Tell me . . .

[Wyatt earp]

If you are voting for either Hillary or Trump, tell me why.

1. What is about these candidates that attracts you?
2. Which of your chosen candidate's platforms/stances do you agree with?
3. Why are you against the "other guy"?

PLEASE answer the questions and stay on topic. Thanks.

Nothing attracts me about Hillary or the national Democratic party. The Clintons walk away from trouble that would put most any Republican behind bars or the very least out of national politics. I grant you some of the accusations made against the Clintons over the are bogus and takes away from real issues that are legit.

As for Trump he has a buffoonish side that gets him trouble. However he won't take any crap from the Dems, he will hit them right back. That leads to some misfires, but over all I can live with that. I do believe immigration is two issues, legal and illegal. The Dems are bent on making it one. Also in general I agree with Trump on trade. "Free trade"?? Nothing is for free, that is very misleading to say the least. I believe I bilateral trade, not multilateral for the most part.

Trump got to where he is because McConnell, Ryan etc the DC GOP did not do their job in cutting off sanctuary cites, amnesty {as proposed by Obama) and some other items. The Democrats lying like rugs calling the GOP obstructionist. BO with a few exceptions got everything he wanted either by executive order, court decision or the GOP Congress rolling over.

I don't put much of any stock in party platforms. its political junkie reading and something for the media to try and feast on.

I agree with most of this. If the GOP didn't come across as such greedy bastards and got rid of some of their religious/moral platforms when it comes to other people's personal lives, I might consider voting for one of them someday. However, at this point in time, they are the enemy of the working class American, and that is a LOT of people that they are disenfranchising.

That's where you and I differ, I grew up and was raised In Illinois.. Left when I was 38..

I never knew what personal freedom was, I never knew what a cost of living meant...until I moved to south carolina.

And am now 51 its a breath of fresh air.

I don't want to go back to tax slavery in the north.

 

[ChrisL]

The fact is that charitable donations are not enough. People are too greedy.

So force people to do what other people think is right?
Freedom is beginning to be nonexistent in this country. LOL

Unfortunately, because of inherent greediness, that is what has to be done.

What? You're willing to trade away freedom because if greed? Mein Kampf ring a bell?

Again, very LITTLE of your taxpayer dollars are going towards helping out the poor people. Much, much more of your taxpayer dollars are going to help your multi billion dollar industries.

Bullshit. For example - 140 BILLION/yr to the department of agriculture. What does this bureaucratic waste grow?
Screw your taxes. Absolutely zero accountability. Tax what I spend - not what I earn.

I don't have a problem with the fair tax proposals. Get rid of income tax and raise sales tax.

 

[SmokeALib]

...and he was and is a progressive career politician
We've had many socialist entitlement programs for many, many decades now - things have only gotten worse because of the socialism in our government… LOL
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Honestly, what do you think things would be like if we had no social services to help the poor? I mean really think about it. Things have gotten worse because of stagnant wages and people losing their power to negotiate with employers because of share holders,etc.

Punish the successful?
The career politicians and their federal government enable bad corporate behavior, in fact they encourage it.

Punish the successful? How so?

Tax the hell out of them because they're successful, is that what you want to do? Wealth redistribution is an evil concept.
Who gives a shit how little or how much anyone makes? It certainly is not any of the federal government's business.
I think everyone here has heard the saying "life is not fair" well, it isn't tough shit deal with it.
My whole adolescence was spent growing up in a total shit hole, An absolute government controlled socialist Indian reservation.
It is not safe for the integrity of a person to rely on the federal government… Fact

No, but you must know about how they avoid paying taxes entirely sometimes. No? You weren't aware of that? The feds only distribute SOME money to the states. It is up to the states how they set up their social safety nets for their citizens. Hope you never find yourself between a rock and a hard place and know how it feels to not be able to feed your babies.

It's a good thing I'm a responsible parent and wage earner. You government leeches crack me up.

 

[ChrisL]

I agree with most of this. If the GOP didn't come across as such greedy bastards and got rid of some of their religious/moral platforms when it comes to other people's personal lives, I might consider voting for one of them someday. However, at this point in time, they are the enemy of the working class American, and that is a LOT of people that they are disenfranchising.

You have been duped into believing anything they do in the beltway is in service of anyone other than the politicians, and you keep giving them power to do the very thing you despise the most about them. It must have sucked when you realized subsidized healthcare insurance was intended to pay the big greedy corporations with taxpayer dollars as well as ensure votes, and you were stupid enough to think it was meant to help the people.

I live in Massachusetts. We've had "romney care" for some time now.

 

[yiostheoy]

Do you people really need this much help? Bunch of dummies.

Everyone that you have been sparring with, ChrisL , is on my ignore list. So it looks like you are talking to yourself.

You need to add more morons to your ignore list.

 

[ChrisL]

Honestly, what do you think things would be like if we had no social services to help the poor? I mean really think about it. Things have gotten worse because of stagnant wages and people losing their power to negotiate with employers because of share holders,etc.

Punish the successful?
The career politicians and their federal government enable bad corporate behavior, in fact they encourage it.

Punish the successful? How so?

Tax the hell out of them because they're successful, is that what you want to do? Wealth redistribution is an evil concept.
Who gives a shit how little or how much anyone makes? It certainly is not any of the federal government's business.
I think everyone here has heard the saying "life is not fair" well, it isn't tough shit deal with it.
My whole adolescence was spent growing up in a total shit hole, An absolute government controlled socialist Indian reservation.
It is not safe for the integrity of a person to rely on the federal government… Fact

No, but you must know about how they avoid paying taxes entirely sometimes. No? You weren't aware of that? The feds only distribute SOME money to the states. It is up to the states how they set up their social safety nets for their citizens. Hope you never find yourself between a rock and a hard place and know how it feels to not be able to feed your babies.

It's a good thing I'm a responsible parent and wage earner. You government leeches crack me up.

And if you became very ill and could no longer work?

 

[SmokeALib]

So force people to do what other people think is right?
Freedom is beginning to be nonexistent in this country. LOL

Unfortunately, because of inherent greediness, that is what has to be done.

What? You're willing to trade away freedom because if greed? Mein Kampf ring a bell?

Again, very LITTLE of your taxpayer dollars are going towards helping out the poor people. Much, much more of your taxpayer dollars are going to help your multi billion dollar industries.

Bullshit. For example - 140 BILLION/yr to the department of agriculture. What does this bureaucratic waste grow?
Screw your taxes. Absolutely zero accountability. Tax what I spend - not what I earn.

I don't have a problem with the fair tax proposals. Get rid of income tax and raise sales tax.

But that's not the liberal mantra.

 

[Rustic]

...and he was and is a progressive career politician
We've had many socialist entitlement programs for many, many decades now - things have only gotten worse because of the socialism in our government… LOL
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Honestly, what do you think things would be like if we had no social services to help the poor? I mean really think about it. Things have gotten worse because of stagnant wages and people losing their power to negotiate with employers because of share holders,etc.

Punish the successful?
The career politicians and their federal government enable bad corporate behavior, in fact they encourage it.

Punish the successful? How so?

Tax the hell out of them because they're successful, is that what you want to do? Wealth redistribution is an evil concept.
Who gives a shit how little or how much anyone makes? It certainly is not any of the federal government's business.
I think everyone here has heard the saying "life is not fair" well, it isn't tough shit deal with it.
My whole adolescence was spent growing up in a total shit hole, An absolute government controlled socialist Indian reservation.
It is not safe for the integrity of a person to rely on the federal government… Fact

No, but you must know about how they avoid paying taxes entirely sometimes. No? You weren't aware of that? The feds only distribute SOME money to the states. It is up to the states how they set up their social safety nets for their citizens. Hope you never find yourself between a rock and a hard place and know how it feels to not be able to feed your babies.

A Social safety net is not the answer though, waste fraud and abuse is what the federal government is made up of...

 

[Hiryuu]

I live in Massachusetts. We've had "romney care" for some time now.

It doesn't matter who you bought the line of crap from, it's the same line of crap no matter how you slice it.

 

[ChrisL]

I live in Massachusetts. We've had "romney care" for some time now.

It doesn't matter who you bought the line of crap from, it's the same line of crap no matter how you slice it.

It's worked out pretty well for Massachusetts.

 

[yiostheoy]

Them paying taxes and not being able to circumvent paying their fair share is not "punishing" them. They should be contributing to the economy and the people who allow them to have a business to begin with.

So you telling me you want slavery, company's can't move..they have to stay were their at, can't vote just accept what taxes liberals impose on them, no matter if they can afford it or not..because you say they can afford it

Slavery? Paying your fair share of taxes is not slavery. ESPECIALLY when we are talking about multi billion dollar businesses. Give me a break. You pity them for having to pay taxes, but you want to throw the poor away like so much trash. Rotten to the core. I picture Scrooge when I see your posts.

There has been so much argumentation about taxes that I am ready to go to a flat 20% tax on everybody at the Federal level with an annual exclusion for the cost of living -- food, clothing, shelter, transportation and medical.

This would force Romney to pay another 6% over his 14% taxes on his $20 million of annual income and give everyone else a major tax cut.

 

[ChrisL]

Unfortunately, because of inherent greediness, that is what has to be done.

What? You're willing to trade away freedom because if greed? Mein Kampf ring a bell?

Again, very LITTLE of your taxpayer dollars are going towards helping out the poor people. Much, much more of your taxpayer dollars are going to help your multi billion dollar industries.

Bullshit. For example - 140 BILLION/yr to the department of agriculture. What does this bureaucratic waste grow?
Screw your taxes. Absolutely zero accountability. Tax what I spend - not what I earn.

I don't have a problem with the fair tax proposals. Get rid of income tax and raise sales tax.

But that's not the liberal mantra.

I'm not a liberal. I'm a centrist.

 

[SmokeALib]

Punish the successful?
The career politicians and their federal government enable bad corporate behavior, in fact they encourage it.

Punish the successful? How so?

Tax the hell out of them because they're successful, is that what you want to do? Wealth redistribution is an evil concept.
Who gives a shit how little or how much anyone makes? It certainly is not any of the federal government's business.
I think everyone here has heard the saying "life is not fair" well, it isn't tough shit deal with it.
My whole adolescence was spent growing up in a total shit hole, An absolute government controlled socialist Indian reservation.
It is not safe for the integrity of a person to rely on the federal government… Fact

No, but you must know about how they avoid paying taxes entirely sometimes. No? You weren't aware of that? The feds only distribute SOME money to the states. It is up to the states how they set up their social safety nets for their citizens. Hope you never find yourself between a rock and a hard place and know how it feels to not be able to feed your babies.

It's a good thing I'm a responsible parent and wage earner. You government leeches crack me up.

And if you became very ill and could no longer work?

Got money put away if that happens. Comes from working 3 jobs at one point - and saving my money rather than buying new cars, 4-wheelers, directv, etc.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I agree with most of this. If the GOP didn't come across as such greedy bastards and got rid of some of their religious/moral platforms when it comes to other people's personal lives, I might consider voting for one of them someday. However, at this point in time, they are the enemy of the working class American, and that is a LOT of people that they are disenfranchising.

You have been duped into believing anything they do in the beltway is in service of anyone other than the politicians, and you keep giving them power to do the very thing you despise the most about them. It must have sucked when you realized subsidized healthcare insurance was intended to pay the big greedy corporations with taxpayer dollars as well as ensure votes, and you were stupid enough to think it was meant to help the people.

I live in Massachusetts. We've had "romney care" for some time now.

See.. ...you don't have a clue ..taxachuettes

Almost transfered in the 80s there...with my job, I was So mad everything was as high as The Chicago area ..Fuck that.

 

[ChrisL]

Honestly, what do you think things would be like if we had no social services to help the poor? I mean really think about it. Things have gotten worse because of stagnant wages and people losing their power to negotiate with employers because of share holders,etc.

Punish the successful?
The career politicians and their federal government enable bad corporate behavior, in fact they encourage it.

Punish the successful? How so?

Tax the hell out of them because they're successful, is that what you want to do? Wealth redistribution is an evil concept.
Who gives a shit how little or how much anyone makes? It certainly is not any of the federal government's business.
I think everyone here has heard the saying "life is not fair" well, it isn't tough shit deal with it.
My whole adolescence was spent growing up in a total shit hole, An absolute government controlled socialist Indian reservation.
It is not safe for the integrity of a person to rely on the federal government… Fact

No, but you must know about how they avoid paying taxes entirely sometimes. No? You weren't aware of that? The feds only distribute SOME money to the states. It is up to the states how they set up their social safety nets for their citizens. Hope you never find yourself between a rock and a hard place and know how it feels to not be able to feed your babies.

A Social safety net is not the answer though, waste fraud and abuse is what the federal government is made up of...

I disagree. I posted this earlier in the thread.

BRIA 14 3 a How Welfare Began in the United States - Constitutional Rights Foundation

 

[Hiryuu]

It's worked out pretty well for Massachusetts.

It works well for the corporations and corporate welfare no matter where it is, that's the point.

 

[sealybobo]

If you are voting for either Hillary or Trump, tell me why.

1. What is about these candidates that attracts you?
2. Which of your chosen candidate's platforms/stances do you agree with?
3. Why are you against the "other guy"?

PLEASE answer the questions and stay on topic. Thanks.

1 The 90s were good and Obama got us back on course. I don't want to go back to 2000-2008.

2. Hillary

3. Trumps lying and I don't want Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan legislation getting passed and supreme Court nominees

 

[ChrisL]

I agree with most of this. If the GOP didn't come across as such greedy bastards and got rid of some of their religious/moral platforms when it comes to other people's personal lives, I might consider voting for one of them someday. However, at this point in time, they are the enemy of the working class American, and that is a LOT of people that they are disenfranchising.

You have been duped into believing anything they do in the beltway is in service of anyone other than the politicians, and you keep giving them power to do the very thing you despise the most about them. It must have sucked when you realized subsidized healthcare insurance was intended to pay the big greedy corporations with taxpayer dollars as well as ensure votes, and you were stupid enough to think it was meant to help the people.

I live in Massachusetts. We've had "romney care" for some time now.

See.. ...you don't have a clue ..taxachuettes

Almost transfered in the 80s there...with my job, I was So mad everything was as high as The Chicago area ..Fuck that.

Wages are also higher in MA than in your neck of the woods, that's for sure. The average wage in MA is 65,000 thereabouts per year.

 

[ChrisL]

If you are voting for either Hillary or Trump, tell me why.

1. What is about these candidates that attracts you?
2. Which of your chosen candidate's platforms/stances do you agree with?
3. Why are you against the "other guy"?

PLEASE answer the questions and stay on topic. Thanks.

1 The 90s were good and Obama got us back on course. I don't want to go back to 2000-2008.

2. Hillary

3. Trumps lying and I don't want Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan legislation getting passed and supreme Court nominees

What is your concern with the SCOTUS nominees?

 

[yiostheoy]

If you are voting for either Hillary or Trump, tell me why.

1. What is about these candidates that attracts you?
2. Which of your chosen candidate's platforms/stances do you agree with?
3. Why are you against the "other guy"?

PLEASE answer the questions and stay on topic. Thanks.

1 The 90s were good and Obama got us back on course. I don't want to go back to 2000-2008.

2. Hillary

3. Trumps lying and I don't want Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan legislation getting passed and supreme Court nominees

What is your concern with the SCOTUS nominees?

Take one look at Ginsberg and you cannot help being horrified.