Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.

[jc456]

Trump made NATO stronger by insisting they pay their fair share.

Right, sharing in the pain makes everyone more aware.

 

[HappyJoy]

Europeans were already increasing their defense spending before the Ukraine thing, so you're wrong.

That "Ukraine thing" that I was referencing was the invasion into Crimea which took place two years before TFG. You would know that I was referring to Crimea because I specifically said Crimea and not "the Ukraine thing". What did I say that was wrong?

 

[Clipper]

I highly doubt that Putin would have bothered Ukraine if Trump had not left the WH, NATO was so busy sorting out the internal ranking. In fact, no one notices that the US is not the Alpha dog now. The UK is. You need to thx who is in the WH now.

Cult 101- we must keep a crooked thieving malignant s.o.b. as POTUS because of what Putin might do if we don't.

 

[HappyJoy]

Cult 101- we must keep a crooked thieving malignant s.o.b. as POTUS because of what Putin might do if we don't.

That's pretty much it. Anyone who thinks we have peace but only if a specific person is involved is akin to blackmail more so than actual peace and by design cannot last.

 

[JustAGuy1]

None of your fantasies have anything to do with this thread. NATO stands strong, unlike when Trump was attacking it and praising Putin.

Oh wait, he is still praising Putin...

Attacking it? He made them live up to their NATO monetary agreements.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Cult 101- we must keep a crooked thieving malignant s.o.b. as POTUS because of what Putin might do if we don't.

That is also an apt description of Joe.

 

[HappyJoy]

Attacking it? He made them live up to their NATO monetary agreements.

He didn't make them live up to anything, he didn't have the power. The United States had a view beginning with Obama and carried through to Trump that our NATO allies need to increase their spending on their own defense. Then Crimea happened and those countries began raising their spending on defense.

 

[366h34d]

Cult 101- we must keep a crooked thieving malignant s.o.b. as POTUS because of what Putin might do if we don't.

Maybe you are right. then you are the minority. I guess most people will rather have countries' leaders bad month POTUS and POTUS balloons at their parties than what we are having right now.

 

[JustAGuy1]

He didn't make them live up to anything, he didn't have the power. The United States had a view beginning with Obama and carried through to Trump that our NATO allies need to increase their spending on their own defense. Then Crimea happened and those countries began raising their spending on defense.

You're being stupid now. They didn't start paying more until Rump started in

NATO Allies Now Spend $50 Billion More on Defense Than in 2016​

NATO Allies Now Spend $50 Billion More on Defense Than in 2016

President Donald Trump has placed a significant emphasis on the need for increased defense spending among NATO allies, and the newest data suggests his efforts are paying off.

www.heritage.org

 

[bripat9643]

They're not just sitting there. Realistically what more would you have them do now?

I would have them donate huge amounts of advanced weaponry to Ukraine, like F35 fighters and Abrams tanks.

 

[HappyJoy]

You're being stupid now. They didn't start paying more until Rump started in

NATO Allies Now Spend $50 Billion More on Defense Than in 2016​

NATO Allies Now Spend $50 Billion More on Defense Than in 2016

President Donald Trump has placed a significant emphasis on the need for increased defense spending among NATO allies, and the newest data suggests his efforts are paying off.

www.heritage.org

Heritage, neat. We can never accuse them of taking anything out of context.

As you can see by the graph below NATO countries began increasing their spending years before Trump was in office. Because there already was an ongoing push from the Obama administration. Trump to his credit carried that on but he's not fully responsible for the increase. Also the theft of Crimea had an impact on European NATO members.

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https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2021/6/pdf/210611-pr-2021-094-en.pdf

 

[HappyJoy]

I would have them donate huge amounts of advanced weaponry to Ukraine, like F35 fighters and Abrams tanks.

Tanks probably aren't going to save them. They are slow, easy targets for what are now hand held weapons that can take them out and very, very expensive. Russia should know they've lost quite a few of 'em recently. This is might be the last major war ever fought with tanks.

Who is going to fly the F35s?

 

[jc456]

Cult 101- we must keep a crooked thieving malignant s.o.b. as POTUS because of what Putin might do if we don't.

Four years trump nope ! One year xiden, yep. Your position is stale

 

[BlindBoo]

I place that next to the Russian collusion file.

Yeah everybody was in on it

"My assessment remained consistent throughout. Based on my advice and the advice of the commanders, then Secretary of Defense, Esper, submitted a memorandum on nine November recommending to maintain US forces at a level between about 2500 and 4500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reduction. Two days later on 11, November, 2020, I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than 15, January, 2021."

Gen. Milley: (32:48)
"After further discussions regarding the risks associated with such a withdrawal, the order was rescinded. On 17 November we received a order, to reduce levels to 2,500 plus enabling forces no later than 15 January"

Now denigrate the General on 1, 2, 3,......

 

[jc456]

Yeah everybody was in on it

"My assessment remained consistent throughout. Based on my advice and the advice of the commanders, then Secretary of Defense, Esper, submitted a memorandum on nine November recommending to maintain US forces at a level between about 2500 and 4500 in Afghanistan until conditions were met for further reduction. Two days later on 11, November, 2020, I received an unclassified signed order directing the United States military to withdraw all forces from Afghanistan no later than 15, January, 2021."

Gen. Milley: (32:48)
"After further discussions regarding the risks associated with such a withdrawal, the order was rescinded. On 17 November we received a order, to reduce levels to 2,500 plus enabling forces no later than 15 January"

Now denigrate the General on 1, 2, 3,......

That General is a traitor

 

[BackAgain]

Trump never attacked NATO. He complained that the other nations weren’t pulling their fair share of the weight. It worked too. Now they do. Far more so than they had during the Obumbler years. Thank God Trump had them shape up.

 

[Oldestyle]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com

What an idiotic post! Trump demanding that other NATO allies lived up to their commitments to fund their defenses as they'd promised didn't weaken NATO...it made it stronger! Trump GAVE Stinger missiles and anti tank weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves! Obama gave them blankets. Biden didn't give them anything until now and that's probably too late. The fact of the matter is that Putin was cautious with Trump...he's contemptuous of Biden!

 

[HappyJoy]

What an idiotic post! Trump demanding that other NATO allies lived up to their commitments to fund their defenses as they'd promised didn't weaken NATO...it made it stronger! Trump GAVE Stinger missiles and anti tank weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves! Obama gave them blankets. Biden didn't give them anything until now and that's probably too late. The fact of the matter is that Putin was cautious with Trump...he's contemptuous of Biden!

NATO was already increasing it's funding before Trump was even in office.

He also called NATO obsolete and a relic of the cold war. Not exactly instilling confidence. Anyway, NATO has proven they are relevant.

 

[Mashmont]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com

There wouldn't have been an invasion if this great man were still in office.

 

[Lakhota]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com