Republicans are mostly to blame for our debt

[Brain357]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

Obama doubled the debt in 8 years.

Comments?

He inherited a disaster from Bush. After disaster was fixed deficits declined. Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Bad and worse.

 

[Nostra]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

History and politics not strong with you is it cum breath?

And yet you can’t deny any of the facts.

Deny what you don't know the facts.

Reagan had to compromise with tippy

Newt is the one who balanced the budget for a few

Fact is that repubs fuel increased spending with tax cuts.

so democrats take no responsibility for their increased spending they just blame republicans for cutting taxes.

got it.

Doesn't it seem to be the rationale that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault?

Tax payers don’t care about spending because it goes on the credit card and they get tax cuts.

now you're finally getting it

No one cares about the debt.

And it ain't gonna matter before I'm dead so i don't care either

I get it, it’s the point of the OP . Nobody will care till we increase taxes, cuts are making people care less and less.

presidents have increased taxes and still no one cared.

Reagan passed the single largest peacetime tax hike in history and no one cared that he grew the debt

Clinton raised taxes and no one cared that he raised the debt

Bush #1 raised taxes and no one cared that he increased the debt

how can you keep saying that people will care when taxes are raised when they have shown just the opposite?

Tramp cared,
Trump touts tax law he previously called a disaster - YouTube

Min 120 on

no one else did

Republicans loved Reagan, he cut taxes twice and he raised the lowest bracket.

Remember tramp wanted them to invest in real estate, and he was a Democrat for a long time.

Anything that he felt it was good for him. Now he wants tax cuts, but he didn't back in the 80's.

Reagan passed the largest peace time tax hike in history which basically clawed back all the money from the income tax cuts.

Trump wasn't complaining about the tax cuts he was complaining about the tax increases Reagan signed into law after the first rounds of cuts

No he didn't, he twice cut taxes. Reagan only raised the lowest bracket in 1986.

Tramp was bitching about people playing the market instead of investing in real estate.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Economic Recovery Act of 1981, also known as the Reagan tax cuts, was the biggest reduction in U.S. taxes of the past 70 years, possibly even the biggest ever. 1 That much is reasonably well-known.



What is less well-known is that these cuts were then followed by a series of tax increases that, if you add them all together, were almost as big as or even bigger than the 1981 cuts, depending on the measure you use.

Taxes: What people forget about Reagan

Ronald Reagan is the patron saint of lower taxes and smaller government. He cut taxes, yes. But he also raised them several times, in part to reduce high deficits and in part to pave the way for true tax reform.

money.cnn.com

So, despite his public opposition to higher taxes, Reagan ended up signing off on several measures intended to raise more revenue.

"Reagan was certainly a tax cutter legislatively, emotionally and ideologically. But for a variety of political reasons, it was hard for him to ignore the cost of his tax cuts," said tax historian Joseph Thorndike.

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime,

Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime,

Sounds awful!!

What were the rates before Reagan increased them? What were the rates after?

from the same link

The bills didn't raise more revenue by hiking individual income tax rates though. Instead they did it largely through making it tougher to evade taxes, and through "base broadening" -- that is, reducing various federal tax breaks and closing tax loopholes.

For instance, more asset sales became taxable and tax-advantaged contributions and benefits under pension plans were further limited.

"What people forget about Ronald Reagan was that he very much converted to base broadening as a means of reducing deficits and as a means of tax reform," said Eugene Steuerle, an Institute Fellow at the Urban Institute who had helped lay the groundwork for tax reform in 1986 and served as a deputy assistant Treasury secretary during Reagan's second term.

There were other notable tax increases under Reagan.

In 1983, for example, he signed off on Social Security reform legislation that, among other things, accelerated an increase in the payroll tax rate, required that higher-income beneficiaries pay income tax on part of their benefits, and required the self-employed to pay the full payroll tax rate, rather than just the portion normally paid by employees.

The tax reform of 1986, meanwhile, wasn't designed to increase federal tax revenue. But that didn't mean that no one's taxes went up. Because the reform bill eliminated or reduced many tax breaks and shelters, high-income tax filers who previously paid little ended up with bigger tax bills.

So he's the one that did this, and it hasn't increased in all the years!

Beginning in 1984, includes up to one-half of Social Security benefits as taxable income for taxpayers whose adjusted gross income, combined with half their benefits and any tax-exempt interest they may have exceeds $25,000 for a single taxpayer and $32,000 for married taxpayers filing jointly. Benefits received by married taxpayers filing separately are taxable without regard to other income. Appropriates amounts equal to estimated tax liability to the Social Security trust funds.
Social Security history (ssa.gov)

The rich should pay more, as they get higher amounts in their SS checks.

they get more because they paid in more.

why is it you people want to ignore the truth about Reagan?

He said government is the problem but he oversaw one of the largest government expansions in history.

That's cuz he built up the military and cause the USSR to collapse. Money well spent, unless you are a Commie loving Dimwinger.

 

[SavannahMann]

Allow me to summarize the positions of both parties. We suck. But they suck worse.

 

[Brain357]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

The lying ignorant independent refuses to admit that fact

Hey moron. The reason deficits increased rapidly are Trumps tax cuts and military spending passed when repubs had full control. Are you really this stupid?

 

[Brain357]

Allow me to summarize the positions of both parties. We suck. But they suck worse.

And in this case dems are right.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

Obama doubled the debt in 8 years.

Comments?

He inherited a disaster from Bush. After disaster was fixed deficits declined. Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Bad and worse.

Bush inherited a dot-com disaster from Clinton. Y'all let Bush use that excuse ?

 

[Nostra]

Now that we are closing out another failed republican president it seems like a good time to bring up debt since repubs will no doubt put there fiscally responsible hats back on for us to laugh at. It's clear big debt started with Reagan, the guy tripled the debt. We almost had it under control under Clinton, then Bush messed that up completely. Then Obama inherited the Bush mess and spent a lot, but deficits generally came down after the mess was fixed. Now Trump inherited a strong economy and still increased debt every single year. Last year pre pandemic he managed a trillion dollar deficit during a strong economy, this year he will set a new record by a lot.

Over and over and over republicans support the same policy of cut taxes, increase military spending, and drastically increase debt. And that is what has happened every time they have done it. Reagan did it, Bush did it, and now Trump did it. And repubs stupidly believe the square peg is going to fit the round hole this time.... or are they all that stupid? Many certainly are, but others clearly love the freebies. Heck better than a freebie, trumpers got their military spending and a tax cut! Government is great!

So for the last 40 years we have gotten more and more government and thanks to repubs it costs tax payers less and less. That is a formula for increasing government if I have ever seen one. So laugh whenever a repub claims to be for fiscal responsibility, their policy has clearly lead the way for more and more debt.

History and politics not strong with you is it cum breath?

And yet you can’t deny any of the facts.

Deny what you don't know the facts.

Reagan had to compromise with tippy

Newt is the one who balanced the budget for a few

Fact is that repubs fuel increased spending with tax cuts.

so democrats take no responsibility for their increased spending they just blame republicans for cutting taxes.

got it.

Doesn't it seem to be the rationale that if everyone is to blame then no one is at fault?

Tax payers don’t care about spending because it goes on the credit card and they get tax cuts.

now you're finally getting it

No one cares about the debt.

And it ain't gonna matter before I'm dead so i don't care either

I get it, it’s the point of the OP . Nobody will care till we increase taxes, cuts are making people care less and less.

presidents have increased taxes and still no one cared.

Reagan passed the single largest peacetime tax hike in history and no one cared that he grew the debt

Clinton raised taxes and no one cared that he raised the debt

Bush #1 raised taxes and no one cared that he increased the debt

how can you keep saying that people will care when taxes are raised when they have shown just the opposite?

Deficits decreased under Clinton. Increasing taxes is the only way. You are talking small increases. If taxes increased as much as spending then people would take notice.

no they wouldn't.

because it will never happen.

No politician will ever get elected if he says he's going to increase taxes to cover all spending.

what fantasy land do you call home?

That is the problem. And repubs are worse cause they cut taxes and increase spending.

Biden said he was increasing some taxes and was elected. It’s a start.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

Obama extended the Bush tax cuts and increased spending

Extending the cuts means the rate was not changed. Had they expired rates would have increased.

but you said he should have raised taxes to cover all the spending he initiated he didn't and he still doubled the debt

I’m not saying either party is good, just that repubs are worse. Trump quickly increased Obama deficits.

and Obama doubled the debt. Democrat senators and congress men voted for republican tax cuts too you know

you are saying that it's somehow worse to die from getting strangled than getting shot when you wind up dead either way.

what you want will never happen and no democrat will do it just as no republican will.

so when you buy your ticket back to reality let me know

And trump increased Obama deficits. Bad and worse.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/27/top-tax-rate-has-been-cut-six-times-since-usually-with-democrats-help/

you need to do some homework

Republicans always start the cuts.

always?

JFK started cutting the top rate of the income tax

We didn’t have a debt problem then.

That's because we had automatic tax increases then.

And now repubs cut taxes when deeply in debt.

You keep saying that -

You won't answerer my question.

That’s because it is true

You won't understand this, because you are brainless -

A reduction in tax rates - Increases revenue to the Treasury.

Does not lower - has never lowered, has always increased.

Reagan, Bush43, Trump - cut rates, increased revenue.

(that doesn't work to infinity, but it has worked every time so far.)

The trump tax cuts lowered the rate of increase of revenue. Meanwhile Trump drastically increased deficits and nobody cares cause they got a tax cut.

Trump increased the debt by 33% in four years with a pandemic lockdown (prior to lockdown 16%). Even with the lockdown, extrapolated out to eight years, his increase was less than Barry's by 4%. This line of thinking is not logical by any means as too many factors weigh into it anyway--were there any earth-shaking global events, was the presidents party the party of congress? Morons like the OP throw out a bunch of crap looking to make click bait so these narcissists can watch their numbers grow. SMFH--shallow idiots at best.

You are confused. Trump took over and increased Obama’s deficit every single year and gave a tax cut. Nobody cares about debt cause they get a tax cut.

Shallow. You have no concept of economy. Business tax cuts are good for unemployment because it puts more money in the business so that business can hire more employees. More employees equals more taxes. No need to thank me for saving you the cost of the education. BTW, for years you morons have been saying that Trump's middle class tax cuts were fiction. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Trump just tried business tax cuts and they failed again. GDP growth went DOWN and he ran a trillion dollar deficit. Giant failure. Do you morons ever learn?

^^^^Brainfart never heard of the Kung Flu^^

Fucking moron.

GDP went down LAST YEAR and we had a trillion dollar deficit LAST YEAR. You trumpers really know nothing.

GDP Growth in 2019 was 2.33%.

Barry ran trillion dollar deficits for several years and his 8 year avg GDP growoth was 1.88%

Do you ever get tired of me making you look like the idiot you are, Brainfart?

Obama inherited a recession. Trump decreased gdp growth last year and ran a trillion dollar deficit. That was after all his policy was in place. Huge failure. I’m not defending Obama moron. Trump just happens to be way worse.

The recession ended in June 2009, Brainfart. Stop blaming Barry's 8 year clusterfuck on something that ended a few months into his regime.

 

[Nostra]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

More lies. Barry's trillion dollar deficits came down after Reps took control of Congress.

You are stupid, and a blatant liar. Not good combinaiton, Brainfart.

 

[Brain357]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

Obama doubled the debt in 8 years.

Comments?

He inherited a disaster from Bush. After disaster was fixed deficits declined. Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Bad and worse.

Bush inherited a dot-com disaster from Clinton. Y'all let Bush use that excuse ?

Bush inherited a balanced budget and gave it away with tax cuts and military spending.

 

[Brain357]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

More lies. Barry's trillion dollar deficits came down after Reps took control of Congress.

You are stupid, and a blatant liar. Not good combinaiton, Brainfart.

Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Ouch.

 

[Nostra]

The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

Yep, the moment Biden takes office the Republicans will suddenly become a "fiscally conservative" party again.

Too bad PARTISANS never understand that BOTH parties are irresponsible.....because they BOTH are arms of the Establishment.

Let's not forget Trump was a LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who magically became "Republican" in the 11th hour.

If you want to get to the root of Fiscal Irresponsibility....you're going to have to look deeper than either of the two parties.

They are, but only one cuts taxes and increases spending.

And what you will never comprehend, but I've been saying here for ages, is that they PLAY BOTH SIDES.

Good cop / bad cop.

It's a Ruse played by the Establishment to keep you folks at each others throats and NEVER focused on the real problem. The Elites, Ultra Deep Pockets aka The Establishment.

Perhaps they do, but only one side cuts taxes AND increases spending.

Yep....you will never get it.....they know it and laugh all the way to the bank

I'm an independent who doesn't really like either side, so what is it you mean? One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

Think about the players.

McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, Paul Ryan, John Boehnor etc etc etc

These people are ACTORS. Their job is to play the role of antagonist and keep the American people divided and at each others throats.

Washington DC is run by criminals who know how to play all of us against one another.
That keeps your neighbor as your enemy and focal point.....while they in DC laugh all the way to the bank

The greatest fear in Washington is any thought of the American people coming together against their hold on power and fortune.

So they have a million ways to divide. poor vs Middle class. Black vs White. Gay vs Straight, left vs Right.

These are ALL tricks to divide us against each other.

It's not about what either side does. They are playing a game against the American people.
The REAL ISSUE is the ELITES vs We The People. That's the bottom line and who vs who.

I don't much disagree with you on that, but calling them both bad gets us nowhere. It just gives both sides a reason to be bad. The people don't demand more because both sides are bad. On debt repubs are clearly worse. Calling them equally bad gives them no reason to improve.

As an extreme leftist, I can't stand the democrats any more than the republicans.
Ever since Clinton, the bankers have been in control of both parties.
Obviously only Bernie Sanders had a solution to health care costs, and it is those high health insurance costs that make our products too expensive to export.
I thought Obama was going to be great, but instead he was hardly any better at all.
He was still a hawk and expanded the wars for no reason at all.
And ACA really does not fix anything, because with private health insurance, we are still prepaying and get no say in costs or quality.

What we need to do is force all states to have a single open primary and a run off between the top 2.
Or maybe a single election where we rate all the candidates.
This 2 party system will never let a good candidate get in there.

Well yes we need to get rid of the 2 party system and get some campaign finance reform. All our politicians are bought.

Well, we have the appearance of a two party system.

Truth is it merged some time ago. What you see today is an illusion.

A really good hint is that Donald Trump won as a Republican in 2016.

Those who know all the facts see what I'm talking about clearly.

True to a point. But Trump getting elected threw a wrench into the whole two party illusion which is evidenced by the fact that he fought both parties for his entire term. The few republicans that stood by him did so out of necessity opting to let the democrats to the dirty work of obstruction. A lot of republicans were stabbing him in the back behind closed doors. Donald Trump did more for everyday Americans than any other POTUS in decades.

More? He has had failed policy. His tax cuts lead to huge deficits. His tariffs hurt manufacturing and lead to the giant farmer bailout. His poor pandemic response lead to the most deaths in the world. He didn't deliver his promised best healthcare. You must love failure, that explains a lot....

His tax cuts lead to huge deficits.

Revenuew went up after Trump's across the board tax cuts, Stupid.

The rate of growth declined to a recession like level. Pathetic.

And yet still higher than Barry's avg.

You lose again, Brainfart.

 

[Nostra]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

More lies. Barry's trillion dollar deficits came down after Reps took control of Congress.

You are stupid, and a blatant liar. Not good combinaiton, Brainfart.

Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Ouch.

We all know why you want to throw out the majority of Barry's clusterfuck 8 years..................HE SUCKED.

You lose again, Brainfart.

 

[Brain357]

The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

Yep, the moment Biden takes office the Republicans will suddenly become a "fiscally conservative" party again.

Too bad PARTISANS never understand that BOTH parties are irresponsible.....because they BOTH are arms of the Establishment.

Let's not forget Trump was a LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who magically became "Republican" in the 11th hour.

If you want to get to the root of Fiscal Irresponsibility....you're going to have to look deeper than either of the two parties.

They are, but only one cuts taxes and increases spending.

And what you will never comprehend, but I've been saying here for ages, is that they PLAY BOTH SIDES.

Good cop / bad cop.

It's a Ruse played by the Establishment to keep you folks at each others throats and NEVER focused on the real problem. The Elites, Ultra Deep Pockets aka The Establishment.

Perhaps they do, but only one side cuts taxes AND increases spending.

Yep....you will never get it.....they know it and laugh all the way to the bank

I'm an independent who doesn't really like either side, so what is it you mean? One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

Think about the players.

McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, Paul Ryan, John Boehnor etc etc etc

These people are ACTORS. Their job is to play the role of antagonist and keep the American people divided and at each others throats.

Washington DC is run by criminals who know how to play all of us against one another.
That keeps your neighbor as your enemy and focal point.....while they in DC laugh all the way to the bank

The greatest fear in Washington is any thought of the American people coming together against their hold on power and fortune.

So they have a million ways to divide. poor vs Middle class. Black vs White. Gay vs Straight, left vs Right.

These are ALL tricks to divide us against each other.

It's not about what either side does. They are playing a game against the American people.
The REAL ISSUE is the ELITES vs We The People. That's the bottom line and who vs who.

I don't much disagree with you on that, but calling them both bad gets us nowhere. It just gives both sides a reason to be bad. The people don't demand more because both sides are bad. On debt repubs are clearly worse. Calling them equally bad gives them no reason to improve.

As an extreme leftist, I can't stand the democrats any more than the republicans.
Ever since Clinton, the bankers have been in control of both parties.
Obviously only Bernie Sanders had a solution to health care costs, and it is those high health insurance costs that make our products too expensive to export.
I thought Obama was going to be great, but instead he was hardly any better at all.
He was still a hawk and expanded the wars for no reason at all.
And ACA really does not fix anything, because with private health insurance, we are still prepaying and get no say in costs or quality.

What we need to do is force all states to have a single open primary and a run off between the top 2.
Or maybe a single election where we rate all the candidates.
This 2 party system will never let a good candidate get in there.

Well yes we need to get rid of the 2 party system and get some campaign finance reform. All our politicians are bought.

Well, we have the appearance of a two party system.

Truth is it merged some time ago. What you see today is an illusion.

A really good hint is that Donald Trump won as a Republican in 2016.

Those who know all the facts see what I'm talking about clearly.

True to a point. But Trump getting elected threw a wrench into the whole two party illusion which is evidenced by the fact that he fought both parties for his entire term. The few republicans that stood by him did so out of necessity opting to let the democrats to the dirty work of obstruction. A lot of republicans were stabbing him in the back behind closed doors. Donald Trump did more for everyday Americans than any other POTUS in decades.

More? He has had failed policy. His tax cuts lead to huge deficits. His tariffs hurt manufacturing and lead to the giant farmer bailout. His poor pandemic response lead to the most deaths in the world. He didn't deliver his promised best healthcare. You must love failure, that explains a lot....

His tax cuts lead to huge deficits.

Revenuew went up after Trump's across the board tax cuts, Stupid.

The rate of growth declined to a recession like level. Pathetic.

And yet still higher than Barry's avg.

You lose again, Brainfart.

Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Ouch.

 

[Nostra]

The funny (if predictable) thing is that I'm ALREADY seeing the Trumpsters complain about "Biden's spending".

This, after Trump made Keynes look like Ron freakin' Paul and took credit for the actions of the Fed.

They're not to be taken seriously.

Yep, the moment Biden takes office the Republicans will suddenly become a "fiscally conservative" party again.

Too bad PARTISANS never understand that BOTH parties are irresponsible.....because they BOTH are arms of the Establishment.

Let's not forget Trump was a LIFELONG DEMOCRAT who magically became "Republican" in the 11th hour.

If you want to get to the root of Fiscal Irresponsibility....you're going to have to look deeper than either of the two parties.

They are, but only one cuts taxes and increases spending.

And what you will never comprehend, but I've been saying here for ages, is that they PLAY BOTH SIDES.

Good cop / bad cop.

It's a Ruse played by the Establishment to keep you folks at each others throats and NEVER focused on the real problem. The Elites, Ultra Deep Pockets aka The Establishment.

Perhaps they do, but only one side cuts taxes AND increases spending.

Yep....you will never get it.....they know it and laugh all the way to the bank

I'm an independent who doesn't really like either side, so what is it you mean? One side is clearly worse for debt. Just look at the trump disaster. Trillion dollar deficit last year during a strong economy!

Think about the players.

McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, Paul Ryan, John Boehnor etc etc etc

These people are ACTORS. Their job is to play the role of antagonist and keep the American people divided and at each others throats.

Washington DC is run by criminals who know how to play all of us against one another.
That keeps your neighbor as your enemy and focal point.....while they in DC laugh all the way to the bank

The greatest fear in Washington is any thought of the American people coming together against their hold on power and fortune.

So they have a million ways to divide. poor vs Middle class. Black vs White. Gay vs Straight, left vs Right.

These are ALL tricks to divide us against each other.

It's not about what either side does. They are playing a game against the American people.
The REAL ISSUE is the ELITES vs We The People. That's the bottom line and who vs who.

I don't much disagree with you on that, but calling them both bad gets us nowhere. It just gives both sides a reason to be bad. The people don't demand more because both sides are bad. On debt repubs are clearly worse. Calling them equally bad gives them no reason to improve.

As an extreme leftist, I can't stand the democrats any more than the republicans.
Ever since Clinton, the bankers have been in control of both parties.
Obviously only Bernie Sanders had a solution to health care costs, and it is those high health insurance costs that make our products too expensive to export.
I thought Obama was going to be great, but instead he was hardly any better at all.
He was still a hawk and expanded the wars for no reason at all.
And ACA really does not fix anything, because with private health insurance, we are still prepaying and get no say in costs or quality.

What we need to do is force all states to have a single open primary and a run off between the top 2.
Or maybe a single election where we rate all the candidates.
This 2 party system will never let a good candidate get in there.

Well yes we need to get rid of the 2 party system and get some campaign finance reform. All our politicians are bought.

Well, we have the appearance of a two party system.

Truth is it merged some time ago. What you see today is an illusion.

A really good hint is that Donald Trump won as a Republican in 2016.

Those who know all the facts see what I'm talking about clearly.

True to a point. But Trump getting elected threw a wrench into the whole two party illusion which is evidenced by the fact that he fought both parties for his entire term. The few republicans that stood by him did so out of necessity opting to let the democrats to the dirty work of obstruction. A lot of republicans were stabbing him in the back behind closed doors. Donald Trump did more for everyday Americans than any other POTUS in decades.

More? He has had failed policy. His tax cuts lead to huge deficits. His tariffs hurt manufacturing and lead to the giant farmer bailout. His poor pandemic response lead to the most deaths in the world. He didn't deliver his promised best healthcare. You must love failure, that explains a lot....

His tax cuts lead to huge deficits.

Revenuew went up after Trump's across the board tax cuts, Stupid.

The rate of growth declined to a recession like level. Pathetic.

And yet still higher than Barry's avg.

You lose again, Brainfart.

Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Ouch.

We all know why you want to throw out the majority of Barry's clusterfuck 8 years..................HE SUCKED.

You lose again, Brainfart.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

Obama doubled the debt in 8 years.

Comments?

He inherited a disaster from Bush. After disaster was fixed deficits declined. Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Bad and worse.

Bush inherited a dot-com disaster from Clinton. Y'all let Bush use that excuse ?

Bush inherited a balanced budget and gave it away with tax cuts and military spending.

Is that what you call the dot-com bust?

Dot-com bubble - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On November 9, 2000, Pets.com, a much-hyped company that had backing from Amazon.com, went out of business only nine months after completing its IPO.[44][45] By that time, most Internet stocks had declined in value by 75% from their highs, wiping out $1.755 trillion in value.[46]

Doesn't sound like a balanced anything to me. By all means please show with a link where Clinton balanced the budget. Kinda hard considering the debt went up every year under Clinton.

 

[Brain357]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

More lies. Barry's trillion dollar deficits came down after Reps took control of Congress.

You are stupid, and a blatant liar. Not good combinaiton, Brainfart.

Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Ouch.

We all know why you want to throw out the majority of Barry's clusterfuck 8 years..................HE SUCKED.

You lose again, Brainfart.

Inherited a recession from another loser repub president.

Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Ouch.

 

[Brain357]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

Obama doubled the debt in 8 years.

Comments?

He inherited a disaster from Bush. After disaster was fixed deficits declined. Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Bad and worse.

Bush inherited a dot-com disaster from Clinton. Y'all let Bush use that excuse ?

Bush inherited a balanced budget and gave it away with tax cuts and military spending.

Is that what you call the dot-com bust?

Dot-com bubble - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bush was bad. Very bad. Trump even ran on how bad Bush was.

 

[SavannahMann]

Allow me to summarize the positions of both parties. We suck. But they suck worse.

And in this case dems are right.

Lets say you are married. Is it better to have an attractive spouse cheating on you or an unattractive spouse cheating on you?

I did not vote. Because both parties suck. And from the middle I can say they both suck equally. Neither gives a damn about the Constitution or the people.

Politics has become the Homecoming game. Our team rules. Go Blue. We can win. Come on Red. The next morning nothing has changed. We are still in the same situation we were in before the game.

Allow me to summarize the core beliefs. Winning is good. Losing is bad. If they win apocalypse will follow. If we win. Well it will still be apocalypse but just a few weeks later.

 

[Brain357]

Allow me to summarize the positions of both parties. We suck. But they suck worse.

And in this case dems are right.

Lets say you are married. Is it better to have an attractive spouse cheating on you or an unattractive spouse cheating on you?

I did not vote. Because both parties suck. And from the middle I can say they both suck equally. Neither gives a damn about the Constitution or the people.

Politics has become the Homecoming game. Our team rules. Go Blue. We can win. Come on Red. The next morning nothing has changed. We are still in the same situation we were in before the game.

Allow me to summarize the core beliefs. Winning is good. Losing is bad. If they win apocalypse will follow. If we win. Well it will still be apocalypse but just a few weeks later.

I don’t disagree with you much. But when it comes to debt repubs are worse. Same thing over and over. Distract the stupid republicans with tax cuts, pass huge spending, drastically increase debt. You can’t tell me 4 years ago wasn’t much better than now. Dems are bad, Repubs lead to disaster.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The last time this nation was debt free was in 1835 under Andrew Jackson. Since then both parties have run it up claiming one is worse than the other is like saying it’s better to drown in water that is 475 feet deep instead of water 500 feet deep.

Could it have said it better myself.

But only one party has been cutting taxes and increasing spending.

Nobody is listens to your bullshit,we are all laughing at your pathetic lies.

Republicans love debt. Just put it on the credit card.

Spending originates in the House, Dummy.

Dimwingers have controlled the House 55 out of the last 65 years, Brainfart.

You lose again.

Yes and the giant increases came when repubs were in full control. Irresponsible tax cuts and huge military spending increase. Are you dishonest or really stupid?

Obama doubled the debt in 8 years.

Comments?

He inherited a disaster from Bush. After disaster was fixed deficits declined. Compare the last 3 years of Obama to the first 3 of Trump. Bad and worse.

Bush inherited a dot-com disaster from Clinton. Y'all let Bush use that excuse ?

Bush inherited a balanced budget and gave it away with tax cuts and military spending.

Is that what you call the dot-com bust?

Dot-com bubble - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bush was bad. Very bad. Trump even ran on how bad Bush was.

Oh yea I know. Bush man bad, orange man bad.

Anyway, you said Clinton left a surplus and/or balanced budget. I asked you to prove it. So far you've done nothing.