Sabra and Shatila: 30 Years Ago Today

[P F Tinmore]

Why, Tinny, the Arabs armies told these people to leave so that they would be out of the way when they finished off the Jews. Then the people could come back and take the property which belonged to the Jews. The Arabs who stayed actually had money and property and are now living as citizens of Israel. In a way, it looks like Tinny had no problem with Arafat trying to take over Jordan for the "Palestinians," did you, Tinny? Can we mention here, Tinny, an anniversary for Black September, or would that be going against your delicate feelings? By the way, Tinny, many of the Arabs who left were not natives to the land. They came from surrounding countries, just like Arafat's family came from Egypt.

Are you still pimping this crap?

Yes, Tinmore. You can't deny the truth.

I don't.

 

[Hossfly]

Are you still pimping this crap?

Yes, Tinmore. You can't deny the truth.

I don't.

There is the real truth, and then there is the Arab truth. It all depends on which truth a person wants to believe. Meanwhile, Tinny, keep track of the dead in Syria. Maybe on the 30th anniversary of this, someone like you will come up with the Zionists were behind it and that's the honest-to-God truth.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I'm neither Christian nor Muslim nor immigrant, and I've never killed an innocent human being for money, how about you? (still bitching about those parades?)

How many Pakistani troops were in Jordan in September of 1970?

"Jordanian army attacks

"On September 15, King Hussein declared martial law. The next day, Jordanian tanks (the 60th Armored Brigade of the Jordanian Army) attacked the headquarters of Palestinian organizations in Amman; the army also attacked camps in Irbid, Salt, Sweileh, Baq'aa, Wehdat and Zarqa.

"Then the head of Pakistani training mission to Jordan, Brigadier Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (later Chief of Army Staff and President of Pakistan), took command of the 2nd division."

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Western capitalistic governments, owned by the richest 1% of their populations, created Pakistan, Israel, and Jordan in order to control resources like oil and natural gas.
Why do racist conservatives constantly fail to recognize the cause of atrocities like Black September or Bhopal which is yet another example of rich western corporations placing profits over innocent lives.

One thing we know for sure -- you are not a Hindu, Meanwhile, where is your complaint about Jordan getting 78 percent of the Palestine Mandate. Is it because the rulers were Muslims and not Jews? Evidently Georgie doesn't believe that the Pakistani General who took over didn't bring some of the Pakistani Army with him. He traveled to Jordan all by his lonesome. Tell us, Georgie, just how much oil does Jordan actually have that Western capitalistic countries were behind this Black September atrocity? I would imagine that Georgie wants us to forget that Arafat and his gang wanted to take over Jordan.

Meanwhile, where is your complaint about Jordan getting 78 percent of the Palestine Mandate. Is it because the rulers were Muslims and not Jews?

How many natives were kicked off their land by Jordan?

How many natives were kicked off their land by Israel?

Jordan killed many Palestinians during Back September 1970, and drove alot of them out of Jordan. Meanwhile, no Jews are allowed to live in Jordan.

 

[irosie91]

tinny is probably a support of the "CALIPHATE DELUSION" with all of its inherent filth

 

[docmauser1]

After one third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish shithole on the majority of Palestinians in 1948, remember?

Typically non sequitur drivel, of course.

650,000 Jews. 1.2 million Arab and others. 1948 Mandate Palestine. Do the math, drivel.

More non-sequitur drivel, of course.

 

[georgephillip]

Typically non sequitur drivel, of course.

650,000 Jews. 1.2 million Arab and others. 1948 Mandate Palestine. Do the math, drivel.

More non-sequitur drivel, of course.

1.85 million inhabitants of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
650,000 Jews.
Therefore: Jewish State.

What, exactly, "does not follow?"

 

[toomuchtime_]

650,000 Jews. 1.2 million Arab and others. 1948 Mandate Palestine. Do the math, drivel.

More non-sequitur drivel, of course.

1.85 million inhabitants of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
650,000 Jews.
Therefore: Jewish State.

What, exactly, "does not follow?"

Nothing follows from those numbers.

 

[irosie91]

When do you plan on providing proof for any of the crap you write?

Start with those definitive autopsies.

Your shilling for the "chosen people" is becoming shrill and redundant.

So Georgie doesn't think he is shilling for the Muslim people who happened to have killed Christians. Does anyone actually think that Georgie would have started a thread entitled "It is almost 100 years since the Muslim Turks murdered over a million Christian Armenians along with Greeks and Assyrians." Of course he wouldn't have because he couldn't have dragged the Jews/Israelis into this particular atrocity. He can't even face up to the fact that many Christians happened to be killed in Darmour which led the Maronites to seek revenge on the Palestinians.

You're right, Aristotle, it would never have occurred to me to mention the Armenian Genocide in a thread about Sabra and Shatila although the Turks based much of their racism on the same logical fallacies that many Jews today hold towards Arabs.

"Turkish rule...meant unutterable contempt...The Armenians (and Greeks) were dogs and pigs...to be spat upon, if their shadow darkened a Turk, to be outraged, to be the mats on which he wiped the mud from his feet..."

Sounds a little like life in Area C for today's non-chosen.

Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wrong agan the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE was no different from the scores of other genoicides comitted by muslims who adhere to the concepts of SHARIAH LAW The armenians rebelled agains their enslaved status as DHIMMIS Muslims murdered several million Biafrans for the same reason and several million Sudanese. Jews do not have a concept of dhimmia and, in fact, never engaged in Genocide -----not even remotely close Sherri suupports genocide under the rules of shariah as does georgie which no only allows the genocide of persons who refuse enslavement to islamic rule-----but actually DEMANDS IT

 

[georgephillip]

More non-sequitur drivel, of course.

1.85 million inhabitants of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
650,000 Jews.
Therefore: Jewish State.

What, exactly, "does not follow?"

Nothing follows from those numbers.

One-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish State upon a majority of Palestinians in 1948 follows from those numbers.

 

[georgephillip]

So Georgie doesn't think he is shilling for the Muslim people who happened to have killed Christians. Does anyone actually think that Georgie would have started a thread entitled "It is almost 100 years since the Muslim Turks murdered over a million Christian Armenians along with Greeks and Assyrians." Of course he wouldn't have because he couldn't have dragged the Jews/Israelis into this particular atrocity. He can't even face up to the fact that many Christians happened to be killed in Darmour which led the Maronites to seek revenge on the Palestinians.

You're right, Aristotle, it would never have occurred to me to mention the Armenian Genocide in a thread about Sabra and Shatila although the Turks based much of their racism on the same logical fallacies that many Jews today hold towards Arabs.

"Turkish rule...meant unutterable contempt...The Armenians (and Greeks) were dogs and pigs...to be spat upon, if their shadow darkened a Turk, to be outraged, to be the mats on which he wiped the mud from his feet..."

Sounds a little like life in Area C for today's non-chosen.

Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

wrong agan the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE was no different from the scores of other genoicides comitted by muslims who adhere to the concepts of SHARIAH LAW The armenians rebelled agains their enslaved status as DHIMMIS Muslims murdered several million Biafrans for the same reason and several million Sudanese. Jews do not have a concept of dhimmia and, in fact, never engaged in Genocide -----not even remotely close Sherri suupports genocide under the rules of shariah as does georgie which no only allows the genocide of persons who refuse enslavement to islamic rule-----but actually DEMANDS IT

If Jews didn't invent slavery, they wrote the owners' manual:

"However, once the modern state had come into existence, the Jewish community lost its powers to punish or intimidate the individual Jew. The bonds of one of the most closed of 'closed societies', one of the most totalitarian societies in the whole history of mankind were snapped."

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years

 

[MHunterB]

Shahak is about as believable on Judaism as Hirsan Ali or Walid Shoebat on Islam.......

 

[georgephillip]

Shahak is about as believable on Judaism as Hirsan Ali or Walid Shoebat on Islam.......

""Shahak is an outstanding scholar, with remarkable insight and depth of knowledge. His work is informed and penetrating, a contribution of great value.’
– Noam Chomsky
‘The future of the Palestinian people would have looked much brighter if there had been more Israelis like Shahak ... An outstanding personality.’
– The Jerusalem Times
‘Shahak is a very brave man who should be honored for his services to humanity ... One of the most remarkable individuals in the contemporary Middle East.’
– Edward Said
‘This is a remarkable book ...[It] deserves a wide readership, not only among Jews, but among Christians who seek a fuller understanding both of historical Judaism and of modern-day Israel."’

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/shahak.html#2

 

[Hossfly]

Shahak is about as believable on Judaism as Hirsan Ali or Walid Shoebat on Islam.......

""Shahak is an outstanding scholar, with remarkable insight and depth of knowledge. His work is informed and penetrating, a contribution of great value.’
– Noam Chomsky
‘The future of the Palestinian people would have looked much brighter if there had been more Israelis like Shahak ... An outstanding personality.’
– The Jerusalem Times
‘Shahak is a very brave man who should be honored for his services to humanity ... One of the most remarkable individuals in the contemporary Middle East.’
– Edward Said
‘This is a remarkable book ...[It] deserves a wide readership, not only among Jews, but among Christians who seek a fuller understanding both of historical Judaism and of modern-day Israel."’

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years

We all learned about this Shahak fellow from the NeoNazis/Islamofascists. He is one of their favorite Jews on the hate sites. Meanwhile all he was was a chemistry professor who was a Communist and hated all religions. I am willing to bet that little Georgie here never read the rebuttal to Shahak's work by Werner Cohn. I wonder if little Georgie knows that Shahak's work is published by a NeoNazi publishing house in France. No doubt the stuff which comes out of NeoNazi publishing houses is right up his alley. By the way, if I got a buck for each time posters with the mind set of Georgie brought up this Shahak character, I could probably take the money and go for a luxury cruise around the world.

 

[georgephillip]

"Israel Shahak was a resident of the Warsaw Ghetto and a survivor of Bergen-Belsen. He arrived in Palestine in 1945 and lived there until his death in 2001. He was an outspoken critic of the state of Israel and a human rights activist. He was also the author of the highly acclaimed Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel (Pluto Press 1999) and Open Secrets: Israeli Nuclear and Foreign Policies(Pluto Press 1997)."

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years

You have a real problem criticizing other fundamentalists, don't you?
Has the Jewish State ever taken an action you disagree with?
What's the name of that Neo-Nazi publishing house in France?
Do you mean this Werner Cohn?
Maybe you can link to some of his rebuttals to Israel Shahak.

The simple fact that you don't even make an attempt at refuting the content of Shahak's allegations about the closed nature of Jewish societies speaks volumes about your motives and knowledge base.

 

[Hossfly]

"Israel Shahak was a resident of the Warsaw Ghetto and a survivor of Bergen-Belsen. He arrived in Palestine in 1945 and lived there until his death in 2001. He was an outspoken critic of the state of Israel and a human rights activist. He was also the author of the highly acclaimed Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel (Pluto Press 1999) and Open Secrets: Israeli Nuclear and Foreign Policies(Pluto Press 1997)."

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years

You have a real problem criticizing other fundamentalists, don't you?
Has the Jewish State ever taken an action you disagree with?
What's the name of that Neo-Nazi publishing house in France?
Do you mean this Werner Cohn?
Maybe you can link to some of his rebuttals to Israel Shahak.

The simple fact that you don't even make an attempt at refuting the content of Shahak's allegations about the closed nature of Jewish societies speaks volumes about your motives and knowledge base.

WERNER COHN on SHAHAK:

Shahak: The Jews are Bad

 

[docmauser1]

One-third of the population of Mandate Palestine inflicted a Jewish State upon a majority of Palestinians in 1948 follows from those numbers.

Like mexican "palestinians" in California?

 

[MHunterB]

"Israel Shahak was a resident of the Warsaw Ghetto and a survivor of Bergen-Belsen. He arrived in Palestine in 1945 and lived there until his death in 2001. He was an outspoken critic of the state of Israel and a human rights activist. He was also the author of the highly acclaimed Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel (Pluto Press 1999) and Open Secrets: Israeli Nuclear and Foreign Policies(Pluto Press 1997)."

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years

You have a real problem criticizing other fundamentalists, don't you?
Has the Jewish State ever taken an action you disagree with?
What's the name of that Neo-Nazi publishing house in France?
Do you mean this Werner Cohn?
Maybe you can link to some of his rebuttals to Israel Shahak.

The simple fact that you don't even make an attempt at refuting the content of Shahak's allegations about the closed nature of Jewish societies speaks volumes about your motives and knowledge base.

The site you have linked to as a 'source' above is a noted hate speech site: it is NOT in any sense a news outlet. Chomsky is another extreme leftist whose field of expertise is LINGUISTICS, not history. And Said is an Arabist.

It's all too obvious that you have chosen ONLY the extreme left as your 'reference', carefully avoiding the entire mainstream segment of the spectrum as though it were radioactive........

 

[irosie91]

Shahak was very much a COMMUNIST not just leftist----ALL COMMUNIST and his big issue was ANTI RELIGION he was never assassinated Salmon Rushdie is still hiding and shahak lived to a ripe old age and freely walked the streets of Israel thanks for highlighting the extreme tolerance for dissidence which characterizes Israel

 

[Hossfly]

Shahak was very much a COMMUNIST not just leftist----ALL COMMUNIST and his big issue was ANTI RELIGION he was never assassinated Salmon Rushdie is still hiding and shahak lived to a ripe old age and freely walked the streets of Israel thanks for highlighting the extreme tolerance for dissidence which characterizes Israel

It is pathetic how those like little Georgie constantly pull up the same stuff year after year. I guess it is because they don't have much so it is the same old, same old we see from them. This Shahak character not only has been pulled up constantly by anti-Semites and NeoNazis, but also Muslims posting on these boards. It is like they are all reading the same handbook. Meanwhile, as they are pulling up the same old stuff, the Muslims are still being intolerant and killing those who don't believe as they do while in Israel people can follow their beliefs in peace. For example, the Bahaiis are being killed in Iran, but they have a beautiful temple in Israel where nobody is bothering them. The same goes for the Ahmadi Muslims in Israel with their beautiful mosque and who are being harassed and killed in Muslim countries.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

More non-sequitur drivel, of course.

1.85 million inhabitants of Mandate Palestine in 1948.
650,000 Jews.
Therefore: Jewish State.

What, exactly, "does not follow?"

Nothing follows from those numbers.

Actually, what follows from those numbers is that the Jews had a significant population, and the Arabs could have accepted the Partition Plan at that time.