Some inconvenient facts for EV cheerleaders!!

[Dagosa]

The Angel of Death is a bleeding heart liberal.

Angel of stupidity is an ignorant conservative.

 

[The Duke]

Really ? Is 235/miles long enough ? China routinely runs trains over 1000 miles while remaking plugged into the grid.
You never road on a subway ? You know now many miles of electrified tracks there are in subways, Amtrak and other train systems ? Really ?

That's a train on a track, moron. It goes in 1 line only.

 

[Dagosa]

Electric motors power diesel submarines, but US nuclear subs are propelled by steam driven turbines via reduction gears. The US built one turbine electric sub (the Hyman G Rickover) and one turbine direct (the Narwhal) but neither system worked well and were abandoned.

Really ?
The Columbia class is to be equipped with an electric-drive propulsion train, as opposed to the mechanical-drive propulsion train……

The move is to eventually replace mechanical with electric drive units because they are more stealthy.

 

[Blues Man]

Is that why Elon is making so many billions making electric cars to sell?

Tesla's dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn't come from selling cars

Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 -- but not because of sales to its customers.

www.cnn.com

 

[Dagosa]

That's a train on a track, moron. It goes in 1 line only.

So you admit you are wrong and that distance is not a factor. Just that it has to go in one direction. Moving the line again !

 

[Dagosa]

Tesla's dirty little secret: Its net profit doesn't come from selling cars

Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 -- but not because of sales to its customers.

www.cnn.com

It’s not a secret that EVs need to cost more then petro cars to make them profitable. Petro powered cars make very little profit as new cars for the auto retailer. They make their money in maintenance, finance charges and warrantee sales.
Electric cars need so little maintenance, the profit margin on sales needs to be higher. Some retailers refuse to stock many electric cars on their lots but insist you buy them factory or at least regional distributor direct.

 

[Dagosa]

One cannot stay plugged into the electric grid while commuting distances, jeeneyous.

This is the post that’s bogus. That you can only travel in one direction is pretty much a red herring. You can change directions at every stop on an electric train like you can change direction at exits driving petro powered cars on a limited access highway interstate.
Amtrak is a combination of E trains and hybrid trains for 23,000 miles of track.
Major Power lines are all over the place……..
There is a potential charging station at every pole for cars just like there is a potential E train travel near any major power source and transmission line.

 

[Crick]

Really ?
The Columbia class is to be equipped with an electric-drive propulsion train, as opposed to the mechanical-drive propulsion train……

The move is to eventually replace mechanical with electric drive units because they are more stealthy.

Yes. The reduction gears and the Main Coolant pumps are the largest noise sources on a classic nuke boat.

 

[skookerasbil]

The Angel of Death is a bleeding heart liberal.

But not in a SHFT scenario.....holy fuck......folks on the left gonna lose all their stuff s0n. Imminent btw...division just needs to widen a bit more.

Whiffle ball bats are gay.

 

[ding]

So you admit you are wrong and that distance is not a factor. Just that it has to go in one direction. Moving the line again !

Trains use diesel prime movers to power their electric motors, dummy.

 

[sparky]

electricity is the most $$$ fuel

creating machines that use it efficiently does not change this

~S~

 

[Dagosa]

Yes. The reduction gears and the Main Coolant pumps are the largest noise sources on a classic nuke boat.

Yup.....
The military is moving to electrifying their equipment as they are in need of replacement in as many areas as practical. Even firearms at some point will be and are for performance electrified. They are already enhanced by electrification.
We’d be hard pressed to even name one fossil fuel vehicle that isn’t dependent upon electrification....just to run properly. Water pumps, braking etc, and not just drive units are all being electrified in all vehicles everywhere, the military or not. Hybrids Are electric cars. And really, you could make a case that all vehicles are hybrids. They can’t even move without electrification. Electric motors for propulsion is just a final step.

 

[Dagosa]

electricity is the most $$$ fuel

Ha ha
Really ?
I guess you’ve never driven a hybrid. Nearly EVERY time you increase the dependency on electricity you make a vehicular cheaper to run and maintain.

ELECTRICITY IF FREE. Harnessing it costs money but so doesn’t harnessing fossil fuels. Third world nations have inexhaustible supplies of electricity through renewables. . You can’t say every nation had inexhaustible supply of Petroleum. So, do we stupidly follow the Petro road to extinction or move towards free electricity to power more and more of our lives ? Idiots want more whale oil too.

 

[Dagosa]

Whiffle ball bats are gay.

But EVs are manly
What’s more manly then trains, and nuclear powered vessels. They are all powered by electricity. Even your most manly fossil fuel car can’t get out of its own way without being electrified.
I know silent electrons that promote controlled magnetism is scary and powerful and almost “ godlike”.
So the uneducated will just have to go along for the ride.

 

[sparky]

ELECTRICITY IF FREE

electricity is and has never been free

the facts are , IF the usa went 1/4 EV, we'd need somewhere in the neighborhood of an extra 4 trillion gigawatts

producing it, along with the mining , and disposal of lithium amount to a significant amount of pollution rivalling internal combustion

~S~

 

[Crick]

electricity is and has never been free

the facts are , IF the usa went 1/4 EV, we'd need somewhere in the neighborhood of an extra 4 trillion gigawatts

producing it, along with the mining , and disposal of lithium amount to a significant amount of pollution rivalling internal combustion

~S~

Pray tell, how does the mining and disposal/recycling of lithium produce GHGs on the order of that produced by the 282 million ice powered vehicles in the US alone last year. Peak ICE usage in the US will not arrive till 2032 and potentially as late as 2035.

Internal Combustion Engines: Market Dominance

ICE vehicles in the US will continue to grow in number, reaching their peak around 2035, despite increasing EV sales.

www.counterman.com

 

[ding]

Pray tell, how does the mining and disposal/recycling of lithium produce GHGs on the order of that produced by the 282 million ice powered vehicles in the US alone last year. Peak ICE usage in the US will not arrive till 2032 and potentially as late as 2035.

Internal Combustion Engines: Market Dominance

ICE vehicles in the US will continue to grow in number, reaching their peak around 2035, despite increasing EV sales.

www.counterman.com

Because CO2 isn’t pollution.

 

[sparky]

Pray tell, how does the mining and disposal/recycling of lithium produce GHGs on the order of that produced by the 282 million ice powered vehicles in the US alone last year. Peak ICE usage in the US will not arrive till 2032 and potentially as late as 2035.

Internal Combustion Engines: Market Dominance

ICE vehicles in the US will continue to grow in number, reaching their peak around 2035, despite increasing EV sales.

www.counterman.com

How much pollution is caused by mining lithium?


Particularly in hard rock mining, for every tonne of mined lithium, 15 tonnes of CO2 are emitted into the air.


Why don't we mine lithium in the US?


Despite dozens of potential lithium mines in the United States and in Canada, most projects are in various stages of development and many are years away from production, particularly with environmental lawsuits delaying development due to multiple entry points for litigation in U.S. regulatory law.Sep 21, 2022

~S~

 

[Crick]

How much pollution is caused by mining lithium?

Particularly in hard rock mining, for every tonne of mined lithium, 15 tonnes of CO2 are emitted into the air.

What is the source of this information?

Why don't we mine lithium in the US?

Despite dozens of potential lithium mines in the United States and in Canada, most projects are in various stages of development and many are years away from production, particularly with environmental lawsuits delaying development due to multiple entry points for litigation in U.S. regulatory law.Sep 21, 2022

~S~

A typical EV battery uses 10 kg (22 lbs) of lithium.

Are we in danger of running out of lithium for rechargeable batteries?

As electric vehicles take over from the gasoline engine, this will put significant pressure on the world's lithium supplies.

www.zdnet.com

That ton of mined lithium can produce batteries for 90 EV batteries.

A typical American car produces 4.6 metric tons per year

Greenhouse Gas Emissions from a Typical Passenger Vehicle | US EPA

This page answers questions about GHG emissions from passenger vehicles and how these emissions are measured and calculated.

www.epa.gov

90 x 4.6 = 414 tons of CO2 not produced, PER YEAR by that ton of lithium

Get the point?

 

[ding]

What is the source of this information?

A typical EV battery uses 10 kg (22 lbs) of lithium.

Are we in danger of running out of lithium for rechargeable batteries?

As electric vehicles take over from the gasoline engine, this will put significant pressure on the world's lithium supplies.

www.zdnet.com

That ton of mined lithium can produce batteries for 90 EV batteries.

A typical American car produces 4.6 metric tons per year

Greenhouse Gas Emissions from a Typical Passenger Vehicle | US EPA

This page answers questions about GHG emissions from passenger vehicles and how these emissions are measured and calculated.

www.epa.gov

90 x 4.6 = 414 tons of CO2 not produced, PER YEAR by that ton of lithium

Get the point?

Is the point that you don’t know how to calculate how much material needs to be mined to produce lithium? Yes. I got that point.