Slut Or Not??

[Unkotare]

'The sex industry has grown by 17 times in the past 15 years' - Times Of India


German's legalized prostitution brought more exploitation than emancipation to women - National Human Rights | Examiner.com


Family Policy Institute - Prostitution - Prostitution is a Violation of Human Rights

 

[High_Gravity]

What kind?

While I have never been a fetish escort, when I was in law school I picked up a little extra cash by providing fetish services. The best thing about it was no sex. No kissing, handholding, hugging, no sex. It was a breeze. It paid very well too. Men will fork over the cash for the oddest things.

Big asses, some bondage etc. nothing too crazy. I used to have a foot fetish but that died out years ago for some reason.

What a SHAME! A good foot fetish is very popular with the ladies. There was this one Italian guy, really Italian from Italy with the smoothest accent who paid to rub, kiss and lick my feet for an hour twice a month. I should have married him. I would have let him for free, he was that good. A man with a foot fetish is worth his weight in gold.

LOL I don't know what to say, I kind of grew out of it, thats something I really used to like in my late teens, early 20's and it fizzled out I guess, you probably should have married that Italian guy though.

 

[Unkotare]

Prohibition of drugs, gambling and prostitution are the root cause of the overwhelming majority of violent crime. End prohibition and violent crime drops by 90%

Hell, just eliminate ALL laws and crime drops by 100%

 

[Katzndogz]

HG hit the issue on the head. Just as somebody earlier hit it on the head that bootleggers are still in business and have been despite prohibitiion being repealed and liquor being legally sold just about everywhere. Why? Because the bootleggers can sell it much more cheaply and make a good profit than can the legal dealers. The product won't be as safe, but those wanting it cheap don't care.

Fox,

I could walk less than a block and get crack, meth, or a hooker. I don't believe I could get moonshine within 500 miles of Los Angeles. It isn't profitable to make moonshine.

Same with prostitution. Legalize it, license it, regulate it, tax it, and the costs go up. People who can afford a safer prostitute will go that route. But the unlicensed, illegal pimps and prostitutes will still have a clientele because there are people who want it cheap despite the risks.

Nonsense.

The only thing I have to go on is the HBO series on prostitution in America; but those girls were charging $200 for a blow job. If anything, the prices would go sharply down as competition was introduced. In all business there is a risk/reward ratio. As risk goes up, so must reward. Take the risk out, prices fall.

So......my preference is that each state or each community do with it whatever they want. Those places that don't want prostitution should be able to vote it down and keep it illegal. Those who want it should legalize it, regulate it, tax it as they see fit. That's probably the best we're going to be able to do and say that we are a free society that governs itself.

Prohibition of drugs, gambling and prostitution are the root cause of the overwhelming majority of violent crime. End prohibition and violent crime drops by 90%

Not so much violent crime would go down. That's a red herring. Gambling is so accepted and common it begs the question of whether it's still illegal! Legalizing prostitution is going to be pretty much neutral as far as crime goes. As has been pointed out, you can arrest whores for being whores or just unlicensed whores, take your pick. Legalizing drugs is likely the only way now, of reduciing the number of drug users is by attrition. They tend to die young.

 

[Katzndogz]

Come to think of it, the only time I have seen anti gambling laws applied is at senior citizen centers for penny poker!

 

[High_Gravity]

Come to think of it, the only time I have seen anti gambling laws applied is at senior citizen centers for penny poker!

Gambling should just be legal, whats the big deal really?

 

[Katzndogz]

Come to think of it, the only time I have seen anti gambling laws applied is at senior citizen centers for penny poker!

Gambling should just be legal, whats the big deal really?

I don't know. The theory is that gamblers will impoverish their families by their gambling habit. They will bet the rent money, the food money, everything on the game. Then those families will have to go on the public dole. Gamblers will commit various crimes to support their habit. They are like druggies.

In reality, there are so many avenues for legal gambling now that whatever bad effects from gambling there are, it's going on. It seems silly to have laws that only affect penny poker and the office football pool. The heavy hitters are at the card clubs, lottery sales and off track betting venues.

 

[Foxfyre]

HG hit the issue on the head. Just as somebody earlier hit it on the head that bootleggers are still in business and have been despite prohibitiion being repealed and liquor being legally sold just about everywhere. Why? Because the bootleggers can sell it much more cheaply and make a good profit than can the legal dealers. The product won't be as safe, but those wanting it cheap don't care.

Fox,

I could walk less than a block and get crack, meth, or a hooker. I don't believe I could get moonshine within 500 miles of Los Angeles. It isn't profitable to make moonshine.



Nonsense.

The only thing I have to go on is the HBO series on prostitution in America; but those girls were charging $200 for a blow job. If anything, the prices would go sharply down as competition was introduced. In all business there is a risk/reward ratio. As risk goes up, so must reward. Take the risk out, prices fall.

So......my preference is that each state or each community do with it whatever they want. Those places that don't want prostitution should be able to vote it down and keep it illegal. Those who want it should legalize it, regulate it, tax it as they see fit. That's probably the best we're going to be able to do and say that we are a free society that governs itself.

Prohibition of drugs, gambling and prostitution are the root cause of the overwhelming majority of violent crime. End prohibition and violent crime drops by 90%

Not so much violent crime would go down. That's a red herring. Gambling is so accepted and common it begs the question of whether it's still illegal! Legalizing prostitution is going to be pretty much neutral as far as crime goes. As has been pointed out, you can arrest whores for being whores or just unlicensed whores, take your pick. Legalizing drugs is likely the only way now, of reduciing the number of drug users is by attrition. They tend to die young.

To Uncensored and Katz:

I will concede that moonshining isn't the major industry that it was under prohibition and I doubt the Mob fools with it anymore. But no moonshine available within 500 miles of L.A.? I really doubt that given that the craft itself continues to be handed down from generation to generation. Our descendants of Italian immigrants here in New Mexico and Kansas, for instance, almost all know the process of making "dago red wine" and almost all who make it make more than they need for their own use. Moonshine whiskey is not a lost art either. Major industry, no. Thriving cottage industry, yes.

But in a more practical matter, what highschool kid doesn't know how to lay his/her hand on beer or wine or hard liquor if he or she wants it? Probably most of it was purchased from a licensed source by somebody, but not all. Most especially in some rural areas.

Legalizing liquor has not reduced its use or abuse or the carnage in personal destruction or harm to others resulting from that. Nor will legalizing drugs. Nor will legalizing prostitution. It would probably empty out a lot of the jails and prisons, yes. But that is probably the only positive we would get out of it while putting more users and abusers back on the streets. And unless it is legalized for the kids, too, the illegal dealers will have a lot of incentive to focus on them more. Because of all the positives and negatives involved, legalization of the 'vices' is a legitimate and necessary component of the national discussion and education.

But it still should be left up to the local folks what sort of society they wish to have.

 

[High_Gravity]

Come to think of it, the only time I have seen anti gambling laws applied is at senior citizen centers for penny poker!

Gambling should just be legal, whats the big deal really?

I don't know. The theory is that gamblers will impoverish their families by their gambling habit. They will bet the rent money, the food money, everything on the game. Then those families will have to go on the public dole. Gamblers will commit various crimes to support their habit. They are like druggies.

In reality, there are so many avenues for legal gambling now that whatever bad effects from gambling there are, it's going on. It seems silly to have laws that only affect penny poker and the office football pool. The heavy hitters are at the card clubs, lottery sales and off track betting venues.

Those people who like to gamble money will still do it even if it is illegal in their State, with the internet there are so many ways to bet money now its ridiculous.

 

[Katzndogz]

Gambling should just be legal, whats the big deal really?

I don't know. The theory is that gamblers will impoverish their families by their gambling habit. They will bet the rent money, the food money, everything on the game. Then those families will have to go on the public dole. Gamblers will commit various crimes to support their habit. They are like druggies.

In reality, there are so many avenues for legal gambling now that whatever bad effects from gambling there are, it's going on. It seems silly to have laws that only affect penny poker and the office football pool. The heavy hitters are at the card clubs, lottery sales and off track betting venues.

Those people who like to gamble money will still do it even if it is illegal in their State, with the internet there are so many ways to bet money now its ridiculous.

Then it is up to the states to make their own laws. In California we have TONS of gambling places and laws against gambling too! It makes no sense.

 

[Katzndogz]

Fox,

I could walk less than a block and get crack, meth, or a hooker. I don't believe I could get moonshine within 500 miles of Los Angeles. It isn't profitable to make moonshine.



Nonsense.

The only thing I have to go on is the HBO series on prostitution in America; but those girls were charging $200 for a blow job. If anything, the prices would go sharply down as competition was introduced. In all business there is a risk/reward ratio. As risk goes up, so must reward. Take the risk out, prices fall.



Prohibition of drugs, gambling and prostitution are the root cause of the overwhelming majority of violent crime. End prohibition and violent crime drops by 90%

Not so much violent crime would go down. That's a red herring. Gambling is so accepted and common it begs the question of whether it's still illegal! Legalizing prostitution is going to be pretty much neutral as far as crime goes. As has been pointed out, you can arrest whores for being whores or just unlicensed whores, take your pick. Legalizing drugs is likely the only way now, of reduciing the number of drug users is by attrition. They tend to die young.

To Uncensored and Katz:

I will concede that moonshining isn't the major industry that it was under prohibition and I doubt the Mob fools with it anymore. But no moonshine available within 500 miles of L.A.? I really doubt that given that the craft itself continues to be handed down from generation to generation. Our descendants of Italian immigrants here in New Mexico and Kansas, for instance, almost all know the process of making "dago red wine" and almost all who make it make more than they need for their own use. Moonshine whiskey is not a lost art either. Major industry, no. Thriving cottage industry, yes.

But in a more practical matter, what highschool kid doesn't know how to lay his/her hand on beer or wine or hard liquor if he or she wants it? Probably most of it was purchased from a licensed source by somebody, but not all. Most especially in some rural areas.

Legalizing liquor has not reduced its use or abuse or the carnage in personal destruction or harm to others resulting from that. Nor will legalizing drugs. Nor will legalizing prostitution. It would probably empty out a lot of the jails and prisons, yes. But that is probably the only positive we would get out of it while putting more users and abusers back on the streets. And unless it is legalized for the kids, too, the illegal dealers will have a lot of incentive to focus on them more.

But it still should be left up to the local folks what sort of society they wish to have.

You can buy make your own beer kits on Amazon.

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[High_Gravity]

I don't know. The theory is that gamblers will impoverish their families by their gambling habit. They will bet the rent money, the food money, everything on the game. Then those families will have to go on the public dole. Gamblers will commit various crimes to support their habit. They are like druggies.

In reality, there are so many avenues for legal gambling now that whatever bad effects from gambling there are, it's going on. It seems silly to have laws that only affect penny poker and the office football pool. The heavy hitters are at the card clubs, lottery sales and off track betting venues.

Those people who like to gamble money will still do it even if it is illegal in their State, with the internet there are so many ways to bet money now its ridiculous.

Then it is up to the states to make their own laws. In California we have TONS of gambling places and laws against gambling too! It makes no sense.

I live in Birmingham Alabama and gambling is completely illegal.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Let us take a look at what happened with the Bush tax cuts:
The Bush tax cuts put the rich paying more taxes after they were initiated than any time in the prior 20 years.
1990 the richest 1% paid 25% of all income taxes and in 2005 they paid 45% of all income taxes.
The richest 5% went from paying 44% of all income taxes in 1990 to paying 60% of all income taxes in 2005.
In 1980 the top income tax rate was 70% and the top 1% paid 19 % of all income taxes. They cut it in half.
Wall Street Journal analysis. 12/7/07

Bush cut taxes twice...2001 and 2003. He used the reconciliation procedure to block any Democratic opposition. I would like for you to look at what happened to the upper 1% right after the second cut in 2003:

Do even have a clue that your graph proves my point??
Tax revenues go up BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS MADE A SHIT LOAD OF $$$$$$$!
If that doesn't make sense to you then you need a basic Econ 101 course.
We doubled the tax revenues going into government, the top 1% paid TWICE AS MUCH IN TAX REVENUES AND TWICE AS MUCH AS A % OF TOTAL TAXES PAID when the tax rate was cut from 70% to 35%.
When you allow folks to keep more of what they make the tax revenues always increase.
$$$ left in the private sector is invested and spent.
There is an interview with Obama and I believe Matt Laurer. Laurer showed Obama this, the fact that the wealthy now pay twice as much as a % of all taxes paid as a result of the top rate going from 70% to 35% and Obama admitted that was true. This was Obama's response, "Well, that is true, when we give tax cuts to the rich the amount of taxes they pay as a % of all income taxes goes up but revenue streams do not tell the story. It simply IS NOT FAIR that the wealthy got a tax break and that is all that matters, fairness."
People do not care about the health of the nation and the amount of tax revenues total collected. They care about what "is fair" and they care if someone gets to keep the $$ THEY FUCKING EARNED.
Happy to educate you in economics.

The part I noticed what that the bottom tier's wages completly stagnated while the upper 1% made the shitload of dollars you mentioned.

Reagan and Bush41 cut taxes, borrowed from foreign banks and quadrupled the national debt from less than $1 trillion to more than $4 trillion.

Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993-1994 while he still had a Democratic congress, balanced the annual budget and actually had the whole thing on course to completely pay off the total national debt. You know what....the goddam Republican party is so hell bent on low taxes at the top that George W. Bush took over that surplus, cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition and proceeded to double the debt again. Is it that hard for you to fathom Maybe you need a picture:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Katzndogz]

Those people who like to gamble money will still do it even if it is illegal in their State, with the internet there are so many ways to bet money now its ridiculous.

Then it is up to the states to make their own laws. In California we have TONS of gambling places and laws against gambling too! It makes no sense.

I live in Birmingham Alabama and gambling is completely illegal.

Run for your state legislature.

 

[High_Gravity]

Then it is up to the states to make their own laws. In California we have TONS of gambling places and laws against gambling too! It makes no sense.

I live in Birmingham Alabama and gambling is completely illegal.

Run for your state legislature.

HAHA, the ideas I have for this state would have me chased out of town.

 

[Foxfyre]

Those people who like to gamble money will still do it even if it is illegal in their State, with the internet there are so many ways to bet money now its ridiculous.

Then it is up to the states to make their own laws. In California we have TONS of gambling places and laws against gambling too! It makes no sense.

I live in Birmingham Alabama and gambling is completely illegal.

And I live in New Mexico where casino gambling is legal on Indian reservations or at the State fairgrounds only. Those are easily accessible to those of us who live in the western and northern part of the state--three casinos right here in Albuquerque or abutting Albuquerque and several others within easy driving distance-- not so accessible to those on the eastern side of the state where there is no reservation land.

Of note, in the west and north, the Gambler's Anonymous attendance has quadrupled since gambling was legalized in the state and you can take it to the bank that for every person in that program, there are ten others who need to be. Little difference is noted in the east where casino gambling is not so easily accessible.

I'm not saying that I think the casinos should be closed down at all. But if we are brutally honest, we have to see that legalizing 'vices' may change some of the issues re crime, punishment, etc., but there are also negative consequences to consider.

 

[High_Gravity]

Then it is up to the states to make their own laws. In California we have TONS of gambling places and laws against gambling too! It makes no sense.

I live in Birmingham Alabama and gambling is completely illegal.

And I live in New Mexico where casino gambling is legal on Indian reservations or at the State fairgrounds only. Those are easily accessible to those of us who live in the western and northern part of the state--three casinos right here in Albuquerque or abutting Albuquerque and several others within easy driving distance-- not so accessible to those on the eastern side of the state.

Of note, in the west and north, in the the Gambler's Anonymous attendance has quadrupled since gambling was legalized in the state and you can take it to the bank that for every person in that program, there are ten others who need to be. Little difference is noted in the east where casino gambling is not so easily accessible.

I have no attraction to gambling whatsoever, even if there were 10 casinoes next to my house I wouldn't gamble, I don't like losing money. When I was stationed at Vandenberg they had the Chumash Casino about half hour from the base, I would go down there from time to time but didn't gamble anything.

 

[Foxfyre]

I live in Birmingham Alabama and gambling is completely illegal.

And I live in New Mexico where casino gambling is legal on Indian reservations or at the State fairgrounds only. Those are easily accessible to those of us who live in the western and northern part of the state--three casinos right here in Albuquerque or abutting Albuquerque and several others within easy driving distance-- not so accessible to those on the eastern side of the state.

Of note, in the west and north, in the the Gambler's Anonymous attendance has quadrupled since gambling was legalized in the state and you can take it to the bank that for every person in that program, there are ten others who need to be. Little difference is noted in the east where casino gambling is not so easily accessible.

I have no attraction to gambling whatsoever, even if there were 10 casinoes next to my house I wouldn't gamble, I don't like losing money. When I was stationed at Vandenberg they had the Chumash Casino about half hour from the base, I would go down there from time to time but didn't gamble anything.

I used to really enjoy going to Vegas and Laughlin and did often stop in at the local casinos once they opened up. But I never lost more than what I had budgeted for recreation and it was never a problem for me. It lost its allure though when one of our beloved family members did get hopelessly hooked, lost everythng he and his family had, and compromised his health so that he most likely died years earlier than he otherwise would have. Gambling just wasn't any fun for me after that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hell, just eliminate ALL laws and crime drops by 100%

How about just all laws that have no victims?

 

[Uncensored2008]

To Uncensored and Katz:

I will concede that moonshining isn't the major industry that it was under prohibition and I doubt the Mob fools with it anymore. But no moonshine available within 500 miles of L.A.? I really doubt that given that the craft itself continues to be handed down from generation to generation. Our descendants of Italian immigrants here in New Mexico and Kansas, for instance, almost all know the process of making "dago red wine" and almost all who make it make more than they need for their own use. Moonshine whiskey is not a lost art either. Major industry, no. Thriving cottage industry, yes.

Wait a minute, making wine isn't moonshine, nor is it illegal. You can make wine for your own consumption all you like. Same thing with Whiskey - what you CAN'T do is sell it. I have never heard of anyone selling illegal booze in California - no news stories, no personal. It just makes no sense.

I made some wine. It took a year and a half, probably consumed 200 hours of labor, for about 10 bottles worth. Wine is $10 a bottle - I make more than fifty cents an hour, there is NO profit in making homemade wine, the only reason to do it is for the fun and pride. (Plus I had to buy the Merlot grapes, yeast, sugar, etc.) No way am I going to make illegal wine, nor would anyone else.

But in a more practical matter, what highschool kid doesn't know how to lay his/her hand on beer or wine or hard liquor if he or she wants it? Probably most of it was purchased from a licensed source by somebody, but not all. Most especially in some rural areas.

It's a lot harder to get than pot, meth or cocaine.

Legalizing liquor has not reduced its use or abuse or the carnage in personal destruction or harm to others resulting from that.

Really?

Because I haven't noticed Ahmed and Pandu shooting it out in the streets over territory, they just sit in their liquor stores and sell their booze and over-priced bottled water.In fact, violence over liquor disappeared virtually the day prohibition ended. Al Capone can't exist when booze is legal.

Nor will legalizing drugs. Nor will legalizing prostitution. It would probably empty out a lot of the jails and prisons, yes.

It will stop the drivebys, beheadings, and defund the gangs. 90% or more of violent crime stops the moment drug prohibition is repealed.

How many people are we willing to sacrifice for the privilege of dictating to others what they can put in their mouths or their veins?

But that is probably the only positive we would get out of it while putting more users and abusers back on the streets. And unless it is legalized for the kids, too, the illegal dealers will have a lot of incentive to focus on them more.

Are there a lot of illegal dealers for alcohol, for kids?

I sure haven't seen any.

Because of all the positives and negatives involved, legalization of the 'vices' is a legitimate and necessary component of the national discussion and education.

But it still should be left up to the local folks what sort of society they wish to have.

I agree that it is a state and local issue.