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wont happenIf the GOP Elites started a third party or commandeered an existing party then the GOP would cease to exist in many peoples minds. If the GOP elites do not care what the people think, then the people damn sure do not care what the GOP Elites think. They would be toast.
a 3rd party means the dnc wins all the time every time and that would mean the end of all freedoms
for our own good, of course
The biggest problem with Trump you're not recognizing is that he's getting it from all sides. They're pounding away at him in hopes that he'll eventually fall in the polls and not look like a winner. Falling poll numbers is their only real way of attacking him because they can't do it honestly. They've thrown the kitchen sink at him and it's barely made a scratch. So false reporting is their strongest weapon against him.The three 'R's would all turn their backs on the Republican voters.....so they would be just hanging themselves. It would assure Hillary won and cause their base to turn on them like they turned on Chris Christy.From what I'm hearing, the GOP establishment is trying to downplay the possibility of a brokered convention. Surely they know it would cause a huge revolt within their own party. And regardless, there's nothing they can do if he gets the required votes.
Also, Trump's supporters have made it pretty clear that they've had it with the GOP and really don't care what it thinks about Trump. Okay.
So here's my question: Would you mind if the "establishment" ran and backed a more moderate Republican, like a Romney or a Ryan or a Rubio, and ran them third party?
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I think everyone is jumping the gun here. As you see, Trump has problems in closed primaries, just as most pundits predicted.
I believe Trump is going to take Florida because I have been here checking for 3 2 and 1/2 months. But, if Rubio drops afterwards, Cruz will get the sufficient delegates to win out right as long as most of the remaining primaries are closed.
I believe seeing Trump win open primaries proves beyond reasonable doubt, that blue collar Democrats and Independents are driving his support if most of the rest are closed, Trump will not even perform as well as yesterday, as most support of Rubio goes Cruz.
Minorities will avoid voting Republican no matter what unless they suddenly all get educated or otherwise start to follow politics and see for themselves Democrats have done nothing for them.
Minorities will start voting Republican more when people like you stop saying things like this.
I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.
"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.
The disconnect of his followers is just amazing.I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.
"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.
How a person can separate the 15% of issue discussion from the 85% of childish, rambling, embarrassing diatribe is a mystery to me.
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I don't remember the previous candidate of major party deploring people not to vote for the front-runner, or several national members of a party publicly distancing themselves from that same candidate.They're shitting bricks. It's beginning to look like they'd rather lose the general than back Trump. So outside of just bending over and taking it, this would be their only option.If they did that wouldn't that be like saying there is no Republican party? and voters really do not count?
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yep, that is the scenario being pushed by the Mrs. Clinton backers. What the hell it is not like primaries have not been contentious before.
Of course, I don't recall a major candidate talking about his dick during a debate before, either.
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Agreed, I definitely don't get it.I see a difference between PC's attempt to strangle open conversation and forgiving a major presidential candidate for acting like he's 15. "Hey, cool, he's talking about his dick in a major, nationally-televised debate, I love the way he's not PC". Holy crap. He's certainly welcome to behave that way, and I certainly wouldn't try to silence him.I really don't think it's his "outsider" status.No, in my opinion what people who keep saying this crap want is for the RNC to torpedo Trump. I seriously do not see why anyone who thinks Mrs. Clinton is clearly the best give a crap about Trump or the RNC. What is unique is the attack. Trump is clearly the front runner and clearly an outsider and folks just are not used to both. So they must try and destroy Trump to maintain the same old same old.
i realize you think that the RNC should destroy Trump, but that is not going to happen.
As for the RNC, try reading what THEY have to say:
Republican leaders’ silence on Trump is inexcusable — and irrational
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ON SUNDAY, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus whether the party would back Donald Trump should he win the GOP nomination. “Yes, we will support the nominee,” the Republican chairman replied. “To me, it’s a no-brainer.” Mr. Stephanopoulos asked if a Trump nomination would split the party. “Winning is the antidote to a lot of things,” Mr. Priebus responded.
I think it's his behavior.
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He is not real polished, or just speaks his mind, and what everyone is really thinking but are too PC to say so. Considering the majority of your posts have dealt with being PC one would think that someone so non-PC would inspire you. Or maybe that is the problem, you think he should be more PC and all your post bitchin' about being PC were BS.
Kinda funny, that something Rubio brought up about Trump and Rubio is forgotten.
What is on his mind appears to be polls, insulting people, his hurt feelings, rambling stream of consciousness, manic hyperbole and playing to the crowd. All I'm saying is I don't get the attraction, and I can understand why more moderate Republicans don't either.
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I don't even know what he supposedly said about his dick but what I heard it was in response to what Rubio had said. That's what is so great about the situation, Trump says crap like that, you folks get your shorts in a knot and he just wins bigger. I really don't think you are getting what the Trump phenomena is all about.
But, why don't you write him a letter and tell him you think he should be more PC.
And you don't get my point on PC.
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I see a difference between PC's attempt to strangle open conversation and forgiving a major presidential candidate for acting like he's 15. "Hey, cool, he's talking about his dick in a major, nationally-televised debate, I love the way he's not PC". Holy crap. He's certainly welcome to behave that way, and I certainly wouldn't try to silence him.I really don't think it's his "outsider" status.No, in my opinion what people who keep saying this crap want is for the RNC to torpedo Trump. I seriously do not see why anyone who thinks Mrs. Clinton is clearly the best give a crap about Trump or the RNC. What is unique is the attack. Trump is clearly the front runner and clearly an outsider and folks just are not used to both. So they must try and destroy Trump to maintain the same old same old.
i realize you think that the RNC should destroy Trump, but that is not going to happen.
As for the RNC, try reading what THEY have to say:
Republican leaders’ silence on Trump is inexcusable — and irrational
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ON SUNDAY, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus whether the party would back Donald Trump should he win the GOP nomination. “Yes, we will support the nominee,” the Republican chairman replied. “To me, it’s a no-brainer.” Mr. Stephanopoulos asked if a Trump nomination would split the party. “Winning is the antidote to a lot of things,” Mr. Priebus responded.
I think it's his behavior.
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He is not real polished, or just speaks his mind, and what everyone is really thinking but are too PC to say so. Considering the majority of your posts have dealt with being PC one would think that someone so non-PC would inspire you. Or maybe that is the problem, you think he should be more PC and all your post bitchin' about being PC were BS.
Kinda funny, that something Rubio brought up about Trump and Rubio is forgotten.
What is on his mind appears to be polls, insulting people, his hurt feelings, rambling stream of consciousness, manic hyperbole and playing to the crowd. All I'm saying is I don't get the attraction, and I can understand why more moderate Republicans don't either.
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I don't even know what he supposedly said about his dick but what I heard it was in response to what Rubio had said. That's what is so great about the situation, Trump says crap like that, you folks get your shorts in a knot and he just wins bigger. I really don't think you are getting what the Trump phenomena is all about.
But, why don't you write him a letter and tell him you think he should be more PC.
Why should the Republicans run more moderate candidates? McCain might as well be a democrat and Romney is not far behind.
Oh, we "get" the Trump "phenomena". Why do you think we have so little respect for it?
The fact that you people can't tell the difference between "politically incorrect" and "repulsively offensive and trashy" is just the tip of the iceberg, Captain Titanic.
Your not well like. Maybe you are not deserving of an answer.Isn't it funny how you never see the Democrats do anything like this? I don't think the DNC was crazy about DumBama either, until they seen how popular he was getting, and then (unlike the Republicans) they jumped on the bandwagon.
The establishment is pissed, but fails to understand that it's because of them that there is a Trump in the first place. Instead of blaming themselves for the creation they made, they get mad at Trump.
I've asked several times, but haven't received a strait answer yet. How is what Trump says much different from what right wing radio has been saying for years?
Could be, but it's a pertinent question. I'm just trying to figure out exactly why the GOP hates Trump so much.
Not all of the GOP, mostly it's the establishment.
For instance Limbaugh and O'Reilly are friends with Trump. On the other hand, Michael Medved and Beck hate Trump and don't hide it. Trump is dividing the party even more so and the establishment is upset by this. They were hoping the TP would just fade away and now Trump is reigniting it.
In one regard, though, Trump is a uniter. Disgust and loathing for him are damned near the only thing that conservatives, independents, AND liberals have been able to agree on for as long as I can remember.
They're shitting bricks. It's beginning to look like they'd rather lose the general than back Trump. So outside of just bending over and taking it, this would be their only option.
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I don't get it. Trump is saying exactly the same things that right wingers have been saying for years. I would think they should love having Trump for the nominee.
Point of order: Trump is kicking ass.
Sure, but the GOP is arming up to stop him. They hate even the idea of him as the nominee. Why? Doesn't he echo the same things the right has been saying for years?
How do you know these things?
You should pay more attention. Do you think romney came out against trump on his own? There has been a long line of GOP elites condemning trump and making plans for a contested convention, specifically to deny Trump the nomination.
Well, maybe they're factoring his behavior into this.I think it's possible that (and this is just what I'm inferring from some of what I'm hearing) the more moderate/establishment sector of the party would literally rather lose than win with Trump.If Trump ends up with 1199 and we end up with an Establishment pick, that might very well be within the rules.
Don't expect much support from the base, and all those record breaking turnouts? YOu can forget that too.
The delegates might want to consider that.
That's not for sure, obviously, but with each statement like Romney's it's going to get more and more difficult for many to back Trump.
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And what does that say about THEM?
The policies that Trump is pushing, what is so radical or dangerous about them?
Answer: NOthing.
That they are having such a hissy fit because Trump is not one of them, speaks volumes about them more than it does about Trump or his supporters.
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So he's uncouth and that's reason to throw the election?
LIke I said, you are asking the wrong question.
This is not about what is wrong with Trump, this is about what is wrong with the GOP Establishment.
Do they think that having HIllary define the Court for the next generation is a good thing?
If they don't have a problem with a Democrat President, then why the hell have they taken on the job of supposedly fighting against that?
IT IS THEIR JOB TO WIN ELECTIONS.
Have you considered that they think Trump would be just as bad as Hillary, just in his own Trump-y ways?
Who?it's hard to believe that his team wouldn't inform himHe needs to know it does not work. Maybe he is just not informed on that fact yet.he supports forced use of ethanol even though it's been shown to be worse than just gasPlease elaborate
Scott Adams thinks he's going to win in a huge landslide. He has some pretty interesting arguments.
And why should I care?
I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.
"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.
He was in an heated exchange with John McCain that McCain started and he insulted McCain BACK.
The disconnect of his followers is just amazing.I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.
"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.
How a person can separate the 15% of issue discussion from the 85% of childish, rambling, embarrassing diatribe is a mystery to me.
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How can a person miss that mature, concise, respectful discussion from the Right has been marginalized and crushed by lies and propaganda from the Left for generations?
I wish that we lived in a world were Steve Forbes quiet issue driven campaign had caught fire and swept all before it like a terrible Flood.
Instead, he was like a pebble thrown into that flood, disappearing without a ripple.
If Trump is what it takes to counter the vile power of the vile Leftist Press, then So Be It, and More Power to Him.
Agreed, I definitely don't get it.I see a difference between PC's attempt to strangle open conversation and forgiving a major presidential candidate for acting like he's 15. "Hey, cool, he's talking about his dick in a major, nationally-televised debate, I love the way he's not PC". Holy crap. He's certainly welcome to behave that way, and I certainly wouldn't try to silence him.I really don't think it's his "outsider" status.
I think it's his behavior.
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He is not real polished, or just speaks his mind, and what everyone is really thinking but are too PC to say so. Considering the majority of your posts have dealt with being PC one would think that someone so non-PC would inspire you. Or maybe that is the problem, you think he should be more PC and all your post bitchin' about being PC were BS.
Kinda funny, that something Rubio brought up about Trump and Rubio is forgotten.
What is on his mind appears to be polls, insulting people, his hurt feelings, rambling stream of consciousness, manic hyperbole and playing to the crowd. All I'm saying is I don't get the attraction, and I can understand why more moderate Republicans don't either.
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I don't even know what he supposedly said about his dick but what I heard it was in response to what Rubio had said. That's what is so great about the situation, Trump says crap like that, you folks get your shorts in a knot and he just wins bigger. I really don't think you are getting what the Trump phenomena is all about.
But, why don't you write him a letter and tell him you think he should be more PC.
And you don't get my point on PC.
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I think your missing the point about PC.
Trump is the anti-PC. That's why the reaction AGAINST him by so many, so strongly.
He is violating all the Taboos.
And considering the insults flowing AT Trump and his supporters, insulting back as aggressively as possible seems to be the best answer to PC yet.
Lord knows your attempts at reasoning with liberals on the issue of Political Correctness have been completely failures.
You don't understand the rules, Correll. They can attack Trump but Trump is NOT allowed to attack them back.I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.
"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.
He was in an heated exchange with John McCain that McCain started and he insulted McCain BACK.
I see a difference between PC's attempt to strangle open conversation and forgiving a major presidential candidate for acting like he's 15. "Hey, cool, he's talking about his dick in a major, nationally-televised debate, I love the way he's not PC". Holy crap. He's certainly welcome to behave that way, and I certainly wouldn't try to silence him.I really don't think it's his "outsider" status.
I think it's his behavior.
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He is not real polished, or just speaks his mind, and what everyone is really thinking but are too PC to say so. Considering the majority of your posts have dealt with being PC one would think that someone so non-PC would inspire you. Or maybe that is the problem, you think he should be more PC and all your post bitchin' about being PC were BS.
Kinda funny, that something Rubio brought up about Trump and Rubio is forgotten.
What is on his mind appears to be polls, insulting people, his hurt feelings, rambling stream of consciousness, manic hyperbole and playing to the crowd. All I'm saying is I don't get the attraction, and I can understand why more moderate Republicans don't either.
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I don't even know what he supposedly said about his dick but what I heard it was in response to what Rubio had said. That's what is so great about the situation, Trump says crap like that, you folks get your shorts in a knot and he just wins bigger. I really don't think you are getting what the Trump phenomena is all about.
But, why don't you write him a letter and tell him you think he should be more PC.
Why should the Republicans run more moderate candidates? McCain might as well be a democrat and Romney is not far behind.
Oh, we "get" the Trump "phenomena". Why do you think we have so little respect for it?
The fact that you people can't tell the difference between "politically incorrect" and "repulsively offensive and trashy" is just the tip of the iceberg, Captain Titanic.
That you don't get that Politically Correct is the problem and Trump is the solution is the whole of the Arctic ice pack.
Your not well like. Maybe you are not deserving of an answer.I've asked several times, but haven't received a strait answer yet. How is what Trump says much different from what right wing radio has been saying for years?
Could be, but it's a pertinent question. I'm just trying to figure out exactly why the GOP hates Trump so much.
Not all of the GOP, mostly it's the establishment.
For instance Limbaugh and O'Reilly are friends with Trump. On the other hand, Michael Medved and Beck hate Trump and don't hide it. Trump is dividing the party even more so and the establishment is upset by this. They were hoping the TP would just fade away and now Trump is reigniting it.
In one regard, though, Trump is a uniter. Disgust and loathing for him are damned near the only thing that conservatives, independents, AND liberals have been able to agree on for as long as I can remember.
And yet the polls show him in striking distance of HIllary.
Almost as though there is a huge portion of the nation that you don't know and have never heard from nor even considered....
Well, maybe they're factoring his behavior into this.I think it's possible that (and this is just what I'm inferring from some of what I'm hearing) the more moderate/establishment sector of the party would literally rather lose than win with Trump.
That's not for sure, obviously, but with each statement like Romney's it's going to get more and more difficult for many to back Trump.
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And what does that say about THEM?
The policies that Trump is pushing, what is so radical or dangerous about them?
Answer: NOthing.
That they are having such a hissy fit because Trump is not one of them, speaks volumes about them more than it does about Trump or his supporters.
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So he's uncouth and that's reason to throw the election?
LIke I said, you are asking the wrong question.
This is not about what is wrong with Trump, this is about what is wrong with the GOP Establishment.
Do they think that having HIllary define the Court for the next generation is a good thing?
If they don't have a problem with a Democrat President, then why the hell have they taken on the job of supposedly fighting against that?
IT IS THEIR JOB TO WIN ELECTIONS.
Have you considered that they think Trump would be just as bad as Hillary, just in his own Trump-y ways?
It is obvious from their actions, they consider Trump to be WORSE than HIllary.
Which raises all kinds of questions about why they are in their positions, if that is the case.
For example, Trump as President cannot appoint someone worse than Hillary to the COurt.
For Hillary will nominate a Leftist who will flip the court to the Left with all that implies.
Trump CANNOT do any worse than that. He cannot take the Court in a whole NEW direction that is worse than Left.
He won't be adding his appointments to an existing large minority on the COurt.
I have trouble seeing any validity to their POV.
You don't understand the rules, Correll. They can attack Trump but Trump is NOT allowed to attack them back.I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.
"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.
He was in an heated exchange with John McCain that McCain started and he insulted McCain BACK.
