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Right now, it is within the State's power on Insurance, regardless of commerce laws...it is still the State's prerogative to allow insurance companies from another State, be sold and used by their citizens, within their State...So you really want to take away the State's right to govern it's own State's Insurance and hand that over to the federal government via the federal gvt's FORCE? By the federal gvt changing the law to allow citizens to buy insurance across state lines, then you are taking away your State gvt's power to protect you, and regulate insurance in your own State...Did I say anything about bearing the pain to bring it back down? I said, that if you think it can be abolished tomorrow, or in an instant with a vote...you are dreaming.... if congress agreed to abolish it, it will take just as many years, at least 4 yrs, to bring it down....and even that would take a miracle...with congress having to work together to dismantle itSo it's OK to bare the pain of it going up, but not the pain of it going down?
That's pure leftwing idiocy.
Nah, it won't take long at all. If the remove all those controls in insurance companies, then they will come to a solution within a year. While they are at it, they can remove the barriers to selling insurance in other states to there is true competition. Than can also remove the limits on HSAs so people can become largely self-insuring within a few years.
SOOOOO, I guess ''believing'' in State Rights is not your thing, eh? Or only your thing when it is convenient for you...?
No, the state can impose all the regulations it likes except on: it can bar insurance companies in other states from doing business there. That's the case with every other product sold in the market place. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to regulate commerce among the states. That's one of the few powers the federal government actually does have.
and believe it or not, there are some States who have made agreements with other States, to allow this to happen.... to allow insurance to be bought and regulated among those states who have agreed to each others rules and regs.
Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.Prior to Obamacare, single young men didn't have to pay for maternity coverage or birth control. No one had to have coverage for sex change operations or drug abuse counselling if they didn't want.
That's both utterly idiotic and flat out wrong, and group insurance doesn't work that way you idiot, not even when you buy an individual policy. It's a package deal, not a fucking line-item pick and choose. Damn you are dumb.Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.Prior to Obamacare, single young men didn't have to pay for maternity coverage or birth control. No one had to have coverage for sex change operations or drug abuse counselling if they didn't want.
Those are the facts, moron. You should learn how insurance works in a free market. Without government compulsion, you aren't forced to pay for stuff you don't want.
That's both utterly idiotic and flat out wrong, and group insurance doesn't work that way you idiot, not even when you buy an individual policy. It's a package deal, not a fucking line-item pick and choose. Damn you are dumb.Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.Prior to Obamacare, single young men didn't have to pay for maternity coverage or birth control. No one had to have coverage for sex change operations or drug abuse counselling if they didn't want.
Those are the facts, moron. You should learn how insurance works in a free market. Without government compulsion, you aren't forced to pay for stuff you don't want.
That is not even close to what you said dumbass but you're getting closer. Still, your average group policy pays for maternity care. Do I need to explain to you where babies come from and why 50% of the people in said policy won't be using said maternity benefit, but will still be paying for it?That's both utterly idiotic and flat out wrong, and group insurance doesn't work that way you idiot, not even when you buy an individual policy. It's a package deal, not a fucking line-item pick and choose. Damn you are dumb.Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.Prior to Obamacare, single young men didn't have to pay for maternity coverage or birth control. No one had to have coverage for sex change operations or drug abuse counselling if they didn't want.
Those are the facts, moron. You should learn how insurance works in a free market. Without government compulsion, you aren't forced to pay for stuff you don't want.
Hmmm, you're just plain wrong about that. Yeah, you can't pick and choose when you're in a group policy, but your employer can. That gives the insurance company a lot of incentive not to load it down with stuff most people aren't going to use, like coverage for sex change operations.
because it covers a person's life, and livelihood, and State governments are the best way to do such... they are locally elected, and we the people have more controlRight now, it is within the State's power on Insurance, regardless of commerce laws...it is still the State's prerogative to allow insurance companies from another State, be sold and used by their citizens, within their State...So you really want to take away the State's right to govern it's own State's Insurance and hand that over to the federal government via the federal gvt's FORCE? By the federal gvt changing the law to allow citizens to buy insurance across state lines, then you are taking away your State gvt's power to protect you, and regulate insurance in your own State...Did I say anything about bearing the pain to bring it back down? I said, that if you think it can be abolished tomorrow, or in an instant with a vote...you are dreaming.... if congress agreed to abolish it, it will take just as many years, at least 4 yrs, to bring it down....and even that would take a miracle...with congress having to work together to dismantle it
Nah, it won't take long at all. If the remove all those controls in insurance companies, then they will come to a solution within a year. While they are at it, they can remove the barriers to selling insurance in other states to there is true competition. Than can also remove the limits on HSAs so people can become largely self-insuring within a few years.
SOOOOO, I guess ''believing'' in State Rights is not your thing, eh? Or only your thing when it is convenient for you...?
No, the state can impose all the regulations it likes except on: it can bar insurance companies in other states from doing business there. That's the case with every other product sold in the market place. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to regulate commerce among the states. That's one of the few powers the federal government actually does have.
I just said the federal government should revoke that control. The Constitution gives it the authority to do so.
and believe it or not, there are some States who have made agreements with other States, to allow this to happen.... to allow insurance to be bought and regulated among those states who have agreed to each others rules and regs.
Irrelevant. The federal government doesn't allow states to prevent other products from being sold in locally. Why should insurance be any different?
because it covers a person's life, and livelihood, and State governments are the best way to do such... they are locally elected, and we the people have more controlRight now, it is within the State's power on Insurance, regardless of commerce laws...it is still the State's prerogative to allow insurance companies from another State, be sold and used by their citizens, within their State...So you really want to take away the State's right to govern it's own State's Insurance and hand that over to the federal government via the federal gvt's FORCE? By the federal gvt changing the law to allow citizens to buy insurance across state lines, then you are taking away your State gvt's power to protect you, and regulate insurance in your own State...Nah, it won't take long at all. If the remove all those controls in insurance companies, then they will come to a solution within a year. While they are at it, they can remove the barriers to selling insurance in other states to there is true competition. Than can also remove the limits on HSAs so people can become largely self-insuring within a few years.
SOOOOO, I guess ''believing'' in State Rights is not your thing, eh? Or only your thing when it is convenient for you...?
No, the state can impose all the regulations it likes except on: it can bar insurance companies in other states from doing business there. That's the case with every other product sold in the market place. The Constitution gives the federal government the authority to regulate commerce among the states. That's one of the few powers the federal government actually does have.
I just said the federal government should revoke that control. The Constitution gives it the authority to do so.
and believe it or not, there are some States who have made agreements with other States, to allow this to happen.... to allow insurance to be bought and regulated among those states who have agreed to each others rules and regs.
Irrelevant. The federal government doesn't allow states to prevent other products from being sold in locally. Why should insurance be any different?
it took 4 years plus to bring it up, it will take at least that, to bring it back down...I don't think so....I think a LOT has happened since the ACA was initiated, and there is no turning back the clocks or twitching ones nose to bring it back to the way it was, Once upon a time.I don't see that as advocating for the ACA, I see that as a reality, IF congress does not come up with reform....Sure, see in red.
I see you were advocating for the ACA. You're so called "reality" is in fact a delusion.
The ACA can be abolished with the stroke of a pen. The claim that were stuck with it is fatuous, to say the least.
it's an Impossible Dream, to think otherwise imo.
your welcome, glad I could clarify that for you!!!I don't see that as advocating for the ACA, I see that as a reality, IF congress does not come up with reform....Really? Hmmmm, show me where I was advocating for anything, anything at all....Um...OK? That would make a lot more sense if you were not the one advocating authoritarian government and I were not the one advocating they stay away from my body.
Sure, see in red.
Sure. that the world will implode if we don't keep Obamacare isn't advocating for Obamacare. Gotcha, thanks for clarifying that.
your welcome, glad I could clarify that for you!!!I don't see that as advocating for the ACA, I see that as a reality, IF congress does not come up with reform....Really? Hmmmm, show me where I was advocating for anything, anything at all....
Sure, see in red.
Sure. that the world will implode if we don't keep Obamacare isn't advocating for Obamacare. Gotcha, thanks for clarifying that.
The flaw in your logic is that you assume that Obamacare would have to be replaced by another government monstrosity. So you assume that government control over healthcare would require another program for government to control health care, and that would take time. It would also lead us back where we are now, an expensive, crappy system. Free markets take no time at all to make corrections.
Yes it will, accountants has been warning about this. Just about every earned income tax credit will end this year. Obama raising taxes on the poor of the poorest.no, the $640 a month subsidy is not added to his income....You do realize that $640 a month subsidy will be counted as earned income at the end of the year? $7680 dollars added to your income. That will put most into another tax bracket. You do realize that?mr h, do you only have 1 child at home? no other child in college under 25?
If you had 2 children, instead of 1, with the figures you gave earlier, you would qualify for $640 a month in subsidy....but nothing with 1 child....
That's both utterly idiotic and flat out wrong, and group insurance doesn't work that way you idiot, not even when you buy an individual policy. It's a package deal, not a fucking line-item pick and choose. Damn you are dumb.Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.Prior to Obamacare, single young men didn't have to pay for maternity coverage or birth control. No one had to have coverage for sex change operations or drug abuse counselling if they didn't want.
Those are the facts, moron. You should learn how insurance works in a free market. Without government compulsion, you aren't forced to pay for stuff you don't want.
Since Obama instituted this new health care program, I lost my job because my employer couldn't pay the "new" health care costs". And since my new employer won't pay my health care costs, my new co pay through Humana is like 800 percent more. I used to pay 5O cents a year ago for the same medicine, now it's 44 bucks for the SAME THING! "Obama care" isn't affordable nor is it helping us. Lose you job, then pay more....Yeah for Obama!
Since Obama instituted this new health care program, I lost my job because my employer couldn't pay the "new" health care costs". And since my new employer won't pay my health care costs, my new co pay through Humana is like 800 percent more. I used to pay 5O cents a year ago for the same medicine, now it's 44 bucks for the SAME THING! "Obama care" isn't affordable nor is it helping us. Lose you job, then pay more....Yeah for Obama!
That is the price you have to pay in order that the welfare queens can get their subsidies.
You're a lot better off with O-Care than you would be before. Was your boss a fear mongered Pub dupe, too, by any chance? If you live in a red state, you're paying more until they start cooperating. Also, sounds like he fired you before he had to even get employee insurance. Etc, etc. Pubs and dupes sigh....Since Obama instituted this new health care program, I lost my job because my employer couldn't pay the "new" health care costs". And since my new employer won't pay my health care costs, my new co pay through Humana is like 800 percent more. I used to pay 5O cents a year ago for the same medicine, now it's 44 bucks for the SAME THING! "Obama care" isn't affordable nor is it helping us. Lose you job, then pay more....Yeah for Obama!
Ah, the good old days of people not being able to get insurance, women paying more, and insurance bureaucrats cutting people off when they most needed it, people forced onto welfare to get health care, no oversight of costs, and no transparent competition...That's both utterly idiotic and flat out wrong, and group insurance doesn't work that way you idiot, not even when you buy an individual policy. It's a package deal, not a fucking line-item pick and choose. Damn you are dumb.Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.Prior to Obamacare, single young men didn't have to pay for maternity coverage or birth control. No one had to have coverage for sex change operations or drug abuse counselling if they didn't want.
Those are the facts, moron. You should learn how insurance works in a free market. Without government compulsion, you aren't forced to pay for stuff you don't want.
Sorry but you are wrong.
Individual plans were indeed a kind of a la carte plan....
Ah, the good old days of people not being able to get insurance, women paying more, and insurance bureaucrats cutting people off when they most needed it, no oversight of costs, and no transparent competition...That's both utterly idiotic and flat out wrong, and group insurance doesn't work that way you idiot, not even when you buy an individual policy. It's a package deal, not a fucking line-item pick and choose. Damn you are dumb.Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.Prior to Obamacare, single young men didn't have to pay for maternity coverage or birth control. No one had to have coverage for sex change operations or drug abuse counselling if they didn't want.
Those are the facts, moron. You should learn how insurance works in a free market. Without government compulsion, you aren't forced to pay for stuff you don't want.
Sorry but you are wrong.
Individual plans were indeed a kind of a la carte plan....
Says the "unbiased" insurance man/dupe. Guaranteed and getting cheaper.Ah, the good old days of people not being able to get insurance, women paying more, and insurance bureaucrats cutting people off when they most needed it, no oversight of costs, and no transparent competition...That's both utterly idiotic and flat out wrong, and group insurance doesn't work that way you idiot, not even when you buy an individual policy. It's a package deal, not a fucking line-item pick and choose. Damn you are dumb.Where do you get this bullshit from? Learn how group insurance works. That ain't it.
Those are the facts, moron. You should learn how insurance works in a free market. Without government compulsion, you aren't forced to pay for stuff you don't want.
Sorry but you are wrong.
Individual plans were indeed a kind of a la carte plan....
Poor franco...the new plans are not better.
So what I keep wondering.....
If health care is so overly expensive....why are the dems not realizing that they need to let us feel the pain.
Once people are actually paying for their health care...and not living on someone else....the costs will come down.
As long as insurance companies are propped up by the government, that ain't never gonna happen.
