Question for Trump supporters: Would this be okay with you?

[Two Thumbs]

He supports much of the status quo that cost the country a lot of money

Please elaborate

he supports forced use of ethanol even though it's been shown to be worse than just gas

OK. Is that the total difference?

If you want more information on how many of your policies trump supports, look it up yourself.

Not my policies. I'm well aware of where we differ or agree. I'm just wondering why the GOP is so hostile to him when he is only saying what they have advocated for a long time.

so you don't push for ethanol?

was that before or after you learned trump supported it

 

[Two Thumbs]

If the GOP Elites started a third party or commandeered an existing party then the GOP would cease to exist in many peoples minds. If the GOP elites do not care what the people think, then the people damn sure do not care what the GOP Elites think. They would be toast.

wont happen

a 3rd party means the dnc wins all the time every time and that would mean the end of all freedoms

for our own good, of course

I don't think we're looking at a third-party scenario, though. I think we're looking more at something like the original rise of the Republican Party when the old Whig Party died out.

The question is, would the new, emerging party be able to fill the power vacuum fast enough?

I doubt it.

cons and gop mods are miles apart, so I think any rise of a new party would be the rise of 2 separate parties.
1 clinging to power and the other trying to get rid of it.

oddly, the dnc died, openly died this cycle and no one cared. It's leaders can't tell you the difference between a socialist and a dem and not one liberal is running for Pres.

It died in all but name

 

[Theowl32]

As I have mentioned e several times, the establishment cannot allow Trump to win the presidency. The thought of him being privy to ALL of the shady underhanded deals with these countries that provide cheap labor along with ALL of the deals with every special interest terrifies all of them.

In fact it terrifies them so much that the "republicans" are more than willing to blow up a party that doesn't even exist anyway.

Don't believe it?

Could you imagine Trump having access to Obama's actual birth records? Could you imagine Trump directing the DOJ to truly investigate Billarys emails? You think they may find out that she revealed the mission that SEAL TEAM VI was going on when they shot out of the sky only a few weeks after they killed bin laden? We still have no answers regarding that disaster.

You get the point. Trump cannot be president. They will take him out one way or another. Trust that.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, the thing about Trump and this election cycle is that he could actually win. As utterly ridiculous and cartoonish as Trump is, Hillary is pretty flawed herself.

That's the thing. Hillary is a weak candidate and can be beaten. But she almost certainly won't be if Trump is the candidate.

This whole thing is so bizarre that I'm not sure either way.

I'd say he has a better chance than Cruz, for sure, and there's always Hillary's baggage. I dunno.
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Minorities have been coming out for huge for Hillary. If that continues, neither Trump nor Cruz will win enough of the white vote to beat her IMHO. That is, assuming, she doesn't get indicted. If she does, all bets are off.

I used to think that Trump would have a better chance of beating Hillary than Cruz, but I'm not so sure now. A recent WaPo poll had Trump with a staggering 80% negativity rating amongst Hispanics. Trump would eat away at her base in the Reagan Democrats while Cruz would not, but he would lose minorities much worse than Cruz and probably fair poorly amongst the educated in suburbs.

I'm now wondering if Cruz is surging enough to beat Trump. Trump appears less likely to win 1237 delegates, at least on the first ballot.

I joked months ago that Trump is running to make Cruz look good. Without any irony, that is what is happening.

Cruz definitely has the momentum, at least now.

The chances that no one would have enough delegates come convention time are increasing a bit.

Man, that would be great theater. The ultimate reality show, huh?
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[Mac1958]

Well, the thing about Trump and this election cycle is that he could actually win. As utterly ridiculous and cartoonish as Trump is, Hillary is pretty flawed herself.

That's the thing. Hillary is a weak candidate and can be beaten. But she almost certainly won't be if Trump is the candidate.

This whole thing is so bizarre that I'm not sure either way.

I'd say he has a better chance than Cruz, for sure, and there's always Hillary's baggage. I dunno.
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There's very little indication that Trump would do well in the general election, the rabidness of his fanboys notwithstanding.

Well, he's close enough in the polls to make it interesting, and if Hillary's situation stays clean I think she'd win.

But she's a pretty flawed candidate too, and there are things that could trip her up, from emails to health to her personal baggage.

You never know.
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[Correll]

I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.

"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.

He was in an heated exchange with John McCain that McCain started and he insulted McCain BACK.

Can I just take a moment to admire the deep maturity of your "He started it!" reasoning?

Sure.

And then consider that firing back in the heat of the moment is better than being a doormat.

Like normal for Republicans.

 

[Correll]

I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.

"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.

The disconnect of his followers is just amazing.

How a person can separate the 15% of issue discussion from the 85% of childish, rambling, embarrassing diatribe is a mystery to me.
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How can a person miss that mature, concise, respectful discussion from the Right has been marginalized and crushed by lies and propaganda from the Left for generations?

I wish that we lived in a world were Steve Forbes quiet issue driven campaign had caught fire and swept all before it like a terrible Flood.

Instead, he was like a pebble thrown into that flood, disappearing without a ripple.

If Trump is what it takes to counter the vile power of the vile Leftist Press, then So Be It, and More Power to Him.

Yes, yes, we're all aware that you're "angry". You're angry, angry, angry, and damn it, that's all that matters and it trumps (you should excuse the pun) every other fucking thing on Earth.

Jesus Christ, you Trumpettes are like a broken frigging record. Don't you have a side B?

Trump isn't "what it takes to counter the vile power of " yada yada yackity smackity. He's a rude, vulgar child who's giving the id in a bunch of other rude, vulgar children a warm fuzzy. "He says what other people won't say", we're told. Maybe there's a good reason why people won't say it.

Outgrow the juvenile rebellion stage, already. You're boring me.

That wasn't about my anger. It was about the fact that the rest of the GOP is not going to break though the Wall of LIes the Press and the LIbs build around their supporters.

Trump seems to be making some headway there.

 

[Correll]

He is not real polished, or just speaks his mind, and what everyone is really thinking but are too PC to say so. Considering the majority of your posts have dealt with being PC one would think that someone so non-PC would inspire you. Or maybe that is the problem, you think he should be more PC and all your post bitchin' about being PC were BS.

Kinda funny, that something Rubio brought up about Trump and Rubio is forgotten.

I see a difference between PC's attempt to strangle open conversation and forgiving a major presidential candidate for acting like he's 15. "Hey, cool, he's talking about his dick in a major, nationally-televised debate, I love the way he's not PC". Holy crap. He's certainly welcome to behave that way, and I certainly wouldn't try to silence him.

What is on his mind appears to be polls, insulting people, his hurt feelings, rambling stream of consciousness, manic hyperbole and playing to the crowd. All I'm saying is I don't get the attraction, and I can understand why more moderate Republicans don't either.
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I don't even know what he supposedly said about his dick but what I heard it was in response to what Rubio had said. That's what is so great about the situation, Trump says crap like that, you folks get your shorts in a knot and he just wins bigger. I really don't think you are getting what the Trump phenomena is all about.

But, why don't you write him a letter and tell him you think he should be more PC.

Agreed, I definitely don't get it.

And you don't get my point on PC.
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I think your missing the point about PC.

Trump is the anti-PC. That's why the reaction AGAINST him by so many, so strongly.

He is violating all the Taboos.

And considering the insults flowing AT Trump and his supporters, insulting back as aggressively as possible seems to be the best answer to PC yet.

Lord knows your attempts at reasoning with liberals on the issue of Political Correctness have been completely failures.

No, honey. This is all the same sort of rationalized bunker-think one finds in cults, right before they start forting up with their arsenals and sacrificing their testicles to comets and shit. "They hate us because we're speaking the truth! Look at how they're attacking us! We're so persecuted!" Chop chop, slice slice, plop go the danglies into the jar.

If you ever pulled your head out of Donny's sphincter for two seconds and applied his behavior to anyone else on the planet that you're not currently worshiping, you'd have a much clearer picture of why the reaction against him is so strong. In this, I am generously crediting you with the benefit of the doubt that you are otherwise a decent, rational, civilized adult, so take the compliment, sparse as it is. He's not "anti-PC"; he's odious and repulsive.

OF COURSE you and he are being insulted. Every other word out of the man's mouth is a grade school-quality insult, and his followers literally act like mind-numbed, brainwashed zombies. It is fucking frightening to think that so many of my neighbors and fellow voters are this close to nutbar lunacy at any given moment.

NOt every word.

He has advanced a platform of policies that I have been waiting for some Republican to push.

 

[frigidweirdo]

From what I'm hearing, the GOP establishment is trying to downplay the possibility of a brokered convention. Surely they know it would cause a huge revolt within their own party. And regardless, there's nothing they can do if he gets the required votes.

Also, Trump's supporters have made it pretty clear that they've had it with the GOP and really don't care what it thinks about Trump. Okay.

So here's my question: Would you mind if the "establishment" ran and backed a more moderate Republican, like a Romney or a Ryan or a Rubio, and ran them third party?
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If Trump supporters are against the GOP, why don't they LEAVE THE GOP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

Wait, they don't have the brain to leave?

 

[Mac1958]

From what I'm hearing, the GOP establishment is trying to downplay the possibility of a brokered convention. Surely they know it would cause a huge revolt within their own party. And regardless, there's nothing they can do if he gets the required votes.

Also, Trump's supporters have made it pretty clear that they've had it with the GOP and really don't care what it thinks about Trump. Okay.

So here's my question: Would you mind if the "establishment" ran and backed a more moderate Republican, like a Romney or a Ryan or a Rubio, and ran them third party?
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If Trump supporters are against the GOP, why don't they LEAVE THE GOP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

Wait, they don't have the brain to leave?

Because they know they need the GOP's massive infrastructure.

They can't leave. But how they co-exist with the "establishment" is a mystery.
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[Correll]

He is not real polished, or just speaks his mind, and what everyone is really thinking but are too PC to say so. Considering the majority of your posts have dealt with being PC one would think that someone so non-PC would inspire you. Or maybe that is the problem, you think he should be more PC and all your post bitchin' about being PC were BS.

Kinda funny, that something Rubio brought up about Trump and Rubio is forgotten.

I see a difference between PC's attempt to strangle open conversation and forgiving a major presidential candidate for acting like he's 15. "Hey, cool, he's talking about his dick in a major, nationally-televised debate, I love the way he's not PC". Holy crap. He's certainly welcome to behave that way, and I certainly wouldn't try to silence him.

What is on his mind appears to be polls, insulting people, his hurt feelings, rambling stream of consciousness, manic hyperbole and playing to the crowd. All I'm saying is I don't get the attraction, and I can understand why more moderate Republicans don't either.
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I don't even know what he supposedly said about his dick but what I heard it was in response to what Rubio had said. That's what is so great about the situation, Trump says crap like that, you folks get your shorts in a knot and he just wins bigger. I really don't think you are getting what the Trump phenomena is all about.

But, why don't you write him a letter and tell him you think he should be more PC.

Why should the Republicans run more moderate candidates? McCain might as well be a democrat and Romney is not far behind.

Oh, we "get" the Trump "phenomena". Why do you think we have so little respect for it?

The fact that you people can't tell the difference between "politically incorrect" and "repulsively offensive and trashy" is just the tip of the iceberg, Captain Titanic.

That you don't get that Politically Correct is the problem and Trump is the solution is the whole of the Arctic ice pack.

Right, sweetie. Because I'm such a model of politically correct newspeak and so terribly afraid of ever saying anything that might offend someone. I'm practically teaching a Gender Studies class at Berkeley, over here.

The only thing Trump is a "solution" to is civilized, mature intelligence, but you'll excuse me if I didn't consider that a problem.

Maybe you aren't.

Our leadership is.

And all the real solutions, that this nation needs, like Deporting the Illegals, have been made Taboo, and are NOT going to get done by any of the rest of the pack.

None of them.

 

[Correll]

Your not well like. Maybe you are not deserving of an answer.

Could be, but it's a pertinent question. I'm just trying to figure out exactly why the GOP hates Trump so much.

Not all of the GOP, mostly it's the establishment.

For instance Limbaugh and O'Reilly are friends with Trump. On the other hand, Michael Medved and Beck hate Trump and don't hide it. Trump is dividing the party even more so and the establishment is upset by this. They were hoping the TP would just fade away and now Trump is reigniting it.

In one regard, though, Trump is a uniter. Disgust and loathing for him are damned near the only thing that conservatives, independents, AND liberals have been able to agree on for as long as I can remember.

And yet the polls show him in striking distance of HIllary.

Almost as though there is a huge portion of the nation that you don't know and have never heard from nor even considered....

Which polls would that be? Rasmussen, which has Hillary over Trump, 41 to 36? Fox, which has 47 to 42 in favor of Hillary? Quinnipiac, which shows Trump as the only GOP candidate who doesn't beat Hillary head-to-head? Vegas bookmakers, who show the betting odds on Hillary are 64%?

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. We automatically discount any polling system that doesn't give the right answer as "biased" and "tools of the establishment". So the only polls that are valid are the ones that give Trump what he wants to hear . . . whoever those polls are.

Yes. That sounds like striking distance to me.

And imo, his message is the one most likely to appeal to people on the other side of the party line.

 

[Correll]

And what does that say about THEM?

The policies that Trump is pushing, what is so radical or dangerous about them?

Answer: NOthing.

That they are having such a hissy fit because Trump is not one of them, speaks volumes about them more than it does about Trump or his supporters.

Well, maybe they're factoring his behavior into this.
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So he's uncouth and that's reason to throw the election?

LIke I said, you are asking the wrong question.

This is not about what is wrong with Trump, this is about what is wrong with the GOP Establishment.

Do they think that having HIllary define the Court for the next generation is a good thing?

If they don't have a problem with a Democrat President, then why the hell have they taken on the job of supposedly fighting against that?

IT IS THEIR JOB TO WIN ELECTIONS.

Have you considered that they think Trump would be just as bad as Hillary, just in his own Trump-y ways?

It is obvious from their actions, they consider Trump to be WORSE than HIllary.

Which raises all kinds of questions about why they are in their positions, if that is the case.

For example, Trump as President cannot appoint someone worse than Hillary to the COurt.

For Hillary will nominate a Leftist who will flip the court to the Left with all that implies.

Trump CANNOT do any worse than that. He cannot take the Court in a whole NEW direction that is worse than Left.

He won't be adding his appointments to an existing large minority on the COurt.

I have trouble seeing any validity to their POV.

Well, that's certainly an interesting tautology and set of Miss Cleo predictions. You've set up a nice little echo chamber for yourself there.

Tell me again how you feel the disrespect directed at you is unjustified.

Err, do you doubt that Hillary or Sanders would nominate liberals to the Court?

What, in this specific example could Trump do that would be worse than what they would do, from a pov of the GOP establishment?

 

[frigidweirdo]

From what I'm hearing, the GOP establishment is trying to downplay the possibility of a brokered convention. Surely they know it would cause a huge revolt within their own party. And regardless, there's nothing they can do if he gets the required votes.

Also, Trump's supporters have made it pretty clear that they've had it with the GOP and really don't care what it thinks about Trump. Okay.

So here's my question: Would you mind if the "establishment" ran and backed a more moderate Republican, like a Romney or a Ryan or a Rubio, and ran them third party?
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If Trump supporters are against the GOP, why don't they LEAVE THE GOP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

Wait, they don't have the brain to leave?

Because they know they need the GOP's massive infrastructure.

They can't leave. But how they co-exist with the "establishment" is a mystery.
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And people will only vote for what they're told to vote for, and that involves lots of advertising. US politics is a massive mess.

PR is needed so more parties can represent the people, instead of this one size fits all type nonsense.

In November, vote 3rd party.

 

[Correll]

I don't listen to right wing radio, I only know Trump doesn't always agree and support the direction republicans have made in the past, such as Iraq. Trump is not afraid to say where the republicans went wrong. Because he is so vocal about that in being his own voice, politicians from among the establishment are saying he is not a worthy candidate to represent the party.

"Establishment" Republican politicians say he's not a worthy politician because he calls POWs losers, mocks a handicapped reporters, says a woman can't be elected because she's ugly, ruminates that he'd like to punch someone in the face, calls Mexicans rapists and drug mules, says a woman isn't doing her job because she's menstruating, states that he wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country including Americans of that religion, traffics in bizarre conspiracy theories, brings up Hillary's bathroom habits, threaten people who criticize him, threaten the Speaker of the House if he doesn't co-operate with you, call critics "losers," take several days before condemning the KKK, pretend you don't know David Duke, tells companies to go fuck themselves, talk about his manhood on stage, and so on.

He was in an heated exchange with John McCain that McCain started and he insulted McCain BACK.

You don't understand the rules, Correll. They can attack Trump but Trump is NOT allowed to attack them back.

So this is the new meme: Trump was just standing there, mute, like an innocent little lamb, when the big bad mean people came along and attacked him and he had no choice but to respond.

John McCain was quite rude to him, as far as I know, completely without personal provocation.

You are the one out of touch with reality.

 

[Mac1958]

From what I'm hearing, the GOP establishment is trying to downplay the possibility of a brokered convention. Surely they know it would cause a huge revolt within their own party. And regardless, there's nothing they can do if he gets the required votes.

Also, Trump's supporters have made it pretty clear that they've had it with the GOP and really don't care what it thinks about Trump. Okay.

So here's my question: Would you mind if the "establishment" ran and backed a more moderate Republican, like a Romney or a Ryan or a Rubio, and ran them third party?
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If Trump supporters are against the GOP, why don't they LEAVE THE GOP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

Wait, they don't have the brain to leave?

Because they know they need the GOP's massive infrastructure.

They can't leave. But how they co-exist with the "establishment" is a mystery.
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And people will only vote for what they're told to vote for, and that involves lots of advertising. US politics is a massive mess.

PR is needed so more parties can represent the people, instead of this one size fits all type nonsense.

In November, vote 3rd party.

When you add the amount of people who have had it, and who are looking at people like Trump and Sanders, that number is clearly growing. Great.

The problem, of course, is finding a mix of issue positions that could unite them. Good luck on that one.
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[Conservative65]

From what I'm hearing, the GOP establishment is trying to downplay the possibility of a brokered convention. Surely they know it would cause a huge revolt within their own party. And regardless, there's nothing they can do if he gets the required votes.

Also, Trump's supporters have made it pretty clear that they've had it with the GOP and really don't care what it thinks about Trump. Okay.

So here's my question: Would you mind if the "establishment" ran and backed a more moderate Republican, like a Romney or a Ryan or a Rubio, and ran them third party?
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Of course we would. They insisted that Trump support the Republican nominee, whoever he was. Running an independent would be a stab in the back.

Didn't the establishment want all Republican candidates to sign something saying they wouldn't run as an independent if they didn't get the nomination?

 

[frigidweirdo]

From what I'm hearing, the GOP establishment is trying to downplay the possibility of a brokered convention. Surely they know it would cause a huge revolt within their own party. And regardless, there's nothing they can do if he gets the required votes.

Also, Trump's supporters have made it pretty clear that they've had it with the GOP and really don't care what it thinks about Trump. Okay.

So here's my question: Would you mind if the "establishment" ran and backed a more moderate Republican, like a Romney or a Ryan or a Rubio, and ran them third party?
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If Trump supporters are against the GOP, why don't they LEAVE THE GOP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

Wait, they don't have the brain to leave?

Because they know they need the GOP's massive infrastructure.

They can't leave. But how they co-exist with the "establishment" is a mystery.
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And people will only vote for what they're told to vote for, and that involves lots of advertising. US politics is a massive mess.

PR is needed so more parties can represent the people, instead of this one size fits all type nonsense.

In November, vote 3rd party.

When you add the amount of people who have had it, and who are looking at people like Trump and Sanders, that number is clearly growing. Great.

The problem, of course, is finding a mix of issue positions that could unite them. Good luck on that one.
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Yes, finding people with a mix of issues is hard, but right now you have two parties and people will vote for one party based on a few core issues. Add in 4 or 5 or 6 parties and then the core issues can separate, maybe you could have three conservative parties that have different core issues, or different ways of interpreting those core issues.

That's what happens in Germany.

You have the normal right and left parties at the top, then a left and center right party below, with a few others mixed in.

 

[healthmyths]

Donald Trump drives GOP’s record turnout; Democrats lack enthusiasm
The strong GOP showings Tuesday follow record turnout in the first four contests: Republican turnout in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada was up 27 percent compared to 2012.

By contrast Democrats’ turnout is down 25 percent compared to their record-setting 2008 campaign, when then-candidate Barack Obama faced off against Hillary Clinton, who is trying again this year.
Turnout has been strong for Republicans across the board. Iowa, which kicked off the campaign season, saw a 50 percent increase for Republicans over their previous record. Indeed, turnout was so high that Mr. Trump and Sen. Marco Rubio, the second- and third-place finishers, got enough votes that they would have won in any previous year.
Donald Trump drives Republican turnout to record; Democrats lack enthusiasm

So if more people are voting GOP and less people for Dems to me and others this is because some Democrats are voting in GOP as they don't have any choices with the criminal or the bum.
Now probably that's because some Dems are not wasting their primary votes as they KNOW the criminal or the bum is who they want the cross over just to screw up the
pundits....BUT there are also some people truly turned off by the Dems record in the last 7 years and want a change that they see the GOP can offer.

 

[hadit]

If they did that wouldn't that be like saying there is no Republican party? and voters really do not count?

They're shitting bricks. It's beginning to look like they'd rather lose the general than back Trump. So outside of just bending over and taking it, this would be their only option.
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I don't get it. Trump is saying exactly the same things that right wingers have been saying for years. I would think they should love having Trump for the nominee.

Trump is not a conservative.