Raise Taxes or Cut Waste?

[thereisnospoon]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

Apparently we have to remind you again how many Democrats voted for the Iraq war, eat it.

Less than voted against it. But it was about giving President Bush the decider. If Iraq posed a continuing threat to us, (the worlds remaining superpower), or if they were involved in the 911 attacks. Neither were true.

No excuses. Those gentlemen and gentleladies voted FOR it...Period. Done. End of story. No "yeah buts".

Bush lied and thousands died plus we lost trillions.....

You go ahead and keep repeating your mantra. Take two of these every 4 hours. If your symptoms persist( inability to step away from lib talking points) please take 4 of these every two hours

 

[thereisnospoon]

HUH?...Who said anything about revenue?

To dumb to get the FALSE premise that over 50% of spending goes to 'social' spending, yet over 40% of federal revenues ARE for social spending SPECIFICALLY? lol

What, do you want fucking start some personal shit here? Look, pal I didn't call you any names or insult you.
Best advice I can give here is don't fuck with me.

Wow...I post a link stating what WAS spent and how it was spent.. You posted a link for a presidential proposal....

Do you HONESTLY 'think' (and from your posts, no you don't) the proposal and budget are off by more than 1% total? lol


MoRoooooN

By MILES.....Because what is proposed and what is actually spent( what do you think CR's are for) are never the same. In fact, that is why the debt ceiling has to be increased. That is also why the deficit continues to outpace even the interest on the debt.
Why is it you are arguing. You people ADORE social programs. You should be clapping for joy like a trained seal who just got fed a herring

 

[thereisnospoon]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

Apparently we have to remind you again how many Democrats voted for the Iraq war, eat it.

Less than voted against it. But it was about giving President Bush the decider. If Iraq posed a continuing threat to us, (the worlds remaining superpower), or if they were involved in the 911 attacks. Neither were true.

No excuses. Those gentlemen and gentleladies voted FOR it...Period. Done. End of story. No "yeah buts".

I don't get what you Repubs think you are gaining when you talk about how some Dems bought the bullshit the Bush and Co. were selling in the effort to go to war. Every day people like you claim how stupid the Democrats are. And here they put their stupidity on display by voting FOR war with Iraq. And you claim their stupid vote as your own. But act like it means something. It means these Dems were as stupid as the Repubs who voted for it.
And you support the Repubs but not the Dems. Seems like you should hold the Dems up as some sort of fine patriots for helping the Repubs in getting us into that Iraq war.

It's funny as shit and makes no sense.

As PT Barmun said (at least I think It was PT) there is a sucker born every minute. And the vote for the war in Iraq was full of suckers. Just like you were sucked into supporting a bullshit war of invasion. Sold to us by Bush and CO..Voted for by both Dems and Repubs. Stupidity strikes again.

Because you libs think all of your fellow libs are infallible

 

[thereisnospoon]

Dear bleeding heart conservatives

What a load of crap....Boo fucking hoo hoo....Cry me a fucking river.
Look, who MADE the kids? Why is it everyone else's responsibility to feed their kids when they can do so themselves with a little bit of effort?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?

Contain your irrational hatred of the 'rich' lib.

If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest....

"If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest...."


Sure, THEY'LL JUST PUT IT UNDER THEIR MATTRESSES RIGHT? lol



STUDY: These Charts Show There's Almost No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP

These Charts Show There s Probably No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP - Business Insider


Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth (or not)

If you read the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal (or surf around the nether regions of Forbes.com), you may come to the conclusion that no aspect of tax policy is more important for economic growth than the way we tax capital gains. You’d be wrong

Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth or not - Forbes

Successful Americans didn't make their money themselves. They conducted business in an ordered society with roads and laws and a military that defends it from foreign invaders and they hired people. Nobody wants YOUR money, they want the share they contributed to it



Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

Yeah yeah yeah....Share? Define "share"....This ought to be good.
Hey sunshine....Do you know what the terms and conditions of employment are?

 

[SwimExpert]

Dear bleeding heart conservatives

Instead of giving them food stamps, how about we eliminate their income taxes? That way they'll have more money in their paycheck to use to buy food for their families.

 

[g5000]

Raise taxes on the rich, tax college savings, raise gasoline taxes, and cut social programs? Or, cut the enormous waste that we all know should be cut? Or, should we do a combination of both? If your answer is to cut waste, what are the most obvious areas of waste that you would cut? If your answer is to raise taxes, what taxes would you increase? Or, what new taxes would you add? If your answer is to raise taxes, where would you use the new revenue? If your answer is to cut waste, where would you use the savings?

1. Ban all tax expenditures. BAM! You just increased revenues by $1.2 trillion a year. HUGE annual surplus on your hands. What do you want to do with it? Lower taxes for everyone across the board AND pay down the federal debt? That's what I would do.

2. Raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, then index to 9 percent of the population going forward. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

3. Cut Defense spending to Cold War levels. We are spending, in real dollars, more than we spent during the coldest years of the Cold War. We have not spent this much since World War II, and we are not in a World War. And during the Cold War, we faced an actual existential threat. We do not today.

These three things alone would provide such a massive surplus, we could cut tax rates for everyone and pay off the federal debt in no time.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?

Contain your irrational hatred of the 'rich' lib.

If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest....

"If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest...."


Sure, THEY'LL JUST PUT IT UNDER THEIR MATTRESSES RIGHT? lol



STUDY: These Charts Show There's Almost No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP

These Charts Show There s Probably No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP - Business Insider


Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth (or not)

If you read the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal (or surf around the nether regions of Forbes.com), you may come to the conclusion that no aspect of tax policy is more important for economic growth than the way we tax capital gains. You’d be wrong

Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth or not - Forbes

Successful Americans didn't make their money themselves. They conducted business in an ordered society with roads and laws and a military that defends it from foreign invaders and they hired people. Nobody wants YOUR money, they want the share they contributed to it



Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

Do you see THIS.....Google Maps
See the big white thing in the middle of the image?
THAT represents a wealthy person giving back to his community.
The person the paid for this did so when he heard the town needed an indoor rec facility for the winter months because kids needed a place to practice and have contests.
So he donated the land and PAID FOR the entire facility. The dome can fit two full soccer/football fields. And is almost 80 feet inside height at the center. I have been inside. it has three softball fields one baseball field. one football/soccer field.
The only string attached was that the facility could not be closed or the l;and sold for a set period of time.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Dear bleeding heart conservatives

Instead of giving them food stamps, how about we eliminate their income taxes? That way they'll have more money in their paycheck to use to buy food for their families.

Oh no...You cant do THAT....That would mean the able bodied would have to........GASP......Work....OMG

 

[Dad2three]

To dumb to get the FALSE premise that over 50% of spending goes to 'social' spending, yet over 40% of federal revenues ARE for social spending SPECIFICALLY? lol

What, do you want fucking start some personal shit here? Look, pal I didn't call you any names or insult you.
Best advice I can give here is don't fuck with me.

Wow...I post a link stating what WAS spent and how it was spent.. You posted a link for a presidential proposal....

Do you HONESTLY 'think' (and from your posts, no you don't) the proposal and budget are off by more than 1% total? lol


MoRoooooN

By MILES.....Because what is proposed and what is actually spent( what do you think CR's are for) are never the same. In fact, that is why the debt ceiling has to be increased. That is also why the deficit continues to outpace even the interest on the debt.
Why is it you are arguing. You people ADORE social programs. You should be clapping for joy like a trained seal who just got fed a herring

Oh I know, I should believe a right winger BECAUSE you Klowns have such a good history of being correct?


NO PRESIDENTIAL BUDGET IN 40+ YEARS HAS BEEN OFF BY 1% OF WHAT CONGRESS ACTUALLY BUDGETED. NONE

I gave you the actual breakdown, since YOUR posit is it's wrong, how about PROVING IT? lol

ACTUAL SPENDING F/Y ENDING SEPT 30TH 2013



Feb. 29, 2012


On Feb. 13, President Obama released his fiscal year 2013 budget proposal, which includes $3.67 trillion in new spending.

President Obama s Fiscal Year 2013 Budget

Let's see how close outlays were to Obama's proposal


$3,603 trillion???

Monthly Budget Review Summary for Fiscal Year 2013 Congressional Budget Office

YOUR premise was over 50% of the budget was 'social' funding, when over 40% of federal revenues is directly funded by Medicare/SS which is SUPPOSED to fund those programs, DUMMY, lol

 

[Dad2three]

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?

If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest....

"If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest...."


Sure, THEY'LL JUST PUT IT UNDER THEIR MATTRESSES RIGHT? lol



STUDY: These Charts Show There's Almost No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP

These Charts Show There s Probably No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP - Business Insider


Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth (or not)

If you read the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal (or surf around the nether regions of Forbes.com), you may come to the conclusion that no aspect of tax policy is more important for economic growth than the way we tax capital gains. You’d be wrong

Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth or not - Forbes

Successful Americans didn't make their money themselves. They conducted business in an ordered society with roads and laws and a military that defends it from foreign invaders and they hired people. Nobody wants YOUR money, they want the share they contributed to it



Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

Yeah yeah yeah....Share? Define "share"....This ought to be good.
Hey sunshine....Do you know what the terms and conditions of employment are?

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

 

[TooTall]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

I guess you think Bush should have negotiated with Osama bin laden and got him to promise not to do it again. Am I right?

 

[Dad2three]

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?

If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest....

"If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest...."


Sure, THEY'LL JUST PUT IT UNDER THEIR MATTRESSES RIGHT? lol



STUDY: These Charts Show There's Almost No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP

These Charts Show There s Probably No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP - Business Insider


Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth (or not)

If you read the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal (or surf around the nether regions of Forbes.com), you may come to the conclusion that no aspect of tax policy is more important for economic growth than the way we tax capital gains. You’d be wrong

Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth or not - Forbes

Successful Americans didn't make their money themselves. They conducted business in an ordered society with roads and laws and a military that defends it from foreign invaders and they hired people. Nobody wants YOUR money, they want the share they contributed to it



Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

Do you see THIS.....Google Maps
See the big white thing in the middle of the image?
THAT represents a wealthy person giving back to his community.
The person the paid for this did so when he heard the town needed an indoor rec facility for the winter months because kids needed a place to practice and have contests.
So he donated the land and PAID FOR the entire facility. The dome can fit two full soccer/football fields. And is almost 80 feet inside height at the center. I have been inside. it has three softball fields one baseball field. one football/soccer field.
The only string attached was that the facility could not be closed or the l;and sold for a set period of time.

AND? LOL


You wing nuts are STUPID


I do not know which makes a man more conservative — to know nothing but the present, or nothing but the past. John Maynard Keynes






Conservatives simplistic minds

If you are rich it is because of your merits. If you are poor its because of your faults.


Why Thomas Jefferson Favored Profit Sharing
By David Cay Johnston

The founders, despite decades of rancorous disagreements about almost every other aspect of their grand experiment, agreed that America would survive and thrive only if there was widespread ownership of land and businesses.

George Washington, nine months before his inauguration as the first president, predicted that America "will be the most favorable country of any kind in the world for persons of industry and frugality, possessed of moderate capital, to inhabit." And, he continued, "it will not be less advantageous to the happiness of the lowest class of people, because of the equal distribution of property."

The second president, John Adams, feared "monopolies of land" would destroy the nation and that a business aristocracy born of inequality would manipulate voters, creating "a system of subordination to all... The capricious will of one or a very few" dominating the rest. Unless constrained, Adams wrote, "the rich and the proud" would wield economic and political power that "will destroy all the equality and liberty, with the consent and acclamations of the people themselves."

James Madison, the Constitution's main author, described inequality as an evil, saying government should prevent "an immoderate, and especially unmerited, accumulation of riches." He favored "the silent operation of laws which, without violating the rights of property, reduce extreme wealth towards a state of mediocrity, and raise extreme indigents towards a state of comfort."


Alexander Hamilton, who championed manufacturing and banking as the first Treasury secretary, also argued for widespread ownership of assets, warning in 1782 that, "whenever a discretionary power is lodged in any set of men over the property of their neighbors, they will abuse it."

Late in life, Adams, pessimistic about whether the republic would endure, wrote that the goal of the democratic government was not to help the wealthy and powerful but to achieve "the greatest happiness for the greatest number."



http://www.newsweek.com/2014/02/07/why-thomas-jefferson-favored-profit-sharing-245454.html


Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory


The conclusion?

Lowering the tax rates on the wealthy and top earners in America do not appear to have any impact on the nation’s economic growth.

This paragraph from the report says it all—

“The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie. However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution.”

Non-Partisan Congressional Tax Report Debunks Core Conservative Economic Theory-GOP Suppresses Study - Forbes

 

[Dad2three]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

I guess you think Bush should have negotiated with Osama bin laden and got him to promise not to do it again. Am I right?

Yeah, because Osama is who he's talking about NOT Iraq, lol


Osama? Oh right the guy Dubya cared about but the righties made fun of Obama for saying he'd go into another nation to get him

 

[Dad2three]

Dear bleeding heart conservatives

Instead of giving them food stamps, how about we eliminate their income taxes? That way they'll have more money in their paycheck to use to buy food for their families.

Oh no...You cant do THAT....That would mean the able bodied would have to........GASP......Work....OMG

Once more since YOU are soooo slow


Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households


Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

Contrary to Entitlement Society Rhetoric Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly Disabled or Working Households mdash Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[Siete]

We should not be funding wasteful unnecessary wars like that ass wipe Bush got us into ...what a waste of trillions eh conservatives ....way to go ....

I guess you think Bush should have negotiated with Osama bin laden and got him to promise not to do it again. Am I right?

Bush is on record saying he didn't care where Bin Laden was.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?

"If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest...."


Sure, THEY'LL JUST PUT IT UNDER THEIR MATTRESSES RIGHT? lol



STUDY: These Charts Show There's Almost No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP

These Charts Show There s Probably No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP - Business Insider


Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth (or not)

If you read the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal (or surf around the nether regions of Forbes.com), you may come to the conclusion that no aspect of tax policy is more important for economic growth than the way we tax capital gains. You’d be wrong

Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth or not - Forbes

Successful Americans didn't make their money themselves. They conducted business in an ordered society with roads and laws and a military that defends it from foreign invaders and they hired people. Nobody wants YOUR money, they want the share they contributed to it



Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

Yeah yeah yeah....Share? Define "share"....This ought to be good.
Hey sunshine....Do you know what the terms and conditions of employment are?

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

Straw man...No one has even come close to laissez faire. No mention of it whatsoever.

 

[Dad2three]

Why do you feel entitled to other peoples money?

"If you punish people for investing like the left wants to do all the time by raising the tax on capital gains
those that have money will not invest...."


Sure, THEY'LL JUST PUT IT UNDER THEIR MATTRESSES RIGHT? lol



STUDY: These Charts Show There's Almost No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP

These Charts Show There s Probably No Correlation Between Tax Rates and GDP - Business Insider


Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth (or not)

If you read the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal (or surf around the nether regions of Forbes.com), you may come to the conclusion that no aspect of tax policy is more important for economic growth than the way we tax capital gains. You’d be wrong

Capital Gains Tax Rates and Economic Growth or not - Forbes

Successful Americans didn't make their money themselves. They conducted business in an ordered society with roads and laws and a military that defends it from foreign invaders and they hired people. Nobody wants YOUR money, they want the share they contributed to it



Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father, American diplomat, statesman, and scientist; letter to Robert Morris, December 25, 1783:

"All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it."

Yeah yeah yeah....Share? Define "share"....This ought to be good.
Hey sunshine....Do you know what the terms and conditions of employment are?

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith


In 1980 the top 1% earned 8.5% of total income. In 2007 they earned 23%.

In 1980 the bottom 90% earned 68% of total income. In 2007 they earned 53%.

Summary of Latest Federal Income Tax Data Tax Foundation

GOV'T POLICY MATTERS !!!

Keynes wrote "The End of Laissez Faire" in 1926. He was correct then, and his insight remains more valid than any economics that conservative Libertarians propound ad infinitum and ad nauseum. Laissez Faire is nothing more than a childish Christmas wish of no substance; just hope and myth, and smoke and mirrors. Fails every time we try even the tiniest bit.

Straw man...No one has even come close to laissez faire. No mention of it whatsoever.

True, the closest the US has come in modern times is the 1920's, 1980's (Ronnie's S&L crisis) and Dubya's subprime bubble. Weird right? 3 of the times the US has experienced HUGE bank failures, the guys who 'believe in' less Gov't and less regulations were in charge. Coincidence right? lol

 

[OnePercenter]

The best thing that could ever happen, the amazing eye opener would be instead of a payroll deduction performed by the employer, that say once per month or even quarterly every wage earner had to write a check and send it to the federal government or pay on line....Then we'd have 150 million people wanting to ( in a figurative sense) light a fire to the US Capitol and joyfully watch it burn.

Or we can fix the problem.


-Base Federal tax or corporations at 30% of revenue.

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2013 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-off’s/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees with the Feds refunding city, State, and fees.

-Companies with 400 employees or less, employee expenses above the deduction are subsidized at 100% with funds usually give back to the States.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2013 price structure.

-Remove the FICA limit.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 10 years which will eliminate inflation.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

-Make inversion illegal.

 

[Flopper]

A huge portion of what you pay in taxes goes to prevent fraud and to insure that money is spent as congress intended. The amount of money spent on documentation and duplication of work is almost beyond belief. This is one of the reasons government is so costly. It can't operate like the private sector. In the federal government you can't buy from a merchant just because you know he has the best price and quality. There must exist some documented basis for the decision such as a bid. A social worker can't give food to hungry children just because they're hungry. Documentation must be collected on earnings and assets of the parents. There has to be validation and periodic reviews. In short government is expensive because it must operate under a ridge set of rules and laws. If those regulations and laws are responsible for the waste employees can't just ignore them and it's extremely difficult to get them changed.

This is a fine argument for why we should assign societal services to the government only when truly necessary. When it's really worth the extra cost.

I think one thing that can save an awfully lot of money is do more contracting to the private sector while reserving functions for government that really should be done by government.

You don't need to "contract" to the private sector. This is a truly horrible trend. It's essentially the Republican version of "privatization" and results primarily in corporate welfare. It's what has created insanity like privatized prisons and ACA. If we want to avoid the additional expense of government involvement in a public service, all we need to do is get government out of it altogether.

No, I'm not suggesting we privatize primary government functions. I'm suggesting we do contracting of auxiliary functions.
If custodial services, building security, cafeteria services. building maintenance, vehicle maintenance, and other auxiliary services can be done better and cheaper by the private sector, then we should do it. Primary functions such regulation, defense, social welfare, education, law enforce, and other functions that are best done by government should remain government functions.