South Dakota Lawmaker Says Businesses Should Be Allowed To Ban Colored People

[OldLady]

You can go online and have a cake made and delivered and even have catering services at your home. This is not the 1950s anymore!

LOL. Where do you live?

 

[ChrisL]

I don't understand why the distinction.

Because the government is public sector. The private sector is ran by individuals and owned by individuals.

I see. Yet if discrimination is alright with you for individuals, I don't see why it wouldn't also be alright with you for the government, which makes the laws.

The lawmaker in the OP's article is an individual. Yet he is in government. So is he within his rights to offer a racist opinion on behalf of his individual constituents?

What is racist about freedom?

No country anywhere has absolute freedom. This country is actually founded on a self-evident truth that all men are created equal. It took awhile to get all citizens into the mix, but we have. No American citizen should be discriminated against because of race. American citizens give up the "freedom" to discriminate when they enter the public market place. It's really that simple. You like to say freedom isn't free. I would add that your freedom ends at my nose. Racism violates my space and unfairly limits my options, whether it is to sit down and eat the blue plate special at lunchtime or get that good paying job or that nice apartment. Read some of the posts around you and guess if that would happen to folks if there were no discrimination laws. As G-5000 pointed out, if people were willing to go along with it back in '64, there wouldn't need to be laws about it. Guess what? The laws were needed and apparently still are.

I guess the SC saw it as a matter of the Christian's man's beliefs were to be considered, given what he does for a living and his personal involvement in creating cakes for events.

 

[Fang]

Most people I know that are racist are Democrats. In this case, obviously this lawmaker is wrong, whoever he is.

 

[Dana7360]

The thing is, there was a time not so long ago when businesses openly advertised WHITES ONLY, and it not only did them no harm, they actually thrived.

We do not want to go backwards.

I think the best way to marginalize these cockroaches is to shine a light on them. It ain't pretty, it ain't easy, but it's better than letting them fester. It's partially what gave us TRUMP.
.

What gave us Trump should inform you that we could easily return to the days of Whites Only lunch counters, and that such businesses would thrive again.

Most businesses care about only their bottom line and would not want such bad publicity anyways. Very few businesses (and no large businesses with shareholders) are going to be discriminating against anyone. That would be bad for business in today's day and age.

We have had a zillion topics about bakeries and wedding planners who won't serve gays. Those businesses have had money pouring in to help support their cause.

Their bigotry has not been bad for their businesses at all. They are held up as heroes on Fox News and all the usual pseudocon propagandists.

Anyone who doubts how easily we could revert back to the Whites Only days is willfully blind.

If you were to live in reality ville, you would be able to see that these instances are few and far between, but the media likes to hype them up to upset people like you. MOST business owners are interested in that their customers are paying and buying something, not what their color, sex or sexual preferences.

Most isn't all.

I've been to places in our nation that have only one store. The one and only gas station is part of that store. There isn't even a post office.

I'm just driving through on my way to some place. I need gas. There's no other store or gas station for hundreds of miles of desert.

But oh no. Bummer. Because not all business but most, will sell to everyone I've had the very bad luck to need gas in a place that refuses to sell it to me because I'm a woman.

What am I supposed to do? Drive my car until I run out of gas in the middle of no where desert Nevada and home that someone will drive by with water and gas to help me? How many nights out in that desert should I have to endure because the owner of that one and only place to get gas refuses to sell it to me.

Am I supposed to plan my travels around who will serve me or where I want to go?

Since so many utilities have been privatized now, what is a person supposed to do if a private utility refuses to sell to them and discriminate them?

Are people supposed to live where they can actually have the services and goods to live? Are people supposed to check out everywhere to find out if they can have the same services and life others have?

Or should people be free to be able to live where they choose, where there's good jobs, good schools and a good way of life?

You don't realize that just because MOST businesses won't discriminate that it leaves some who do and those who do have a big impact on people. Excusing those who do by saying most won't causes a lot of trouble for our nation.

How would you feel if someone told you they won't sell you electricity because you're a woman? Or won't sell you gas because you're a woman? Or won't hire you because you're a woman? Or won't sell you food and water because you're a woman?

 

[Mac1958]

You know who the racists are here at USMB. What have you done to help them evolve?

Oh, I've long since given up trying to have normal, honest, interesting conversations with intolerant wingers on internet message boards. It's a waste of time, it's not real life.

Ironically, you were instrumental in teaching me that one.
.

 

[TNHarley]

I don't understand why the distinction.

Because the government is public sector. The private sector is ran by individuals and owned by individuals.

I see. Yet if discrimination is alright with you for individuals, I don't see why it wouldn't also be alright with you for the government, which makes the laws.

The lawmaker in the OP's article is an individual. Yet he is in government. So is he within his rights to offer a racist opinion on behalf of his individual constituents?

What is racist about freedom?

No country anywhere has absolute freedom. This country is actually founded on a self-evident truth that all men are created equal. It took awhile to get all citizens into the mix, but we have. No American citizen should be discriminated against because of race. American citizens give up the "freedom" to discriminate when they enter the public market place. It's really that simple. You like to say freedom isn't free. I would add that your freedom ends at my nose. Racism violates my space and unfairly limits my options, whether it is to sit down and eat the blue plate special at lunchtime or get that good paying job or that nice apartment. Read some of the posts around you and guess if that would happen to folks if there were no discrimination laws. As G-5000 pointed out, if people were willing to go along with it back in '64, there wouldn't need to be laws about it. Guess what? The laws were needed and apparently still are.

No they dont, OL. Thats some bullshit statist rhetoric. People give up their freedoms when they enter the public SECTOR. NOT the market.
Of COURSE my freedom ends at your nose. As does yours.THATS what you need to understand. My property is not your freedom. It is a symbol of my freedom.
Racism is bad, but its ok to let you go hungry over political stances right? Or for you wearing a yellow shirt? Or for simply being against the anti-racists? All thats ok but not my skin color! Or my personal beliefs on religion! Or where i come from!
What utter fucking bullshit.

 

[ChrisL]

You can go online and have a cake made and delivered and even have catering services at your home. This is not the 1950s anymore!

LOL. Where do you live?

What does that have to do with anything? I live in America where we have easy internet access and access to lots of different businesses. There are no shortages of businesses all offering the same products!

 

[IsaacNewton]

Yeah conservatives are really feeling their racism now aren't they? They see a real opportunity to put their ideas of oppressing all non-white non-straight minorities across the board. It's ok, Hitler had his heyday too. The only question is how much damage will need to be fixed afterwards.

The law is not allowing them to have their heads, yet. There is no Hitler here. Just a tubby old fart who prefers very wealthy white folks. The jackals won't win.

No one said Hitler is here. There is a propensity of people, especially on the internet these days, to ascribe any mention of Adolph Hitler as saying he has arrived again and the end is upon us. When instead it is merely one of many bells being rung, "look here, we've seen similar before and that road is one which cannot be traveled again, it is so horrendous, and even going down that road a little leaves open the possibility that the road will at some point again be open and the few travelers going that way be joined by followers." 'Godwin's Law' is fake. There is no law, it is a flippant response that people in chat rooms and discussion boards use to describe anyone that goes immediately to a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis when it isn't warranted, and in many cases it isn't. But there is no such thing as a godwin's law, it's fake. Yet people online use the knowledge of this fake 'law' to then discredit ANY mention of Hitler, what he did and stood for, as well as the Nazis, even when such a comparison IS warranted. It has been known by another name for much longer, The Boy Who Cried Wolf. A story everyone knows. After having cried "Wolf!" a number of times and alarmed the village into frantic action Peter finally found himself guarding the sheep when a wolf did appear. He cried out again "Wolf!", but the people ignored him and their sheep were slaughtered.

You have to fine tune your filter to weed out the fake, but never ignore the signs of the real.

"The jackal's won't win." They never do, until they do. These are not normal times, recognize that.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling! You are the same as any religious person except on the opposite end of the spectrum.

You are obtuse to the exponential. My posts aren't meant for you, when I have a picture of a kitty I'll let you know.

At this point in your posting career, you might as well stick to posting kitties.

For you always.

 

[TNHarley]

I think the best way to marginalize these cockroaches is to shine a light on them. It ain't pretty, it ain't easy, but it's better than letting them fester. It's partially what gave us TRUMP.
.

What gave us Trump should inform you that we could easily return to the days of Whites Only lunch counters, and that such businesses would thrive again.

Most businesses care about only their bottom line and would not want such bad publicity anyways. Very few businesses (and no large businesses with shareholders) are going to be discriminating against anyone. That would be bad for business in today's day and age.

We have had a zillion topics about bakeries and wedding planners who won't serve gays. Those businesses have had money pouring in to help support their cause.

Their bigotry has not been bad for their businesses at all. They are held up as heroes on Fox News and all the usual pseudocon propagandists.

Anyone who doubts how easily we could revert back to the Whites Only days is willfully blind.

If you were to live in reality ville, you would be able to see that these instances are few and far between, but the media likes to hype them up to upset people like you. MOST business owners are interested in that their customers are paying and buying something, not what their color, sex or sexual preferences.

Most isn't all.

I've been to places in our nation that have only one store. The one and only gas station is part of that store. There isn't even a post office.

I'm just driving through on my way to some place. I need gas. There's no other store or gas station for hundreds of miles of desert.

But oh no. Bummer. Because not all business but most, will sell to everyone I've had the very bad luck to need gas in a place that refuses to sell it to me because I'm a woman.

What am I supposed to do? Drive my car until I run out of gas in the middle of no where desert Nevada and home that someone will drive by with water and gas to help me? How many nights out in that desert should I have to endure because the owner of that one and only place to get gas refuses to sell it to me.

Am I supposed to plan my travels around who will serve me or where I want to go?

Since so many utilities have been privatized now, what is a person supposed to do if a private utility refuses to sell to them and discriminate them?

Are people supposed to live where they can actually have the services and goods to live? Are people supposed to check out everywhere to find out if they can have the same services and life others have?

Or should people be free to be able to live where they choose, where there's good jobs, good schools and a good way of life?

You don't realize that just because MOST businesses won't discriminate that it leaves some who do and those who do have a big impact on people. Excusing those who do by saying most won't causes a lot of trouble for our nation.

How would you feel if someone told you they won't sell you electricity because you're a woman? Or won't sell you gas because you're a woman? Or won't hire you because you're a woman? Or won't sell you food and water because you're a woman?

That would make more sense if EVERYONE and EVERYTHING was considered. Instead, no, just some people and some things.
What disingenuous bullshit.

 

[ChrisL]

I think the best way to marginalize these cockroaches is to shine a light on them. It ain't pretty, it ain't easy, but it's better than letting them fester. It's partially what gave us TRUMP.
.

What gave us Trump should inform you that we could easily return to the days of Whites Only lunch counters, and that such businesses would thrive again.

Most businesses care about only their bottom line and would not want such bad publicity anyways. Very few businesses (and no large businesses with shareholders) are going to be discriminating against anyone. That would be bad for business in today's day and age.

We have had a zillion topics about bakeries and wedding planners who won't serve gays. Those businesses have had money pouring in to help support their cause.

Their bigotry has not been bad for their businesses at all. They are held up as heroes on Fox News and all the usual pseudocon propagandists.

Anyone who doubts how easily we could revert back to the Whites Only days is willfully blind.

If you were to live in reality ville, you would be able to see that these instances are few and far between, but the media likes to hype them up to upset people like you. MOST business owners are interested in that their customers are paying and buying something, not what their color, sex or sexual preferences.

Most isn't all.

I've been to places in our nation that have only one store. The one and only gas station is part of that store. There isn't even a post office.

I'm just driving through on my way to some place. I need gas. There's no other store or gas station for hundreds of miles of desert.

But oh no. Bummer. Because not all business but most, will sell to everyone I've had the very bad luck to need gas in a place that refuses to sell it to me because I'm a woman.

What am I supposed to do? Drive my car until I run out of gas in the middle of no where desert Nevada and home that someone will drive by with water and gas to help me? How many nights out in that desert should I have to endure because the owner of that one and only place to get gas refuses to sell it to me.

Am I supposed to plan my travels around who will serve me or where I want to go?

Since so many utilities have been privatized now, what is a person supposed to do if a private utility refuses to sell to them and discriminate them?

Are people supposed to live where they can actually have the services and goods to live? Are people supposed to check out everywhere to find out if they can have the same services and life others have?

Or should people be free to be able to live where they choose, where there's good jobs, good schools and a good way of life?

You don't realize that just because MOST businesses won't discriminate that it leaves some who do and those who do have a big impact on people. Excusing those who do by saying most won't causes a lot of trouble for our nation.

How would you feel if someone told you they won't sell you electricity because you're a woman? Or won't sell you gas because you're a woman? Or won't hire you because you're a woman? Or won't sell you food and water because you're a woman?

People are free to live how they want and to live in any state they want. You are worried about maybe less than 0.1% of all businesses.

 

[ChrisL]

order a wedding cake online - Yahoo Search Results

 

[Dana7360]

The thing is, there was a time not so long ago when businesses openly advertised WHITES ONLY, and it not only did them no harm, they actually thrived.

We do not want to go backwards.

I think the best way to marginalize these cockroaches is to shine a light on them. It ain't pretty, it ain't easy, but it's better than letting them fester. It's partially what gave us TRUMP.
.

What gave us Trump should inform you that we could easily return to the days of Whites Only lunch counters, and that such businesses would thrive again.

Most businesses care about only their bottom line and would not want such bad publicity anyways. Very few businesses (and no large businesses with shareholders) are going to be discriminating against anyone. That would be bad for business in today's day and age.

That doesn't excuse or negate the fact that a small amount of businesses would if they could.

Those are more likely to be in rural areas where there's no other business for the discriminated person to go to.

What are they supposed to do?

This is the year 2018. To say they wouldn't have any other place to shop at even in a rural area is pretty naive.

I guess you've never been to parts of Nevada, Arizona, California, Washington, Utah, Montana, Oregon and many other places in this nation.

My aunt lived in tiny town In Michigan that is just a lake with houses around it. One store which also had the gas station and a post office. That's it.

With nothing else for miles.

I've been to place on the island of Maui that is absolutely nothing for miles on end with only one place to get food and water along the way. If they're closed, you're out of luck. If you don't have gas, you're out of luck.

I guess you don't do much traveling around our nation do you?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

So a sitting South Dakota lawmaker recently voiced his belief that businesses should be able to discriminate against people of color. Obviously this guy saw the recent Supreme Court ruling as a green light to go full racist -- and more and more openly racist/bigoted people are feeling more embolden to run for office (mainly as Republicans).

so my question is -- How many people here wish the Civil Rights bill was never passed?

Because essentially, to try to argue that businesses should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race is saying you are against the Civil Rights Act.

From the article:
In an interview with the Leader, Clark said he believed that business owners should be able to turn away certain customers if they would otherwise violate their religious beliefs.

"If it’s truly his strongly based belief, he should be able to turn them away," Clark told the Leader. "People shouldn’t be able to use their minority status to bully a business."


It's stunning to me that an elected state lawmaker- no matter what the state - can be so ignorant as to not know what the Civil Rights Act is and does.

I think I read that he took this back but he can't un-say it.

A lot of trumpanzees would be in favor of this. They post right here on this board. Dummies actually say they want to "make America white again" because they actually do not know that America has never been white.

The US would be a lot better off if we could get rid of this scum. Including trump.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

We drive 90 miles to the nearest bakery if we don't know someone who makes them privately. We're used to it.

What if instead of a bakery -- its a doctor?

The people I see who are usually disinterested about the idea of businesses discriminating against people are usually people who don't belong to those historically oppressed demographics -- so its easy for those people to be dismissive about it...

Ironically, those are the same people clutching their pearls and crying they are being persecuted when Starbucks put Happy Holidays on their cups.

Privilege usually does that to a person

I don't believe that a hospital should be able to discriminate and refuse to see a patient based on that. That is not the same as a wedding cake that you can order online.

Hek, many hospitals are owned/controlled by the govt.
At least around here. They buy all of them up. Which sucks.

Or maybe discriminating against people on the basis of race should not be allowed ...period...

Why do some keep twisting themselves into pretzels to justify someone being treated as a second class citizen -- that battle has been fought, blood has been shed -- and the people who were on the side of discrimination lost...period.

If there are no PA laws, then ANYONE could be treated as a second class citizen. Why do you support institutional discrimination against so many people?
How bigoted of you.

..and like I said -- the people who are not the ones historically discriminated against are usually the ones who feel laws preventing discrimination against EVERYONE is so passe.

 

[TNHarley]

What if instead of a bakery -- its a doctor?

The people I see who are usually disinterested about the idea of businesses discriminating against people are usually people who don't belong to those historically oppressed demographics -- so its easy for those people to be dismissive about it...

Ironically, those are the same people clutching their pearls and crying they are being persecuted when Starbucks put Happy Holidays on their cups.

Privilege usually does that to a person

I don't believe that a hospital should be able to discriminate and refuse to see a patient based on that. That is not the same as a wedding cake that you can order online.

Hek, many hospitals are owned/controlled by the govt.
At least around here. They buy all of them up. Which sucks.

Or maybe discriminating against people on the basis of race should not be allowed ...period...

Why do some keep twisting themselves into pretzels to justify someone being treated as a second class citizen -- that battle has been fought, blood has been shed -- and the people who were on the side of discrimination lost...period.

If there are no PA laws, then ANYONE could be treated as a second class citizen. Why do you support institutional discrimination against so many people?
How bigoted of you.

..and like I said -- the people who are not the ones historically discriminated against are usually the ones who feel laws preventing discrimination against EVERYONE is so passe.

Lol Really? Religions were oppressed in this country?

 

[OldLady]

Because the government is public sector. The private sector is ran by individuals and owned by individuals.

I see. Yet if discrimination is alright with you for individuals, I don't see why it wouldn't also be alright with you for the government, which makes the laws.

The lawmaker in the OP's article is an individual. Yet he is in government. So is he within his rights to offer a racist opinion on behalf of his individual constituents?

What is racist about freedom?

No country anywhere has absolute freedom. This country is actually founded on a self-evident truth that all men are created equal. It took awhile to get all citizens into the mix, but we have. No American citizen should be discriminated against because of race. American citizens give up the "freedom" to discriminate when they enter the public market place. It's really that simple. You like to say freedom isn't free. I would add that your freedom ends at my nose. Racism violates my space and unfairly limits my options, whether it is to sit down and eat the blue plate special at lunchtime or get that good paying job or that nice apartment. Read some of the posts around you and guess if that would happen to folks if there were no discrimination laws. As G-5000 pointed out, if people were willing to go along with it back in '64, there wouldn't need to be laws about it. Guess what? The laws were needed and apparently still are.

I guess the SC saw it as a matter of the Christian's man's beliefs were to be considered, given what he does for a living and his personal involvement in creating cakes for events.

We should probably get back to the OP's topic, but I knew the lack of a "loss" for the baker yesterday was going to open the floodgates.

 

[TNHarley]

What if instead of a bakery -- its a doctor?

The people I see who are usually disinterested about the idea of businesses discriminating against people are usually people who don't belong to those historically oppressed demographics -- so its easy for those people to be dismissive about it...

Ironically, those are the same people clutching their pearls and crying they are being persecuted when Starbucks put Happy Holidays on their cups.

Privilege usually does that to a person

I don't believe that a hospital should be able to discriminate and refuse to see a patient based on that. That is not the same as a wedding cake that you can order online.

Hek, many hospitals are owned/controlled by the govt.
At least around here. They buy all of them up. Which sucks.

Or maybe discriminating against people on the basis of race should not be allowed ...period...

Why do some keep twisting themselves into pretzels to justify someone being treated as a second class citizen -- that battle has been fought, blood has been shed -- and the people who were on the side of discrimination lost...period.

If there are no PA laws, then ANYONE could be treated as a second class citizen. Why do you support institutional discrimination against so many people?
How bigoted of you.

..and like I said -- the people who are not the ones historically discriminated against are usually the ones who feel laws preventing discrimination against EVERYONE is so passe.

Plus, i really just dont care about the past. That has nothing to do with our freedom, now.
Why should i lose rights because some dudes i dont even know were assholes? What fucking sense does that make?
Plus, the fed gov has no constitutional authority to create PA laws. And i never condone giving a central govt more power.

 

[ChrisL]

So a sitting South Dakota lawmaker recently voiced his belief that businesses should be able to discriminate against people of color. Obviously this guy saw the recent Supreme Court ruling as a green light to go full racist -- and more and more openly racist/bigoted people are feeling more embolden to run for office (mainly as Republicans).

so my question is -- How many people here wish the Civil Rights bill was never passed?

Because essentially, to try to argue that businesses should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race is saying you are against the Civil Rights Act.

From the article:
In an interview with the Leader, Clark said he believed that business owners should be able to turn away certain customers if they would otherwise violate their religious beliefs.

"If it’s truly his strongly based belief, he should be able to turn them away," Clark told the Leader. "People shouldn’t be able to use their minority status to bully a business."


It's stunning to me that an elected state lawmaker- no matter what the state - can be so ignorant as to not know what the Civil Rights Act is and does.

I think I read that he took this back but he can't un-say it.

A lot of trumpanzees would be in favor of this. They post right here on this board. Dummies actually say they want to "make America white again" because they actually do not know that America has never been white.

The US would be a lot better off if we could get rid of this scum. Including trump.

So what would you do to the people who have belief systems that you don't agree with? What would you do to Trump? They are American citizens, not illegals.

 

[TNHarley]

So a sitting South Dakota lawmaker recently voiced his belief that businesses should be able to discriminate against people of color. Obviously this guy saw the recent Supreme Court ruling as a green light to go full racist -- and more and more openly racist/bigoted people are feeling more embolden to run for office (mainly as Republicans).

so my question is -- How many people here wish the Civil Rights bill was never passed?

Because essentially, to try to argue that businesses should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race is saying you are against the Civil Rights Act.

From the article:
In an interview with the Leader, Clark said he believed that business owners should be able to turn away certain customers if they would otherwise violate their religious beliefs.

"If it’s truly his strongly based belief, he should be able to turn them away," Clark told the Leader. "People shouldn’t be able to use their minority status to bully a business."


It's stunning to me that an elected state lawmaker- no matter what the state - can be so ignorant as to not know what the Civil Rights Act is and does.

I think I read that he took this back but he can't un-say it.

A lot of trumpanzees would be in favor of this. They post right here on this board. Dummies actually say they want to "make America white again" because they actually do not know that America has never been white.

The US would be a lot better off if we could get rid of this scum. Including trump.

I have never heard/seen anyone say that besides steve mcgarret and those with TDS

 

[ChrisL]

So a sitting South Dakota lawmaker recently voiced his belief that businesses should be able to discriminate against people of color. Obviously this guy saw the recent Supreme Court ruling as a green light to go full racist -- and more and more openly racist/bigoted people are feeling more embolden to run for office (mainly as Republicans).

so my question is -- How many people here wish the Civil Rights bill was never passed?

Because essentially, to try to argue that businesses should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race is saying you are against the Civil Rights Act.

From the article:
In an interview with the Leader, Clark said he believed that business owners should be able to turn away certain customers if they would otherwise violate their religious beliefs.

"If it’s truly his strongly based belief, he should be able to turn them away," Clark told the Leader. "People shouldn’t be able to use their minority status to bully a business."


It's stunning to me that an elected state lawmaker- no matter what the state - can be so ignorant as to not know what the Civil Rights Act is and does.

I think I read that he took this back but he can't un-say it.

A lot of trumpanzees would be in favor of this. They post right here on this board. Dummies actually say they want to "make America white again" because they actually do not know that America has never been white.

The US would be a lot better off if we could get rid of this scum. Including trump.

I have never heard/seen anyone say that besides steve mcgarret and those with TDS

And we have leftists publicly claiming that they would like to "get rid of" people who they disagree with. Hmm. Tolerance?