Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[TemplarKormac]

You are only supposed to apply your personal morals to your own actions, and not try to dictate to others.

Speak for yourself. Anyone arguing on this thread has an interest in applying their morals and standards to American society, it is simply a matter of which morals are just and which ones aren't.

As for her children, I really hope she did apply her personal morals to them, that's a core tenet of raising children in my opinion.

 

[Rigby5]

You stupid Moon Bats are now preaching the "my body, my choice" bullshit after you turds tried to force all that oppression about masks and vaccinations down our throats? LOL!

Of course your real ignorance comes with you lack of knowledge of Biology. It is just not one human body. There are two once a woman gets knocked up. I shit you not. Go look it up.

A woman can do anything she wants to herself but when she kills another human being then that is murder. Abortion is murder. A woman is killing another human being as a birth control method and that is wrong. Really, really wrong.

You stupid uneducated Moon Bats are just as confused about Biology and Ethics as you are confused about History, Economics, Climate Science and the Constitution.

First of all, although I am far left, liberal, progressive, I am totally against masks and vax for covid.
Second is that NO one human body ever gets to dictate medical choices of another, and the fetus has no authority over the mother at all, in any way.
If some stranger wanted and needed something like a blood transfusion in order to survive, no one can be forced to give it.
Similarly, a fetus has no say over the woman's body at all, in any way.
And no, a fetus is not at all a human being, as it is not conscious, self aware, or sentient.

You have a right to your own ethical beliefs, but only over what you do, not anyone else.

 

[Rigby5]

Easy. The activist viewpoints you expressed, such as "abortion is not murder" are incongruent with the laws and statistics you cite.

The law defines gestational viability, your held views on the matter, in stark contrast, do not.

Wrong.
All sperm and ovum have "gestational viability", but no one has any rights over the body of the woman except the woman.
Legislation is NOT the source of rights or abstract law.
Rights are inherent and no one could ever make a fetus supreme over the choice of the woman.

 

[Rigby5]

To add, citygator , your position places no limits on when abortion can occur, yet the laws you cite, do. Even Roe does.

The legislation is wrong.
Government has zero legal authority over any choice a woman may make with here own medical procedures, ever.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The only way to prevent pregnancy 'before pregnancy' is to abstain from sex, and that is harmful.

No, it's not. Abstinence is not the only method. Contraceptives and birth control steps taken before sexual activity can drastically reduce the risk of pregnancy.

Besides, the exercise of better judgment is never ever harmful. Never ever.

 

[Rigby5]

Speak for yourself. Anyone arguing on this thread has an interest in applying their morals and standards to American society, it is simply a matter of which morals are just and which ones aren't.

As for her children, I really hope she did apply her personal morals to them, that's a core tenet of raising children in my opinion.

Wrong.
No one ever has any interests in forcing moral standards on anyone else.
The ONLY time government has any legal authority is when what someone else does effect YOU, and that is not the case with abortion.
With abortion you are attempting to interfere with something between 2 others where you have zero standing and should stay out of it.

Moral standards can not and should not ever be forced.
They are only to be explained, and let people decide for themselves.
Anything else is fascist and dictatorial.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Legislation is NOT the source of rights or abstract law

That's news to me. Good thing I know more about the topic than you.

 

[Rigby5]

No, it's not. Abstinence is not the only method. Contraceptives and birth control steps taken before sexual activity can drastically reduce the risk of pregnancy.

Besides, the exercise of better judgment is never ever harmful. Never ever.

Wrong.
Birth control is good, but never 100%.
Abortion will always be necessary forever.
In fact, we are dangerously overpopulated and risk species extinction already.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Wrong.
No one ever has any interests in forcing moral standards on anyone else.

You're doing it right now, by demanding every woman in America act monolithically in their support of abortion.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Wrong.
Birth control is good, but never 100%.

That's why there are multiple methods. To ensure 100% success.

This isn't hard.

Might be because your arguments are too overly simplistic.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In fact, we are dangerously overpopulated and risk species extinction already.

Oh my, we have a eugenicist on our hands folks.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Moral standards can not and should not ever be forced.
They are only to be explained, and let people decide for themselves.
Anything else is fascist and dictatorial.

Then why did leftists support the leak of the SCOTUS draft opinion? That surely flies in the face of letting people think freely or decide freely, let alone the Supreme Court. It also reeks of people wishing to enforce their collective wills and morality on others.

Only people like you can be so blind to that realization.

 

[Ralph Norton]

Wrong.
All sperm and ovum have "gestational viability", but no one has any rights over the body of the woman except the woman.
Legislation is NOT the source of rights or abstract law.
Rights are inherent and no one could ever make a fetus supreme over the choice of the woman.

What or who is the source of these "inherent rights"?

 

[Lisa558]

Then why did leftists support the leak of the SCOTUS draft opinion? That surely flies in the face of letting people think freely or decide freely, let alone the Supreme Court. It also reeks of people wishing to enforce their collective wills and morality on others.

Only people like you can be so blind to that realization.

Absolutely! If this came from the conservatives, the WH would be out with condemnation, and Psaki would be focused on this egregious breach. The fact that they are downplaying the leak, or actually ignoring it completely, and focusing on the way the decision will likely go, speaks volumes.

 

[Lisa558]

Wrong.
Birth control is good, but never 100%.
Abortion will always be necessary forever.
In fact, we are dangerously overpopulated and risk species extinction already.

Birth control, especially doubled up for extra protection, is more than 99% effective. And that’s over an entire year - not one time. If abortion becomes more restrictive in certain states, and that means an annoying bus ride to seek out an abortion, I guarantee you the number of unplanned pregnancies will drop substantially.

Birth control isn’t rocket science.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Birth control isn’t rocket science.

This.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Remember kids, it might take a few days in threads like these and some uncomfortable methods, but the screaming will eventually stop.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Wrong.
The only way to prevent pregnancy 'before pregnancy' is to abstain from sex, and that is harmful.
There is no way to have a full life without also having to risk pregnancy that needs to sometimes be terminated.
Humans have much too high of a nature reproductive rate due to the long history of humans having been prey.
Now that we are predators instead of prey, we can't wait for evolution to reduce our reproductive rates, we have to do it artificially, and that includes with abortion.

If covid could effect others, then vaccination could preempt personal choice.
But since the mRNA vaxes are fake, then others have no right to be involved in any way.

Wrong.

Sex doesn't have to be penetrative sex of the vagina with a penis. For that, you have contraceptive gels, the pill, and condoms, use more than one. For sexual pleasure, you have toys and two more orifices. It's basic biology, if you inject sperm into a vagina, there's a chance of pregnancy. Anyone who doesn't understand that, is thick as fuck and doesn't deserve have reproductive organs.

Put it this way, if you want an abortion, the woman and bloke have to pay 10 times their annual salary, in order to get the message through their retarded thick skulls.

The vaccination protects YOU from the virus. It is not designed to protect YOU from THOSE who didn't get the vaccination. But there again, the pro vaxxers are in the same the same thick skull camp as the bakes who need an abortion.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When lifer lefty lawyer Alan Dersh sez Roe is bad law, it's really bad law.

Ruth Bader Ginsberg said it was bad law.

 

[schmidlap]

Shitlap is spewing shit. If a woman wishes to have the size of her breasts augmented or reduced, she is dealing with her own body. But once she starts trying to exterminate a separate and distinct human being inside her, it is no longer necessarily a “personal” matter. The preborn child gets no voice but society may speak on behalf of the helpless.

Dishonest hacks like Shitlap try to make it sound like the State is imposing a requirement that conception-capable women have a duty to meet a quota. Shitlap is basically a liar. The State has no authority to require a woman to get pregnant. But the State does have several reasons for its own existence and one of the big reasons is to protect life.

The State denying the freedom a woman has had over her reproductive system for the past 50 years is an abrogation of an existing liberty.

No matter how much you whine that the politicians should seize control, there is no denying that.