ukis and Cossacks, and the Rus.

Better that than marching west.

 

[Silver Cat]

Really. When did the West invade Russia?

The West have been invading Russia many times. Since X century they have one or two major wars in century against them. Hitler, Wilhelm II, Napoleon, Charles XII, Sigismond II, and many, many others...

 

[Silver Cat]

Oh, that part is true. Germany seems every generation to cast its eyes east, mobilize its armies, and go kicks but on the Belarus, the Ukis and Cossacks, and the Rus.

Better that than marching west.

Not only Germany. France, Sweden, Poland, Lithuania and many others...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The West have been invading Russia many times. Since X century they have one or two major wars in century against them. Hitler, Wilhelm II, Napoleon, Charles XII, Sigismond II, and many, many others...

That's because the Rodina's population is mongrelized, much like of the USA.

The difference is that the USA is surrounded by immense oceans and weak nations.

 

[surada]

The West have been invading Russia many times. Since X century they have one or two major wars in century against them. Hitler, Wilhelm II, Napoleon, Charles XII, Sigismond II, and many, many others...

I was thinking in the past 100 years. Hitler was at war with the "West"... Who do you think Russia is so afraid of now?

 

[Silver Cat]

You are using the American DoI out of context.

What kind of context you didn't understand?
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But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
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When a tyranny don't allow people even speak their languages, it is their Right and it is their Duty, to throw off such Government.
They are fighting for their right to speak their language, and this fighting is righteous.

Russia has been losing the war when it failed in its stoopidblitz to take Keiv.

Sure, no. This conflict is just a part of a much wider, and potentially much more dangerous situation.

 

[Silver Cat]

I was thinking in the past 100 years. Hitler was at war with the "West"... Who do you think Russia is so afraid of now?

But the Russians are thinking about the past 1000 years.
Mostly, they are afraid of the NATO and EU, and first of all of American nuclear weapons.

 

[surada]

But the Russians are thinking about the past 1000 years.
Mostly, they are afraid of the NATO and EU, and first of all of American nuclear weapons.

Really? That's rather barbaric.

 

[surada]

What kind of context you didn't understand?
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But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
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When a tyranny don't allow people even speak their languages, it is their Right and it is their Duty, to throw off such Government.
They are fighting for their right to speak their language, and this fighting is righteous.


Sure, no. This conflict is just a part of a much wider, and potentially much more dangerous situation.

Russia has land, water, timber, oil and lots of other natural resources. Why are they backwards and impoverished and invading the neighbors?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What kind of context you didn't understand?
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But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.
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When a tyranny don't allow people even speak their languages, it is their Right and it is their Duty, to throw off such Government.
They are fighting for their right to speak their language, and this fighting is righteous.


Sure, no. This conflict is just a part of a much wider, and potentially much more dangerous situation.

And none of that applies. Putin is in the role of King George III. You are tory supporting that. Did you support Trump?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The feds are more concerned about right wing white terrorists than baddy immigrants.

Justly so.

 

[Silver Cat]

Really? That's rather barbaric.

They have pretty good reasons to be afraid. There was unprovoked NATO's aggression against Serbia back in 1999, you know. And even right now NATO pay Ukrainian Junta for killing Russians. It's not really friendly behavior from their point of view.

 

[Silver Cat]

And none of that applies. Putin is in the role of King George III. You are tory supporting that. Did you support Trump?

Oh, my... Kievan Junta started discrimination of the Russian-speaking population. Then Crimea and Donbass declared independence and the Junta started a military operation against those "separatists".

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

Liberals so desperately wanted the Ukraine war to be about Zelensky and Kiev. I think because they believed the Russians were dumb enough to make US's mistake in Iraq and decapitate a government and let the enemy army throw off their uniforms and disperse into the countryside.

Russia used Kiev as a feint.

They want to destroy the Ukrainian army in total in what's militarily known as "Defeat in detail".

They want the resources Ukraine has. Almost all of it is in the Donbas and Crimea and off shore. Gold oil uranium and the farm lands.

Russia has made sure that Ukraine cannot be used to replace Russia as strategic supplier of energy and food to Europe...a master stroke.

And Ukraine's economy has imploded 50%.

Putin is running circles around the democrats and setting up new trade routes and pulling former allies away from the west as they have to make hard choices, morals or food/energy.

Russia gets results....

But hey. At least MSNBC gets to say they lost Kiev and are war criminals.

Stupid. DEMs just moral virtue signal while Russia gets results.

 

[Moonglow]

Russian Minister of War: Well, you see commodore Pootin it is all a ruse we shall pretend to be defeated and killed yet rule a larger area for Mother Russia when they are not looking.
''dasvidaniya! ''

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

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You are really on the slow end.

 

[krichton]

But the Russians are thinking about the past 1000 years.
Mostly, they are afraid of the NATO and EU, and first of all of American nuclear weapons.

So what you're saying is, they've manufactured a false fear based stuff on ancient history no longer relevant in todays world.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Now Wagner is revealing the cracks in the Russian leadership and infrastructure.

Crime will be Ukrainian by July 31.