Socialism = Capitalism plus

[impuretrash]

one way or another, automation is going to force this nation to come to grips with a new economic paradigm- whatever you want to call it. Better get busy before it's too late.

 

[TNHarley]

Liar...

Yeah, whatever.

Let me know when you think up a better argument than "Move to Denmark."

I understand what you are talking about.
I just think it appeases the lazy and punishes the working class.
Im pro responsibility and individual liberty above anything else. Oddball is the same way.
A lot of americams like us simply dont want that much govt. We are a rarity. Our country is a rarity. And we are slowly dying to go the way of everyone else.
And whats worse is, it means America dies in vain.

 

[TNHarley]

one way or another, automation is going to force this nation to come to grips with a new economic paradigm- whatever you want to call it. Better get busy before it's too late.

I have often discussed if reasons like that above meant huge govt. Like, there wouldnt be another option.
Then again, the future just doesnt make sense with totalitarianism as thats the way its always been.
Fuck, idk lol
We will just have to see.

 

[Mac1958]

one way or another, automation is going to force this nation to come to grips with a new economic paradigm- whatever you want to call it. Better get busy before it's too late.

Bingo.

Either we deal with this in a smart way now, or we deal with it in a panic later.

Gee, I wonder which one it will be?


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[Oddball]

 

[BWK]

Like how the left doesnt know what liberalism is? Like that, bill?

You are changing the subject. Another losing argument.

Some many on the right use socialism loosely. Big whoop. We get it.
You regressive leftists change words definitions more that a newborn does diapers

You stil have yet to say one thing that tells us all you are debating anything at all. You come here to say nothing. Congratulations!

Whats there to debate, you dilapidated bag of dumbfuck? I agreed many on the right perverse its meaning. Im just saying you acting like its a big deal is ignorant.

Really? I have not made Socialism and Capitalism working together a big deal ever. The Right is doing that.

 

[Andylusion]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

None of those countries are socialist. They are all capitalist. So first off he's starting his false argument from lie. In fact, some of those places are higher on the economic freedom index than the US. They are not socialist at all. Not even close.

He says socialism as a supplement to capitalism is good. Funny, because the French yellow jack protests seem to indicate otherwise. Why isn't it so good there? Maybe because taxes are so high to fund all their socialism, that when the government tried to rise taxes again to fund even more socialism, the entire country flew apart.

And the same is true of all those other countries as well. All of those countries are having problems funding their pensions, free education, and health care.

Leave it up to this guy to come up with the absolute dumbest argument possible... happiness ratings. What does happiness have to do with socialism, or capitalism? Nothing.

You know what makes people happy? Having a family that is together. When momma leaves, because she wants welfare benefits, instead of an intact family, people are not happy.
You know what makes people happy? Having the dignity and self respect to accomplish something with your life. When people live as wards of the state, collecting food stamps and welfare, and medicaid, they are not happy.

Happiness as an argument is garbage. A perfect example is how unhappy women are about the pay gap. Then you read the research and find women are paid more than men. Google did that internal study, and found men were paid less on average, than their women employees. But that doesn't stop women from being unhappy about the mythical pay gap.

I don't meet people sweating about healthcare or student loans. Of course I'm around people smart enough to borrow as little as possible, and only get degrees in things that make them money. If you get a degree in Music Theory, and spend $100K doing it, that makes you a moron. Stop doing that.

They do not all have strong Unions, and few have welfare. That's a myth. It's amazing how many people mindlessly follow edicts about places they have never lived.

One thing most of those happy countries do have in common... they are all culturally homogeneous. Some even still have taxes paying for the state churches of those countries.

And yes, that is part of why they are happy people. Having a culture that is common across the populace, results in happiness.

I love how he talks about how you don't have to worry about end up under a bridge, with socialism.

I'm sorry.... did we miss the memo about how California, the the largest socialist safety net in the union, is also the homeless capital of the world right now? Funny how the place with the most 'social safety net' so people don't end up under the bridge, have the most people under the bridge.

Look at all those people who don't have to worry, thanks to that socialist safety net!

$12,000 for a baby, and in Finland it's $60?

Are you people dumb as crap, or what? $12,000 for a Baby? My sister had SIX kids, and she doesn't work. Only her husband does. You think she spent $72,000 when he earns less than the Median wage? And by the way, she seems happy, in their new house. I wager that's how they ended up with 6 kids.

And having a baby is $60 in Finland? Are you people really this incompetent? A person making $50,000 a year in the US, in Finland, would be subject to a 57% tax. That means they are losing $28,000 a year. That's every year, not just the year you had a baby.

So basically everything he said was crap, from start to finish, just like all left-wingers.

 

[daveman]

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including having more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
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Fudging and defiling the language is what authoritarians and their toadies do.

The mental midgets on the right are the ones that fucked up the language by calling social safety nets socialism.

How much of what other people earn is your fair share?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

We understand all to well what socialism is and thats your problem....,not ours
Democratic socialist think the roads ,army,sewer pipes, and post office is socialism .
I would add the right wingers arent against social safety nets within reason but it doesn't matter because most of the lefttrads who insist socialism is the way are just useful idiots.


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[danielpalos]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

The left should learn how to merely use Capitalism, for all of its capital worth in modern times.

 

[impuretrash]

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including having more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
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Fudging and defiling the language is what authoritarians and their toadies do.

The mental midgets on the right are the ones that fucked up the language by calling social safety nets socialism.

How much of what other people earn is your fair share?

How much of what other people earn should be spent on bombs?

 

[Ambivalent1]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

You get your Beliefs from a comedian. Smart.

 

[daveman]

The goal of socialism is communism.

Vladimir Lenin

 

[daveman]

He specifically says "socialist-friendly". The term has clearly changed. It now means including having more "socialist" elements within the capitalist structure.

But boy, that's just too dang complicated.
.

Fudging and defiling the language is what authoritarians and their toadies do.

The mental midgets on the right are the ones that fucked up the language by calling social safety nets socialism.

How much of what other people earn is your fair share?

How much of what other people earn should be spent on bombs?

I bet you thought you had a point.

Recap: In GDP terms, we spend about a third on the military today compared to what we spent in the late 1950s. We spend almost exactly the same on interest on the debt. We spend 20 percent less on energy, transportation, the environment, and natural resources. And we spend almost four times as much on welfare. Again, that is in GDP terms, and our economy is a heck of a lot bigger than it was in 1957. As a share of all federal spending, welfare has gone from 23 percent of spending to 73 percent of federal spending. In constant-dollar terms, we spend 17.5 times as much. In nominal-dollar terms, we spend 150 times as much.​

 

[Confounding]

I understand what you are talking about.
I just think it appeases the lazy and punishes the working class.
Im pro responsibility and individual liberty above anything else. Oddball is the same way.
A lot of americams like us simply dont want that much govt. We are a rarity. Our country is a rarity. And we are slowly dying to go the way of everyone else.
And whats worse is, it means America dies in vain.

Focusing on improving America from the bottom up is how we will be able to compete with China for the future. Our way of life will be swallowed by theirs. Scandinavian countries still have a strong middle class and working hard is rewarded. They just don't have a lot of billionaires. I'm alright with that.

 

[Tehon]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

If you want to know what socialism is, turn off the smug comedian and read Karl Marx. Then you will see how wrong you both are.

 

[daveman]

I understand what you are talking about.
I just think it appeases the lazy and punishes the working class.
Im pro responsibility and individual liberty above anything else. Oddball is the same way.
A lot of americams like us simply dont want that much govt. We are a rarity. Our country is a rarity. And we are slowly dying to go the way of everyone else.
And whats worse is, it means America dies in vain.

Focusing on improving America from the bottom up is how we will be able to compete with China for the future. Our way of life will be swallowed by theirs. Scandinavian countries still have a strong middle class and working hard is rewarded. They just don't have a lot of billionaires. I'm alright with that.

Socialism doesn't reward hard work. It punishes it, actually.

Socialism rewards breathing. That's all.

 

[Confounding]

I understand what you are talking about.
I just think it appeases the lazy and punishes the working class.
Im pro responsibility and individual liberty above anything else. Oddball is the same way.
A lot of americams like us simply dont want that much govt. We are a rarity. Our country is a rarity. And we are slowly dying to go the way of everyone else.
And whats worse is, it means America dies in vain.

Focusing on improving America from the bottom up is how we will be able to compete with China for the future. Our way of life will be swallowed by theirs. Scandinavian countries still have a strong middle class and working hard is rewarded. They just don't have a lot of billionaires. I'm alright with that.

Socialism doesn't reward hard work. It punishes it, actually.

Socialism rewards breathing. That's all.

I'm not talking about socialism.

 

[daveman]

Instead of going on a rant trying to get Republicans to understand what Socialism actually is, and that without it, there is no Capitalism, I wonder if Republicans will ever understand the easy explanation that Bill Maher points out here? That in fact, for most of us, to be happy and to have piece of mind financially, it is in fact Socialism that delivers real Capitalism to most Americans? Let's see how many of them get it? And then, let's see how many of them can deliver an intelligent argument against it?

If you want to know what socialism is turn off the smug comedian and read Karl Marx. Then you will see how wrong you both are.

How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

-- Ronald Reagan

 

[daveman]

I understand what you are talking about.
I just think it appeases the lazy and punishes the working class.
Im pro responsibility and individual liberty above anything else. Oddball is the same way.
A lot of americams like us simply dont want that much govt. We are a rarity. Our country is a rarity. And we are slowly dying to go the way of everyone else.
And whats worse is, it means America dies in vain.

Focusing on improving America from the bottom up is how we will be able to compete with China for the future. Our way of life will be swallowed by theirs. Scandinavian countries still have a strong middle class and working hard is rewarded. They just don't have a lot of billionaires. I'm alright with that.

Socialism doesn't reward hard work. It punishes it, actually.

Socialism rewards breathing. That's all.

I'm not talking about socialism.

Uh huh. Going straight to Communism, huh?

Are you going to put the billionaires in mass graves after you steal everything from them?