Re-Evaluating Newt..

[BenNatuf]

read my post about derivitives... you might find out that I do put some blame there. but the problem with the derivitive market is more one of the fact that you don't have to actually hold the security to own the derivitive. I believe this is insane to allow, as it makes the derivitive market less of an insurance market and more of a casino. Suppose for a second the deadbeat borrowers had actually paid the mortgages instead of defaulting? Of what use would owning a derivitive be then? It would just be money spent to insure the security. Change one simple regulation and make it the law that if you hold the derivitive of the security, you must also hold the security. The meme that they "bet" against the loans is a canard, what they did was insure the securities to mitigate thier risk. Are people who buy homeowners insurance betting thier house will burn down?

You're dodging the point. The people with no jobs and no income and no assets could not pay back the loans. Both parties knew it-so why are you blaming the people with the least power in the situation?

too funny. People lying to borrow money are not less culpable than the people who accept the lies to loan it to them. Especially when government policy encourges them to do so and the government has regulatory authority on thier activity and the governemt through a GSE buys up the instruments to allow them to keep doing it. And, the alternative of not doing it, results in never ending lawsuits, never ending legal complaints to the regulatory authority, and a never ending army of regulators interfering in your business.

Your description of burning the house down is apt. We both know that yes, sometimes people buy insurance and then burn their house down. That's what the banksters did. There are people involved who have admitted that they were instructed to seek out bad risks, for exactly that reason.

and a simple change in regulation requiring that if you own the derivitive you must also hold the instrument would put an end to it as it would no longer be profittable, too many bad loans and the "insurer" would demand a higher risk premium. Who's responsibility is it to regulate? And yet you want to hold the government harmless, the deadbeats harmless, F&F harmless, and just about anyone else harmless unless they are a bankster. The simple fact is it was not deregulation that allowed the banks to do this, it was malregulation. It's OK though... you've found your Jews. Perhaps if you keep your boot on their neck long enough they'll learn to be good Jews.

 

[Synthaholic]

There once was a rep named Newt ...
Who wore a nice blue suit ...
Along came a whore,
and he chose a divorce ...
So now to the White House he's enroute.

I hate to mess with your very first post, but I would change it to:


There once was a huckster named Newt ...
Who always wore a nice suit ...
Along came a whore,
Who he left his wife for ...
His White House dreams are ka-poot!


Welcome!

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Newt is a convicted liar and cheat. He could never beat Obama.

Barry's friends with a domestic terrorist and has lied his ass off his entire Presidency.. LOL If that's your standard, you better go bury your head in the sand and vote for no one.

liar.

1) What was newt convicted of again, got a link?

2) Ayers: The Day I Bombed The Pentagon | Sweetness & Light <---written by William Ayers.

snopes.com: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers <----ayers/obama relationship.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

There once was a rep named Newt ...
Who wore a nice blue suit ...
Along came a whore,
and he chose a divorce ...
So now to the White House he's enroute.

Too bad Newts wife started the divorce proceedings BEFORE Newt met that woman....truth sucks for you

 

[Faun]

Barry's friends with a domestic terrorist and has lied his ass off his entire Presidency.. LOL If that's your standard, you better go bury your head in the sand and vote for no one.

liar.

1) What was newt convicted of again, got a link?

2) Ayers: The Day I Bombed The Pentagon | Sweetness & Light <---written by William Ayers.

snopes.com: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers <----ayers/obama relationship.

There was no "relationship." They sat on a board together.

 

[Faun]

There once was a rep named Newt ...
Who wore a nice blue suit ...
Along came a whore,
and he chose a divorce ...
So now to the White House he's enroute.

Too bad Newts wife started the divorce proceedings BEFORE Newt met that woman....truth sucks for you

Nice of you to defend a cheater, but even Newt calls it an "affair." To make it worse, his marriage ended while his wife was recovering [from] cancer surgery. He dumped his second wife after she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, who he also cheated on.

Apparently, "till death do you part," for Newt really means until you get sick and I find someone younger, hotter, and healthier.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

liar.

1) What was newt convicted of again, got a link?

2) Ayers: The Day I Bombed The Pentagon | Sweetness & Light <---written by William Ayers.

snopes.com: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers <----ayers/obama relationship.

There was no "relationship." They sat on a board together.

Visitor Access Records | The White House

ok if you say so I'm just not sure why he would be invited to visit the white house if they didn't know each other more than just as passing acquaintances.

 

[Faun]

1) What was newt convicted of again, got a link?

2) Ayers: The Day I Bombed The Pentagon | Sweetness & Light <---written by William Ayers.

snopes.com: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers <----ayers/obama relationship.

There was no "relationship." They sat on a board together.

Visitor Access Records | The White House

ok if you say so I'm just not sure why he would be invited to visit the white house if they didn't know each other more than just as passing acquaintances.

That's quite a story you're making up there. Ayers was invited to the White House?? Date, please?

Why did you link that list of White House visitors? Ayers's name is not on it. Even if it was, that doesn't prove he was invited, doesn't prove he met the president, doesn't prove Obama was even at the White House at the time.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

There was no "relationship." They sat on a board together.

Visitor Access Records | The White House

ok if you say so I'm just not sure why he would be invited to visit the white house if they didn't know each other more than just as passing acquaintances.

That's quite a story you're making up there. Ayers was invited to the White House?? Date, please?

Why did you link that list of White House visitors? Ayers's name is not on it. Even if it was, that doesn't prove he was invited, doesn't prove he met the president, doesn't prove Obama was even at the White House at the time.

This post shows the lengths liberals will go to , TO LIE and cover up the truth in regard to their leaders and their agenda. Bill Ayers is on the WHITE HOUSE visitors list NUMEROUS times. It's been reported by many media outlets.. already we see the liberal in this thread making up lies and what ifs to cover up his first lie.. it's actually a rather pathological behavior that most hardened criminals display.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Visitor Access Records | The White House

ok if you say so I'm just not sure why he would be invited to visit the white house if they didn't know each other more than just as passing acquaintances.

That's quite a story you're making up there. Ayers was invited to the White House?? Date, please?

Why did you link that list of White House visitors? Ayers's name is not on it. Even if it was, that doesn't prove he was invited, doesn't prove he met the president, doesn't prove Obama was even at the White House at the time.

This post shows the lengths liberals will go to , TO LIE and cover up the truth in regard to their leaders and their agenda. Bill Ayers is on the WHITE HOUSE visitors list NUMEROUS times. It's been reported by many media outlets.. already we see the liberal in this thread making up lies and what ifs to cover up his first lie.. it's actually a rather pathological behavior that most hardened criminals display.

I don't think the previous poster noticed the archives below the list of visitors, check all the links below for proof of multiple visits.

Oh wait I get it it was a "different" William Ayers, right?

 

[Foxfyre]

Back in the late summer of 2009, the leftist media was falling all over itself to show how transparent the Obama Administration is in posting its visitor list. Of course White House visitor lists have always been in the public domain, but I suppose this is the first time they have been posted on the White House website or whatever.

Anyhow, to keep the record honest, at that time there was no evidence that THE infamous Bill Ayers had been invited to or had visited the White House. There was a Bill Ayers on the visitor list but a different Bill Ayers according to the leftist media.

Of course there is no way for us common folk to know if ALL the White House visitors are included on the list, and probably no seriously compelling reason for us to know as long as that information is available to somebody in authority. But to be fair to the President, he at that time had not invited his old friend and colleague from Chicago to the White House.

He, however, cannot shake the historical record that his political career was launched from Bill Ayers living room, that they have a relationship that goes way back, or that he has padded his staff, czar team, etc. etc. with known leftists/Marxist sympathizers/socialists who are not committed to the individual liberty and self governance that the Founders intended us to all have.

Newt, for all his warts and foibles, has never been seriously accused of regularly fraternizing or receiving sweetheart deals from highly questionable and/or notorious characters.

 

[Faun]

Visitor Access Records | The White House

ok if you say so I'm just not sure why he would be invited to visit the white house if they didn't know each other more than just as passing acquaintances.

That's quite a story you're making up there. Ayers was invited to the White House?? Date, please?

Why did you link that list of White House visitors? Ayers's name is not on it. Even if it was, that doesn't prove he was invited, doesn't prove he met the president, doesn't prove Obama was even at the White House at the time.

This post shows the lengths liberals will go to , TO LIE and cover up the truth in regard to their leaders and their agenda. Bill Ayers is on the WHITE HOUSE visitors list NUMEROUS times. It's been reported by many media outlets.. already we see the liberal in this thread making up lies and what ifs to cover up his first lie.. it's actually a rather pathological behavior that most hardened criminals display.

Well I'm looking at the list of names ...

AXELROD, DAVID
AXELROD, SUSAN
AYALA, MIGUEL A
AYALA, MIGUEL
AYERS, DEBORAH S
AYERS, JACQUELINE
AYERS, MARK H
AYON, DAVID
AZAIS, HENRY
AZUARA, YOLANDAARACELI

Where's "WILLIAM AYERS?" Am I missing something here?

 

[Foxfyre]

That's quite a story you're making up there. Ayers was invited to the White House?? Date, please?

Why did you link that list of White House visitors? Ayers's name is not on it. Even if it was, that doesn't prove he was invited, doesn't prove he met the president, doesn't prove Obama was even at the White House at the time.

This post shows the lengths liberals will go to , TO LIE and cover up the truth in regard to their leaders and their agenda. Bill Ayers is on the WHITE HOUSE visitors list NUMEROUS times. It's been reported by many media outlets.. already we see the liberal in this thread making up lies and what ifs to cover up his first lie.. it's actually a rather pathological behavior that most hardened criminals display.

Well I'm looking at the list of names ...

AXELROD, DAVID
AXELROD, SUSAN
AYALA, MIGUEL A
AYALA, MIGUEL
AYERS, DEBORAH S
AYERS, JACQUELINE
AYERS, MARK H
AYON, DAVID
AZAIS, HENRY
AZUARA, YOLANDAARACELI

Where's "WILLIAM AYERS?" Am I missing something here?

According to the media in late summer 2009, the name William Ayers was on the list multiple times. But it was not the Chicago William Ayers. Why is the name not there now? You tell me.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...osts-visitor-lists-is-that-the-bill-ayers-no/

 

[Faun]

That's quite a story you're making up there. Ayers was invited to the White House?? Date, please?

Why did you link that list of White House visitors? Ayers's name is not on it. Even if it was, that doesn't prove he was invited, doesn't prove he met the president, doesn't prove Obama was even at the White House at the time.

This post shows the lengths liberals will go to , TO LIE and cover up the truth in regard to their leaders and their agenda. Bill Ayers is on the WHITE HOUSE visitors list NUMEROUS times. It's been reported by many media outlets.. already we see the liberal in this thread making up lies and what ifs to cover up his first lie.. it's actually a rather pathological behavior that most hardened criminals display.

I don't think the previous poster noticed the archives below the list of visitors, check all the links below for proof of multiple visits.

Oh wait I get it it was a "different" William Ayers, right?

Ok, I see it now. As you pointed out, the name does appear in the file I had to download, though it wasn't in the list on the webopage.

That aside, there are three entries for a "William Ayers"

There's a "William A Ayers", a "William G Ayers", and a "William Ayers." The infamous William Ayers' middle name is "Charles," so the first two are not him. The third one, the one with no middle initial provided, was one person of a group of 224 and the visit was described as "GROUPTOURS."

There's no evidence said "William Ayers" was "invited," at least not by Obama.

There's no evidence said "William Ayers" met Obama.

There's no evidence Obama was even at the White House at the time.

And lastly, even rightwing media dispelled this as a myth ...

No, Bill Ayers didn’t visit the White House

No, Bill Ayers didn’t visit the White House « Hot Air

hotair.com/archives/2009/10/30/no-bill-ayers-didnt-visit-the-white-house

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

This post shows the lengths liberals will go to , TO LIE and cover up the truth in regard to their leaders and their agenda. Bill Ayers is on the WHITE HOUSE visitors list NUMEROUS times. It's been reported by many media outlets.. already we see the liberal in this thread making up lies and what ifs to cover up his first lie.. it's actually a rather pathological behavior that most hardened criminals display.

I don't think the previous poster noticed the archives below the list of visitors, check all the links below for proof of multiple visits.

Oh wait I get it it was a "different" William Ayers, right?

Ok, I see it now. As you pointed out, the name does appear in the file I had to download, though it wasn't in the list on the webopage.

That aside, there are three entries for a "William Ayers"

There's a "William A Ayers", a "William G Ayers", and a "William Ayers." The infamous William Ayers' middle name is "Charles," so the first two are not him. The third one, the one with no middle initial provided, was one person of a group of 224 and the visit was described as "GROUPTOURS."

There's no evidence said "William Ayers" was "invited," at least not by Obama.

There's no evidence said "William Ayers" met Obama.

There's no evidence Obama was even at the White House at the time.

And lastly, even rightwing media dispelled this as a myth ...

No, Bill Ayers didn’t visit the White House

No, Bill Ayers didn’t visit the White House « Hot Air

hotair.com/archives/2009/10/30/no-bill-ayers-didnt-visit-the-white-house

I'll give you credit for actually checking, that is very rare here on USMB....those of us who try to actually verify and check information are the 1%ers of the forum

 

[Faun]

This post shows the lengths liberals will go to , TO LIE and cover up the truth in regard to their leaders and their agenda. Bill Ayers is on the WHITE HOUSE visitors list NUMEROUS times. It's been reported by many media outlets.. already we see the liberal in this thread making up lies and what ifs to cover up his first lie.. it's actually a rather pathological behavior that most hardened criminals display.

Well I'm looking at the list of names ...

AXELROD, DAVID
AXELROD, SUSAN
AYALA, MIGUEL A
AYALA, MIGUEL
AYERS, DEBORAH S
AYERS, JACQUELINE
AYERS, MARK H
AYON, DAVID
AZAIS, HENRY
AZUARA, YOLANDAARACELI

Where's "WILLIAM AYERS?" Am I missing something here?

According to the media in late summer 2009, the name William Ayers was on the list multiple times. But it was not the Chicago William Ayers. Why is the name not there now? You tell me.

White House Posts Visitor Lists

You seem to think there's some sort of "cover up" by his name not appearing on that list. Seems to me, after perusing that list and comparing it to the links below it, the online list is just a short list, perhaps of the more recent visitors.

But even more curious, you appear to already know it wasn't the "terrorist" William Ayers.

 

[Faun]

I don't think the previous poster noticed the archives below the list of visitors, check all the links below for proof of multiple visits.

Oh wait I get it it was a "different" William Ayers, right?

Ok, I see it now. As you pointed out, the name does appear in the file I had to download, though it wasn't in the list on the webopage.

That aside, there are three entries for a "William Ayers"

There's a "William A Ayers", a "William G Ayers", and a "William Ayers." The infamous William Ayers' middle name is "Charles," so the first two are not him. The third one, the one with no middle initial provided, was one person of a group of 224 and the visit was described as "GROUPTOURS."

There's no evidence said "William Ayers" was "invited," at least not by Obama.

There's no evidence said "William Ayers" met Obama.

There's no evidence Obama was even at the White House at the time.

And lastly, even rightwing media dispelled this as a myth ...

No, Bill Ayers didn’t visit the White House

No, Bill Ayers didn’t visit the White House « Hot Air

hotair.com/archives/2009/10/30/no-bill-ayers-didnt-visit-the-white-house

I'll give you credit for actually checking, that is very rare here on USMB....those of us who try to actually verify and check information are the 1%ers of the forum

Well those aren't very good odds.

 

[SAT]

too funny. People lying to borrow money are not less culpable than the people who accept the lies to loan it to them. Especially when government policy encourges them to do so and the government has regulatory authority on thier activity and the governemt through a GSE buys up the instruments to allow them to keep doing it. And, the alternative of not doing it, results in never ending lawsuits, never ending legal complaints to the regulatory authority, and a never ending army of regulators interfering in your business.

No, not equally culpable. The person with the most power is more culpable. That doesn't make the borrower innocent.

The government never told anyone to loan money to people with no jobs and no income. This is simply false. Any "lawsuit" would be tossed out as a joke

Again, we have people on the record explaining how this worked. It had nothing to do with the CRA. This debacle was the fault of the banksters. Not the feds.

 

[BenNatuf]

too funny. People lying to borrow money are not less culpable than the people who accept the lies to loan it to them. Especially when government policy encourges them to do so and the government has regulatory authority on thier activity and the governemt through a GSE buys up the instruments to allow them to keep doing it. And, the alternative of not doing it, results in never ending lawsuits, never ending legal complaints to the regulatory authority, and a never ending army of regulators interfering in your business.

No, not equally culpable. The person with the most power is more culpable. That doesn't make the borrower innocent.

The government never told anyone to loan money to people with no jobs and no income. This is simply false. Any "lawsuit" would be tossed out as a joke

Again, we have people on the record explaining how this worked. It had nothing to do with the CRA. This debacle was the fault of the banksters. Not the feds.

LOL... no, no, no, the amount of power someone has is not reflective of whether or not thier actions are right or wrong... their actions are. You keep running with the class warfare meme though, and remember... blame your jews, do it every day, make sure everyone knows that your jews are every bit as much at fault as the Hitler and Stalins jews were.

 

[SAT]

too funny. People lying to borrow money are not less culpable than the people who accept the lies to loan it to them. Especially when government policy encourges them to do so and the government has regulatory authority on thier activity and the governemt through a GSE buys up the instruments to allow them to keep doing it. And, the alternative of not doing it, results in never ending lawsuits, never ending legal complaints to the regulatory authority, and a never ending army of regulators interfering in your business.

No, not equally culpable. The person with the most power is more culpable. That doesn't make the borrower innocent.

The government never told anyone to loan money to people with no jobs and no income. This is simply false. Any "lawsuit" would be tossed out as a joke

Again, we have people on the record explaining how this worked. It had nothing to do with the CRA. This debacle was the fault of the banksters. Not the feds.

LOL... no, no, no, the amount of power someone has is not reflective of whether or not thier actions are right or wrong... their actions are. You keep running with the class warfare meme though, and remember... blame your jews, do it every day, make sure everyone knows that your jews are every bit as much at fault as the Hitler and Stalins jews were.

Well, that is my opinion..that those with greater power are expected to behave better.

Regardless, the point is that the collapse was not because of the CRA. The collapse was because of risky financial instruments that were not of government origin.