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Sabra and Shatila: 30 Years Ago Today

In September of 1982, between 700 and 3500 Lebanese and Palestinian civilians were massacred in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila near Beirut, Lebanon. The IDF had surrounded and controlled access to both camps, and late in the afternoon of Friday, 16th the IDF allowed the first of 1500 Phalangist militiamen to enter the camps.

Hitler couldn't have planned the consequences any better:

"Each act was barbarous enough on its own to warrant fear and loathing.

"It was human savagery at its worst and Dr Ang Swee Chai was an eye witness as she worked with the Palestinian Red Crescent Society on the dying and the wounded amongst the dead.

"What she saw was so unimaginable that the atrocities committed need to be separated from each other to even begin comprehending the viciousness of the crimes. [1]

"People Tortured. Blackened bodies smelling of roasted flesh from the power shocks that had convulsed their bodies before their hearts gave out – the electric wires still tied around their lifeless limbs

"People with gouged out eye sockets. Faces unrecognisable with the gaping holes that had plunged them into darkness before their lives were thankfully ended.

"Women raped. Not once – but two, three, four times – horribly violated, their legs shamelessly ripped apart with not even the cover of clothing to preserve their dignity at the moment of death.

"Children dynamited alive. So many body parts ripped from their tiny torsos, so hard to know to whom they belonged – just mounds of bloodied limbs amongst the tousled heads of children in pools of blood.

"Families executed. Blood, blood and more blood sprayed on the walls of homes where whole families had been axed to death in a frenzy or lined up for a more orderly execution."

The Massacre at Sabra and Shatila, Thirty Years Later » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
These descriptions strangely resemble the carnage thrust upon the Jews and others by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
All I've heard from the terrorist lovers since 1945 is, "Why didn't the Jews resist? And why did they allow themselves to be led to slaughter?"
I have the same question about these camps. Let the Turnspeak roll.
 
In September of 1982, between 700 and 3500 Lebanese and Palestinian civilians were massacred in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila near Beirut, Lebanon. The IDF had surrounded and controlled access to both camps, and late in the afternoon of Friday, 16th the IDF allowed the first of 1500 Phalangist militiamen to enter the camps.

Hitler couldn't have planned the consequences any better:

"Each act was barbarous enough on its own to warrant fear and loathing.

"It was human savagery at its worst and Dr Ang Swee Chai was an eye witness as she worked with the Palestinian Red Crescent Society on the dying and the wounded amongst the dead.

"What she saw was so unimaginable that the atrocities committed need to be separated from each other to even begin comprehending the viciousness of the crimes. [1]

"People Tortured. Blackened bodies smelling of roasted flesh from the power shocks that had convulsed their bodies before their hearts gave out – the electric wires still tied around their lifeless limbs

"People with gouged out eye sockets. Faces unrecognisable with the gaping holes that had plunged them into darkness before their lives were thankfully ended.

"Women raped. Not once – but two, three, four times – horribly violated, their legs shamelessly ripped apart with not even the cover of clothing to preserve their dignity at the moment of death.

"Children dynamited alive. So many body parts ripped from their tiny torsos, so hard to know to whom they belonged – just mounds of bloodied limbs amongst the tousled heads of children in pools of blood.

"Families executed. Blood, blood and more blood sprayed on the walls of homes where whole families had been axed to death in a frenzy or lined up for a more orderly execution."

The Massacre at Sabra and Shatila, Thirty Years Later » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Sharon is one of those special killers who enjoyed their trade to the fullest....he would make Hitler blush...I believe that the state of the living dead is punishment by our maker for his brutal life of senseless killing.
It's wonderful how Pbel can overlook the vicious killers who have murdered millions and millions, like the millions of Christians in the Sudan and the millions pf Hindus in Banglaesh. If Pbel were still a practicing Catholic, does he ever wonder what would happen to him in many Muslim countries if he wore a Crucifix and it was seen? Meanwhile, if Pbel would take the time to research, he will find an old BBC interview with one of the leaders of Hamas saying that too much blame is being put on Sharon for this, and he names the Lebanese fellow who should really be blamed.
 
Notice PEEBALLS blames sharon for acts ------in which he took no part at all-------his part was NOT PREVENTING THE CHRISTIAN LEBANESE FROM ENTERING THE CAMP-----and that was IT He would have no way of knowing just what they were going to do------but PEE BALLS actually accuses him of being as BARBARIC AS THE FILTHY PIGS OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE Sorry Peeballs-----but those maronites are catholics----unfortunately they picked up a bit of their culture from the "holy" ROMAN EMPIRE-------ie yours-----the ones that enjoyed watching live people being fed to lions Do not worry------over time the descendants of the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" have gradually and definitely thrown off most of the filth they inherited from ROME -------and they are getting better and better every day
 
Notice PEEBALLS blames sharon for acts ------in which he took no part at all-------his part was NOT PREVENTING THE CHRISTIAN LEBANESE FROM ENTERING THE CAMP-----and that was IT He would have no way of knowing just what they were going to do------but PEE BALLS actually accuses him of being as BARBARIC AS THE FILTHY PIGS OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE Sorry Peeballs-----but those maronites are catholics----unfortunately they picked up a bit of their culture from the "holy" ROMAN EMPIRE-------ie yours-----the ones that enjoyed watching live people being fed to lions Do not worry------over time the descendants of the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" have gradually and definitely thrown off most of the filth they inherited from ROME -------and they are getting better and better every day

Rose his own government punished him for him for his in-acton...he was a modern Ratko Milandic and should be sent to trial at the Hague if he ever wakes up!
 
Hoss in the propaganda that GEORGIE QUOTES----the figures of ownership be "ARABS" are determined by -------subtracting the percentage of land oned by jews from 100% do not even try to explain to georgie why that method does not make sense. He thinks "arabs owned" the negev deserrt and the dead sea
In fact, I made no claim regarding who owned the remaining 84% of Mandate Palestine.
Jews owned 16% and the UN Partition Plan gave them 55%.
Jews were one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
One person; one vote and there's no Jewish State in Mandate Palestine.
And it doesn't matter how many crimes Muslim fundamentalists have committed before or since.
 
Hoss in the propaganda that GEORGIE QUOTES----the figures of ownership be "ARABS" are determined by -------subtracting the percentage of land oned by jews from 100% do not even try to explain to georgie why that method does not make sense. He thinks "arabs owned" the negev deserrt and the dead sea
In fact, I made no claim regarding who owned the remaining 84% of Mandate Palestine.
Jews owned 16% and the UN Partition Plan gave them 55%.
Jews were one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
One person; one vote and there's no Jewish State in Mandate Palestine.
And it doesn't matter how many crimes Muslim fundamentalists have committed before or since.

Jews were a significant population in the palestine mandate and in danger of annihilation by your fellow islamo nazis------like the CHRISTIANS OF SOUTHERN SUDAN ----there were saved by partition ------as were the muslims of INDIA -----saved by partition-----try to live with it Of course I would expect a person like you to VOTE FOR GENOCIDE rather than partition------it is an aspect of your "ETHICS" Try to get over the fact that even though GERMANY voted for GENOCIDE-------some people were saved and even though if SLAVERY had been put to POPULAR VOTE in 1850 in the USA------SLAVERY WOULD HAVE WON-------the fact is that -----righteousness won the day no matter how that fact rankles you and yours
 
Notice PEEBALLS blames sharon for acts ------in which he took no part at all-------his part was NOT PREVENTING THE CHRISTIAN LEBANESE FROM ENTERING THE CAMP-----and that was IT He would have no way of knowing just what they were going to do------but PEE BALLS actually accuses him of being as BARBARIC AS THE FILTHY PIGS OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE Sorry Peeballs-----but those maronites are catholics----unfortunately they picked up a bit of their culture from the "holy" ROMAN EMPIRE-------ie yours-----the ones that enjoyed watching live people being fed to lions Do not worry------over time the descendants of the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" have gradually and definitely thrown off most of the filth they inherited from ROME -------and they are getting better and better every day

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Front page of Kahan Commission report
The Kahan Commission (ועדת כהן), formally known as the Commission of Inquiry into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut, was established by the Israeli government on 28 September 1982, to investigate the Sabra and Shatila Massacre (16 September-18 September, 1982). The Kahan Commission was chaired by the President of the Supreme Court, Yitzhak Kahan. Its other two members were Supreme Court Judge Aharon Barak, and Major-General (res.) Yona Efrat. The Commission was to make recommendations on Israeli involvement in the massacre through an investigation of:
[A]ll the facts and factors connected with the atrocity carried out by a unit of the Lebanese Forces against the civilian population in the Shatilla and Sabra camps.
Following a four-month investigation, on 8 February 1983, the Kahan Commission submitted its report, which was released to the public by spokesman Bezalel Gordon simultaneously in Hebrew and English. It concluded that direct responsibility rested with the Gemayel Phalangists led by Fadi Frem, and that no Israelis were deemed directly responsible, although Israel was held to be indirectly responsible.
The decision on the entry of the Phalangists into the refugee camps was taken without consideration of the danger - which the makers and executors of the decision were obligated to foresee as probable - the Phalangists would commit massacres and pogroms against the inhabitants of the camps, and without an examination of the means for preventing this danger. Similarly, it is clear from the course of events that when the reports began to arrive about the actions of the Phalangists in the camps, no proper heed was taken of these reports, the correct conclusions were not drawn from them, and no energetic and immediate action were taken to restrain the Phalangists and put a stop to their actions.
The Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found to bear personal responsibility[1] "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed". Sharon's negligence in protecting the civilian population of Beirut, which had come under Israeli control, amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister.
 
In September of 1982, between 700 and 3500 Lebanese and Palestinian civilians were massacred in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila near Beirut, Lebanon. The IDF had surrounded and controlled access to both camps, and late in the afternoon of Friday, 16th the IDF allowed the first of 1500 Phalangist militiamen to enter the camps.

Hitler couldn't have planned the consequences any better:

"Each act was barbarous enough on its own to warrant fear and loathing.

"It was human savagery at its worst and Dr Ang Swee Chai was an eye witness as she worked with the Palestinian Red Crescent Society on the dying and the wounded amongst the dead.

"What she saw was so unimaginable that the atrocities committed need to be separated from each other to even begin comprehending the viciousness of the crimes. [1]

"People Tortured. Blackened bodies smelling of roasted flesh from the power shocks that had convulsed their bodies before their hearts gave out – the electric wires still tied around their lifeless limbs

"People with gouged out eye sockets. Faces unrecognisable with the gaping holes that had plunged them into darkness before their lives were thankfully ended.

"Women raped. Not once – but two, three, four times – horribly violated, their legs shamelessly ripped apart with not even the cover of clothing to preserve their dignity at the moment of death.

"Children dynamited alive. So many body parts ripped from their tiny torsos, so hard to know to whom they belonged – just mounds of bloodied limbs amongst the tousled heads of children in pools of blood.

"Families executed. Blood, blood and more blood sprayed on the walls of homes where whole families had been axed to death in a frenzy or lined up for a more orderly execution."

The Massacre at Sabra and Shatila, Thirty Years Later » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Sharon is one of those special killers who enjoyed their trade to the fullest....he would make Hitler blush...I believe that the state of the living dead is punishment by our maker for his brutal life of senseless killing.
Without hired killers like Sharon tyrants like Hitler wouldn't be able to murder millions for their God and Mammon.

Conservatives like Sharon base their moral compass on a "decider" like Adolph, or Uncle Joe or George W. Bush who serves as a legitimate authority for all their actions. This apparently hasn't changed in hundreds of years, and if contemporary US fascists masquerading as populists are any example, we won't be seeing a new Enlightenment any time soon.
 
Hoss in the propaganda that GEORGIE QUOTES----the figures of ownership be "ARABS" are determined by -------subtracting the percentage of land oned by jews from 100% do not even try to explain to georgie why that method does not make sense. He thinks "arabs owned" the negev deserrt and the dead sea
In fact, I made no claim regarding who owned the remaining 84% of Mandate Palestine.
Jews owned 16% and the UN Partition Plan gave them 55%.
Jews were one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
One person; one vote and there's no Jewish State in Mandate Palestine.
And it doesn't matter how many crimes Muslim fundamentalists have committed before or since.

Jews were a significant population in the palestine mandate and in danger of annihilation by your fellow islamo nazis------like the CHRISTIANS OF SOUTHERN SUDAN ----there were saved by partition ------as were the muslims of INDIA -----saved by partition-----try to live with it Of course I would expect a person like you to VOTE FOR GENOCIDE rather than partition------it is an aspect of your "ETHICS" Try to get over the fact that even though GERMANY voted for GENOCIDE-------some people were saved and even though if SLAVERY had been put to POPULAR VOTE in 1850 in the USA------SLAVERY WOULD HAVE WON-------the fact is that -----righteousness won the day no matter how that fact rankles you and yours
Jews in Palestine were in no danger of extermination until the Balfour Declaration decided a Jewish homeland in the heart of Arab oil would serve the same Royal purpose as the Ulster Plantation served for Charles I. The fact that you can't argue the morality of imposing a Jewish state on a majority of non-Jews in 1948 without bringing up Sudan, Pakistan, and India makes everything you post reek of filthy, hasbara propaganda.
 
Notice PEEBALLS blames sharon for acts ------in which he took no part at all-------his part was NOT PREVENTING THE CHRISTIAN LEBANESE FROM ENTERING THE CAMP-----and that was IT He would have no way of knowing just what they were going to do------but PEE BALLS actually accuses him of being as BARBARIC AS THE FILTHY PIGS OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE Sorry Peeballs-----but those maronites are catholics----unfortunately they picked up a bit of their culture from the "holy" ROMAN EMPIRE-------ie yours-----the ones that enjoyed watching live people being fed to lions Do not worry------over time the descendants of the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" have gradually and definitely thrown off most of the filth they inherited from ROME -------and they are getting better and better every day

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Front page of Kahan Commission report
The Kahan Commission (ועדת כהן), formally known as the Commission of Inquiry into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut, was established by the Israeli government on 28 September 1982, to investigate the Sabra and Shatila Massacre (16 September-18 September, 1982). The Kahan Commission was chaired by the President of the Supreme Court, Yitzhak Kahan. Its other two members were Supreme Court Judge Aharon Barak, and Major-General (res.) Yona Efrat. The Commission was to make recommendations on Israeli involvement in the massacre through an investigation of:
[A]ll the facts and factors connected with the atrocity carried out by a unit of the Lebanese Forces against the civilian population in the Shatilla and Sabra camps.
Following a four-month investigation, on 8 February 1983, the Kahan Commission submitted its report, which was released to the public by spokesman Bezalel Gordon simultaneously in Hebrew and English. It concluded that direct responsibility rested with the Gemayel Phalangists led by Fadi Frem, and that no Israelis were deemed directly responsible, although Israel was held to be indirectly responsible.
The decision on the entry of the Phalangists into the refugee camps was taken without consideration of the danger - which the makers and executors of the decision were obligated to foresee as probable - the Phalangists would commit massacres and pogroms against the inhabitants of the camps, and without an examination of the means for preventing this danger. Similarly, it is clear from the course of events that when the reports began to arrive about the actions of the Phalangists in the camps, no proper heed was taken of these reports, the correct conclusions were not drawn from them, and no energetic and immediate action were taken to restrain the Phalangists and put a stop to their actions.
The Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found to bear personal responsibility[1] "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed". Sharon's negligence in protecting the civilian population of Beirut, which had come under Israeli control, amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister.

The Israeli public was horrified by the news of the massacre, so some one had to take the blame, and since Sharon was Defense Minister, it was him, but to be fair the decision to trust the SLA in the camps was made much further down in the chain of command and passed forward as a recommended action. Sharon took it to the security cabinet and there was a difference of opinion, but it was finally approved. Clearly, it was a mistake to trust the Lebanese militia, and since Sharon was Defense Minister, it was ultimately his mistake.
 
"Blame" is a game in the military-----of course sharon was held responsible----HE WAS IN COMMAND ---that is how the military in the USA works too. a very nice captain----in the US navy lost his command a few years ago------because due to the carelessness of the crew----a kid fell over board and died My son was in the navy at the time. The poor captain really had nothing to do with the accident but it HAPPENED ON HIS WATCH-----same thing with Sharon SO?
 
for the record----the above piece of reeking nazi shit is claiming that muslims comitted no violence against jews either in Palestine or in muslim countries UNTIL in 1917----some buy named BALFOUR suggested that palestine would be a nice homeland for jews------in an obscure letter The above reeking nazi piece of shit INSISTS
 
In fact, I made no claim regarding who owned the remaining 84% of Mandate Palestine.
Jews owned 16% and the UN Partition Plan gave them 55%.
Jews were one-third of the population of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
One person; one vote and there's no Jewish State in Mandate Palestine.
And it doesn't matter how many crimes Muslim fundamentalists have committed before or since.

Jews were a significant population in the palestine mandate and in danger of annihilation by your fellow islamo nazis------like the CHRISTIANS OF SOUTHERN SUDAN ----there were saved by partition ------as were the muslims of INDIA -----saved by partition-----try to live with it Of course I would expect a person like you to VOTE FOR GENOCIDE rather than partition------it is an aspect of your "ETHICS" Try to get over the fact that even though GERMANY voted for GENOCIDE-------some people were saved and even though if SLAVERY had been put to POPULAR VOTE in 1850 in the USA------SLAVERY WOULD HAVE WON-------the fact is that -----righteousness won the day no matter how that fact rankles you and yours
Jews in Palestine were in no danger of extermination until the Balfour Declaration decided a Jewish homeland in the heart of Arab oil would serve the same Royal purpose as the Ulster Plantation served for Charles I. The fact that you can't argue the morality of imposing a Jewish state on a majority of non-Jews in 1948 without bringing up Sudan, Pakistan, and India makes everything you post reek of filthy, hasbara propaganda.

In fact, the Jews in Palestine were in no actual danger of extermination after the Balfour Declaration, either, unless the Arabs were going to talk them to death.
 
In September of 1982, between 700 and 3500 Lebanese and Palestinian civilians were massacred in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila near Beirut, Lebanon. The IDF had surrounded and controlled access to both camps, and late in the afternoon of Friday, 16th the IDF allowed the first of 1500 Phalangist militiamen to enter the camps.

Hitler couldn't have planned the consequences any better:

"Each act was barbarous enough on its own to warrant fear and loathing.

"It was human savagery at its worst and Dr Ang Swee Chai was an eye witness as she worked with the Palestinian Red Crescent Society on the dying and the wounded amongst the dead.

"What she saw was so unimaginable that the atrocities committed need to be separated from each other to even begin comprehending the viciousness of the crimes. [1]

"People Tortured. Blackened bodies smelling of roasted flesh from the power shocks that had convulsed their bodies before their hearts gave out – the electric wires still tied around their lifeless limbs

"People with gouged out eye sockets. Faces unrecognisable with the gaping holes that had plunged them into darkness before their lives were thankfully ended.

"Women raped. Not once – but two, three, four times – horribly violated, their legs shamelessly ripped apart with not even the cover of clothing to preserve their dignity at the moment of death.

"Children dynamited alive. So many body parts ripped from their tiny torsos, so hard to know to whom they belonged – just mounds of bloodied limbs amongst the tousled heads of children in pools of blood.

"Families executed. Blood, blood and more blood sprayed on the walls of homes where whole families had been axed to death in a frenzy or lined up for a more orderly execution."

The Massacre at Sabra and Shatila, Thirty Years Later » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
These descriptions strangely resemble the carnage thrust upon the Jews and others by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
All I've heard from the terrorist lovers since 1945 is, "Why didn't the Jews resist? And why did they allow themselves to be led to slaughter?"
I have the same question about these camps. Let the Turnspeak roll.
Because the PLO fighters left the camps prior to the massacres.

"The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the slaughter of between 762 and 3,500 Palestinian and Lebanese Shiite civilians, by a Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia, in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon between September 16 and September 18, 1982, during the Lebanese civil war.

"The massacre was presented as retaliation for the assassination of newly elected Lebanese president Bachir Gemayel, the leader of the Lebanese Kataeb Party. It was wrongly assumed that Palestinian militants had carried out the assassination, which is now generally attributed to native, pro-Syrian militants.

"Israel invaded Lebanon with the intention of rooting out the PLO. Under the supervision of the Multinational Force the PLO withdrew from Lebanon following weeks of battles in West Beirut and shortly before the massacre took place."

Can you think of any valid purpose Sharon would have had for allowing revenge-seeking militia to have access to unarmed civilians for three days?

Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
In September of 1982, between 700 and 3500 Lebanese and Palestinian civilians were massacred in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila near Beirut, Lebanon. The IDF had surrounded and controlled access to both camps, and late in the afternoon of Friday, 16th the IDF allowed the first of 1500 Phalangist militiamen to enter the camps.

Hitler couldn't have planned the consequences any better:

"Each act was barbarous enough on its own to warrant fear and loathing.

"It was human savagery at its worst and Dr Ang Swee Chai was an eye witness as she worked with the Palestinian Red Crescent Society on the dying and the wounded amongst the dead.

"What she saw was so unimaginable that the atrocities committed need to be separated from each other to even begin comprehending the viciousness of the crimes. [1]

"People Tortured. Blackened bodies smelling of roasted flesh from the power shocks that had convulsed their bodies before their hearts gave out – the electric wires still tied around their lifeless limbs

"People with gouged out eye sockets. Faces unrecognisable with the gaping holes that had plunged them into darkness before their lives were thankfully ended.

"Women raped. Not once – but two, three, four times – horribly violated, their legs shamelessly ripped apart with not even the cover of clothing to preserve their dignity at the moment of death.

"Children dynamited alive. So many body parts ripped from their tiny torsos, so hard to know to whom they belonged – just mounds of bloodied limbs amongst the tousled heads of children in pools of blood.

"Families executed. Blood, blood and more blood sprayed on the walls of homes where whole families had been axed to death in a frenzy or lined up for a more orderly execution."

The Massacre at Sabra and Shatila, Thirty Years Later » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
These descriptions strangely resemble the carnage thrust upon the Jews and others by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
All I've heard from the terrorist lovers since 1945 is, "Why didn't the Jews resist? And why did they allow themselves to be led to slaughter?"
I have the same question about these camps. Let the Turnspeak roll.
Because the PLO fighters left the camps prior to the massacres.

"The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the slaughter of between 762 and 3,500 Palestinian and Lebanese Shiite civilians, by a Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia, in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon between September 16 and September 18, 1982, during the Lebanese civil war.

"The massacre was presented as retaliation for the assassination of newly elected Lebanese president Bachir Gemayel, the leader of the Lebanese Kataeb Party. It was wrongly assumed that Palestinian militants had carried out the assassination, which is now generally attributed to native, pro-Syrian militants.

"Israel invaded Lebanon with the intention of rooting out the PLO. Under the supervision of the Multinational Force the PLO withdrew from Lebanon following weeks of battles in West Beirut and shortly before the massacre took place."

Can you think of any valid purpose Sharon would have had for allowing revenge-seeking militia to have access to unarmed civilians for three days?

Sabra and Shatila massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My question was about why didn't the people defend themselves.
 
Notice PEEBALLS blames sharon for acts ------in which he took no part at all-------his part was NOT PREVENTING THE CHRISTIAN LEBANESE FROM ENTERING THE CAMP-----and that was IT He would have no way of knowing just what they were going to do------but PEE BALLS actually accuses him of being as BARBARIC AS THE FILTHY PIGS OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE Sorry Peeballs-----but those maronites are catholics----unfortunately they picked up a bit of their culture from the "holy" ROMAN EMPIRE-------ie yours-----the ones that enjoyed watching live people being fed to lions Do not worry------over time the descendants of the "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" have gradually and definitely thrown off most of the filth they inherited from ROME -------and they are getting better and better every day

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Front page of Kahan Commission report
The Kahan Commission (ועדת כהן), formally known as the Commission of Inquiry into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut, was established by the Israeli government on 28 September 1982, to investigate the Sabra and Shatila Massacre (16 September-18 September, 1982). The Kahan Commission was chaired by the President of the Supreme Court, Yitzhak Kahan. Its other two members were Supreme Court Judge Aharon Barak, and Major-General (res.) Yona Efrat. The Commission was to make recommendations on Israeli involvement in the massacre through an investigation of:
[A]ll the facts and factors connected with the atrocity carried out by a unit of the Lebanese Forces against the civilian population in the Shatilla and Sabra camps.
Following a four-month investigation, on 8 February 1983, the Kahan Commission submitted its report, which was released to the public by spokesman Bezalel Gordon simultaneously in Hebrew and English. It concluded that direct responsibility rested with the Gemayel Phalangists led by Fadi Frem, and that no Israelis were deemed directly responsible, although Israel was held to be indirectly responsible.
The decision on the entry of the Phalangists into the refugee camps was taken without consideration of the danger - which the makers and executors of the decision were obligated to foresee as probable - the Phalangists would commit massacres and pogroms against the inhabitants of the camps, and without an examination of the means for preventing this danger. Similarly, it is clear from the course of events that when the reports began to arrive about the actions of the Phalangists in the camps, no proper heed was taken of these reports, the correct conclusions were not drawn from them, and no energetic and immediate action were taken to restrain the Phalangists and put a stop to their actions.
The Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found to bear personal responsibility[1] "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed". Sharon's negligence in protecting the civilian population of Beirut, which had come under Israeli control, amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister.

The Israeli public was horrified by the news of the massacre, so some one had to take the blame, and since Sharon was Defense Minister, it was him, but to be fair the decision to trust the SLA in the camps was made much further down in the chain of command and passed forward as a recommended action. Sharon took it to the security cabinet and there was a difference of opinion, but it was finally approved. Clearly, it was a mistake to trust the Lebanese militia, and since Sharon was Defense Minister, it was ultimately his mistake.
How many "mistakes" did the heroic Jews make in Sabra and Shatila?

"On the morning of 18 September, Morris Draper, another of President Reagan's envoys dispatched to Beirut, sent a message to Sharon alleging Israeli responsibility: 'You must stop the massacres. They are obscene. I have an officer in the camp counting the bodies. You ought to be ashamed. They situation is rotten and terrible. They are killing children. You are in absolute control of the area, and therefore responsible for that area.'

"But the responsibility was greater than Draper suggested. On 15 September Israeli troops had surrounded Sabra and Shatila. They were never more than 300 yards away from the camps and sometimes as close as 50 yards.

"Moreover, Israeli soldiers were on the roof of the Kuwait embassy nearby and could see what was happening in both camps. There is a mass of evidence to show that the Israelis knew that a massacre was in progress by Thursday evening but did nothing to stop it until Saturday morning."

The IDF not only allowed the Phalange to enter the camps, it also prevented the civilians of Sabra and Shatila to flee from their murders. Does that count as one or multiple "mistakes" in your accounting?

On the 29th anniversary of the Sabra and Shatila massacre | Mondoweiss
 
These descriptions strangely resemble the carnage thrust upon the Jews and others by the Nazis during the Holocaust.
All I've heard from the terrorist lovers since 1945 is, "Why didn't the Jews resist? And why did they allow themselves to be led to slaughter?"
I have the same question about these camps. Let the Turnspeak roll.
Because the PLO fighters left the camps prior to the massacres.

"The Sabra and Shatila massacre was the slaughter of between 762 and 3,500 Palestinian and Lebanese Shiite civilians, by a Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia, in the Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps in Beirut, Lebanon between September 16 and September 18, 1982, during the Lebanese civil war.

"The massacre was presented as retaliation for the assassination of newly elected Lebanese president Bachir Gemayel, the leader of the Lebanese Kataeb Party. It was wrongly assumed that Palestinian militants had carried out the assassination, which is now generally attributed to native, pro-Syrian militants.

"Israel invaded Lebanon with the intention of rooting out the PLO. Under the supervision of the Multinational Force the PLO withdrew from Lebanon following weeks of battles in West Beirut and shortly before the massacre took place."

Can you think of any valid purpose Sharon would have had for allowing revenge-seeking militia to have access to unarmed civilians for three days?

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My question was about why didn't the people defend themselves.
Your question is about why unarmed women, children, and the elderly didn't defend themselves against heavily armed militia?
 
Do you have any explanation, Georgie, as to why the other Arab countries didn't step in to save those thousands and thousands of Palestinians murdered by the previous King of Jordan? Surely there were telephone's during that time where the Palestinians could have called out to some of their Arab brethren to come help save them. After all, the Arabs had Russian MIGs.
I certainly hope that when it is the 30th anniversary of the event now happening in Syria that Georgie spends as much time commemorating the deaths of what could land up to be in the tens of thousands and maybe even more.
 
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The Kahan Commission (ועדת כהן), formally known as the Commission of Inquiry into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut, was established by the Israeli government on 28 September 1982, to investigate the Sabra and Shatila Massacre (16 September-18 September, 1982). The Kahan Commission was chaired by the President of the Supreme Court, Yitzhak Kahan. Its other two members were Supreme Court Judge Aharon Barak, and Major-General (res.) Yona Efrat. The Commission was to make recommendations on Israeli involvement in the massacre through an investigation of:
[A]ll the facts and factors connected with the atrocity carried out by a unit of the Lebanese Forces against the civilian population in the Shatilla and Sabra camps.
Following a four-month investigation, on 8 February 1983, the Kahan Commission submitted its report, which was released to the public by spokesman Bezalel Gordon simultaneously in Hebrew and English. It concluded that direct responsibility rested with the Gemayel Phalangists led by Fadi Frem, and that no Israelis were deemed directly responsible, although Israel was held to be indirectly responsible.
The decision on the entry of the Phalangists into the refugee camps was taken without consideration of the danger - which the makers and executors of the decision were obligated to foresee as probable - the Phalangists would commit massacres and pogroms against the inhabitants of the camps, and without an examination of the means for preventing this danger. Similarly, it is clear from the course of events that when the reports began to arrive about the actions of the Phalangists in the camps, no proper heed was taken of these reports, the correct conclusions were not drawn from them, and no energetic and immediate action were taken to restrain the Phalangists and put a stop to their actions.
The Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found to bear personal responsibility[1] "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed". Sharon's negligence in protecting the civilian population of Beirut, which had come under Israeli control, amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister.

The Israeli public was horrified by the news of the massacre, so some one had to take the blame, and since Sharon was Defense Minister, it was him, but to be fair the decision to trust the SLA in the camps was made much further down in the chain of command and passed forward as a recommended action. Sharon took it to the security cabinet and there was a difference of opinion, but it was finally approved. Clearly, it was a mistake to trust the Lebanese militia, and since Sharon was Defense Minister, it was ultimately his mistake.
How many "mistakes" did the heroic Jews make in Sabra and Shatila?

"On the morning of 18 September, Morris Draper, another of President Reagan's envoys dispatched to Beirut, sent a message to Sharon alleging Israeli responsibility: 'You must stop the massacres. They are obscene. I have an officer in the camp counting the bodies. You ought to be ashamed. They situation is rotten and terrible. They are killing children. You are in absolute control of the area, and therefore responsible for that area.'

"But the responsibility was greater than Draper suggested. On 15 September Israeli troops had surrounded Sabra and Shatila. They were never more than 300 yards away from the camps and sometimes as close as 50 yards.

"Moreover, Israeli soldiers were on the roof of the Kuwait embassy nearby and could see what was happening in both camps. There is a mass of evidence to show that the Israelis knew that a massacre was in progress by Thursday evening but did nothing to stop it until Saturday morning."

The IDF not only allowed the Phalange to enter the camps, it also prevented the civilians of Sabra and Shatila to flee from their murders. Does that count as one or multiple "mistakes" in your accounting?

On the 29th anniversary of the Sabra and Shatila massacre | Mondoweiss

The Lebanese militia had convinced the IDF that there were 2,000 to 3,000 PLO militant still in the camps so when the Lebanese went in the Israeli soldiers expected to hear gunfire and other signs of battle. There is no reason to think that the Israeli soldiers or officers knew that the people being killed were mostly women, children and some elderly. It was a terrible error in judgment to trust the Lebanese militia.
 
military errors during war are always rampant. Response by the people making the error is the clue to their intention. The slitting of the throats of infants is considered an heroic act among members of the Ummah and is profusely rewarded. Sharon was court martialed for believing some lies told him by some lebanese phalangists
 

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