ten years ago

[Mac1958]

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Here:

 

[JoeB131]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

BOth parties shoulder some of the blame for Iraq. Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Biden and a lot of other top Democrats voted for it, and Democrats didn't punish any of them for doing so at the polls. Even Joe Lieberman (D-Israel) kept his seat after failing to see the wind of public opinion had shifted.

In fact, the only guy who got punished for it was Lincoln Chafee, who was the only Republican to vote against the war authorization, but he was a Republican in a vulnerable position.

The Zionists got what they wanted. They got rid of Saddam. And Bush was left holding the political bag for it.

I do think what Iraq represents is the point where America has to decide if it wants to be a world power or have entitlements, because we can't have both. The Europeans faced this 40 years ago and gave up empire.

 

[Jroc]

4 years ago, trillion became the new billion...

How is that working for us? Well, it sure is working for the Fed isn't it.

that's why starting a war

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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.



I have mixed opinons on what we did in Iraq, however, while Democrats were all talk and no action about Iraq, Bush to his credit acted on word of the UN and Democrats about WMDs.

lowering taxes

“Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government.”


– John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963, annual budget message to the Congress, fiscal year 1964

and putting the war on visa was such a stellar idea.

Putting massive debt on the Visas, MasterCards and American Expresses of people who are not even born yet, which have been going on at the highest rate these last 4 years isn't exactly a stellar idea either. Bottom line is, while Bush certainly did not help the situation, just remember, in 6 years under Bush, with Republican control, he added $3.4 trillion in debt. When Democrats and Obama gained control of all 3 branches, it only took them ONE year to add $3 trillion in debt. Wow....in 1 year they came up $400 billion short of adding the same debt it took Bush and Republicans do in 6 years. Brilliant economists those Democrats are!!!

In closing, neither Democrat nor Republican seem interested in what is best for America, but what is best for their own party.

The U.N. the French were making money and working with Saddam Hussein they did help with the lead up to the war they contributed to the fact that we had to go to war and may even have given Saddam Hussein time to move any weapons he had to Syria....now we have to worry about them there

 

[Bfgrn]

Spin it all you want......

But it was a Kennedy (democrat) that sent the first troops into Vietnam.

And it was his successor Johnson (democrat) who expanded the war to the point of no return.

It is not 'spin', it is history. Eisenhower is the one who raised our commitment when he refused to sign the Geneva Accords. Thus creating a new country. Kennedy never sent troops to Vietnam, he signed an order to withdraw 1,000 military personnel by the end of 1963 and withdraw all personnel by the end of 1965. That is not 'spin', it is a documented FACT. Maybe if you had an adult chaperone they could help you read the links I posted.

LBJ did send in troops and Americanized the war. Democrats ran him out of office.

Nixon ran for president in 1968 promising to end the war. Instead he expanded the war, especially bombings.

No they didn't.

Johnson had a "What have I done" moment after Cronkite basically damned him for the war.

He decided not to run, because of that.

They ran him out of office. After Eugene McCarthy's strong showing in the New Hampshire primary, and Robert Kennedy entering the race it became clear to Johnson that he would not win the nomination.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Hindsight is not always 20-20.

“Willingness to fight for freedom, no matter where the battle may be, has always been a characteristic of our people,” Ike wrote, “but the conditions then prevailing in Indochina were such as to make unilateral American intervention nothing short of sheer folly.”

From:
In review: pictures I've kept:a concise pictorial autobiography
Doubleday, 1969 - 237 pages

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

truth hurts, huh?

Ten years ago my business was BOOMING

Today its a struggle to stay above board.

Truth indeed

That's on you gramps. Mine has not waivered through Dubya or Obama.

Interesting to see that your own butt hurt is bothering you more than the debacle of the Iraq invasion and resulting loss of life.

How is it on me that the housing and construction business near collapsed and is only crawling back to life?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Ten years ago my business was BOOMING

Today its a struggle to stay above board.

Truth indeed

That's on you gramps. Mine has not waivered through Dubya or Obama.

Interesting to see that your own butt hurt is bothering you more than the debacle of the Iraq invasion and resulting loss of life.

How is it on me that the housing and construction business near collapsed and is only crawling back to life?

You built it all by yourself.....you can blow it all by yourself.

 

[Truthmatters]

Slow news day huh?

truth hurts, huh?

Ten years ago my business was BOOMING

Today its a struggle to stay above board.

Truth indeed

thank the republican party for crashing the economy

 

[Truthmatters]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

BOth parties shoulder some of the blame for Iraq. Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Biden and a lot of other top Democrats voted for it, and Democrats didn't punish any of them for doing so at the polls. Even Joe Lieberman (D-Israel) kept his seat after failing to see the wind of public opinion had shifted.

In fact, the only guy who got punished for it was Lincoln Chafee, who was the only Republican to vote against the war authorization, but he was a Republican in a vulnerable position.

The Zionists got what they wanted. They got rid of Saddam. And Bush was left holding the political bag for it.

I do think what Iraq represents is the point where America has to decide if it wants to be a world power or have entitlements, because we can't have both. The Europeans faced this 40 years ago and gave up empire.

and just what intell did they base their votes on?


LIES from the Bush admin

 

[jillian]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

BOth parties shoulder some of the blame for Iraq. Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Biden and a lot of other top Democrats voted for it, and Democrats didn't punish any of them for doing so at the polls. Even Joe Lieberman (D-Israel) kept his seat after failing to see the wind of public opinion had shifted.

In fact, the only guy who got punished for it was Lincoln Chafee, who was the only Republican to vote against the war authorization, but he was a Republican in a vulnerable position.

The Zionists got what they wanted. They got rid of Saddam. And Bush was left holding the political bag for it.

I do think what Iraq represents is the point where America has to decide if it wants to be a world power or have entitlements, because we can't have both. The Europeans faced this 40 years ago and gave up empire.

that's a common incorrect assertion regarding the iraq war resolution.

the resolution did not technically tell bush he should go in and start blowing up baghdad. he was authorized to wage war so that our president would be able to engage in diplomacy with all of the possible arrows in his quiver. however, prior to actually engaging in any attack, bush was required to go back to congress ONLY AFTER ENGAGING IN DIPLOMACY... and ONLY IF THE FINAL REPORT OF HANS BLIX INDICATED IT WAS APPROPRIATE... and give congresss reports and seek further authorizations to engage in actual warfare.

he never did. that is not the fault of the members of congress who empowered the president appropriately.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/wariniraq/a/jt_resolution.htm

 

[The Rabbi]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

BOth parties shoulder some of the blame for Iraq. Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Biden and a lot of other top Democrats voted for it, and Democrats didn't punish any of them for doing so at the polls. Even Joe Lieberman (D-Israel) kept his seat after failing to see the wind of public opinion had shifted.

In fact, the only guy who got punished for it was Lincoln Chafee, who was the only Republican to vote against the war authorization, but he was a Republican in a vulnerable position.

The Zionists got what they wanted. They got rid of Saddam. And Bush was left holding the political bag for it.

I do think what Iraq represents is the point where America has to decide if it wants to be a world power or have entitlements, because we can't have both. The Europeans faced this 40 years ago and gave up empire.

that's a common incorrect assertion regarding the iraq war resolution.

the resolution did not technically tell bush he should go in and start blowing up baghdad. he was authorized to wage war so that our president would be able to engage in diplomacy with all of the possible arrows in his quiver. however, prior to actually engaging in any attack, bush was required to go back to congress ONLY AFTER ENGAGING IN DIPLOMACY... and ONLY IF THE FINAL REPORT OF HANS BLIX INDICATED IT WAS APPROPRIATE... and give congresss reports and seek further authorizations to engage in actual warfare.

he never did. that is not the fault of the members of congress who empowered the president appropriately.

Iraqi War Resolution - Text of Iraq Resolution and Roll Call Vote Authorizing War In Iraq

Democrats i Congress could have ended the war any time after 2006 by stopping funding. How many anti war resolutions did those spineless weasels pass without actually doing anything?
And do you really think Congress was voting to authorize war but didnt actually expect Bush would wage one?
They aren't as stupid as you.

 

[JoeB131]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

BOth parties shoulder some of the blame for Iraq. Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Biden and a lot of other top Democrats voted for it, and Democrats didn't punish any of them for doing so at the polls. Even Joe Lieberman (D-Israel) kept his seat after failing to see the wind of public opinion had shifted.

In fact, the only guy who got punished for it was Lincoln Chafee, who was the only Republican to vote against the war authorization, but he was a Republican in a vulnerable position.

The Zionists got what they wanted. They got rid of Saddam. And Bush was left holding the political bag for it.

I do think what Iraq represents is the point where America has to decide if it wants to be a world power or have entitlements, because we can't have both. The Europeans faced this 40 years ago and gave up empire.

that's a common incorrect assertion regarding the iraq war resolution.

the resolution did not technically tell bush he should go in and start blowing up baghdad. he was authorized to wage war so that our president would be able to engage in diplomacy with all of the possible arrows in his quiver. however, prior to actually engaging in any attack, bush was required to go back to congress ONLY AFTER ENGAGING IN DIPLOMACY... and ONLY IF THE FINAL REPORT OF HANS BLIX INDICATED IT WAS APPROPRIATE... and give congresss reports and seek further authorizations to engage in actual warfare.

he never did. that is not the fault of the members of congress who empowered the president appropriately.
]

Oh, please.

"I had no idea Bush would go to war when I authorized him to go to war!"

Anyone could tell Bush and the people around him had a hardon to get Saddam. Saddam had tried to murder Bush Sr., after all! If you really think any of them thought that we were going to put four divisions and five carrier groups into theatre and NOT go to war, that's a bit delusional.

Here's what the Democrats were thinking, "Well, we know Saddam probably doesn't have much in WMD's, and he had nothing to do with 9/11, but everyone is angry and want to take it out on someone, and we've let the Zionists demonize Saddam for decades. Heck, the war will be over in a couple weeks, we'll hand the mess over to the UN to fix and we'll get out. Then we can get back to bashing Bush on the economy."

We went to war with Iraq because the Zionists wanted him gone. When we stop dancing to their tune, that will be a great day.

 

[JoeB131]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

BOth parties shoulder some of the blame for Iraq. Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Biden and a lot of other top Democrats voted for it, and Democrats didn't punish any of them for doing so at the polls. Even Joe Lieberman (D-Israel) kept his seat after failing to see the wind of public opinion had shifted.

In fact, the only guy who got punished for it was Lincoln Chafee, who was the only Republican to vote against the war authorization, but he was a Republican in a vulnerable position.

The Zionists got what they wanted. They got rid of Saddam. And Bush was left holding the political bag for it.

I do think what Iraq represents is the point where America has to decide if it wants to be a world power or have entitlements, because we can't have both. The Europeans faced this 40 years ago and gave up empire.

and just what intell did they base their votes on?


LIES from the Bush admin

Again, the intel from Bush was exactly the same as the intel from the Clinton years. Bush even kept Clinton's CIA Director, who announced, "It's a slam dunk, Mr. President". To go ahead and claim that these poor innocent democrats were "decieved" is laughable.

Reality. When analysts said we would lose 10,000 men taking Baghdad, people shrugged it off. It was only a number on a piece of paper. We ended up losing a lot less than that, but they had names and families and suddenly, "Gee, we had NO IDEA there were no WMD's. Bush lied to us, even though we had access to the same intelligence he had, and some of us have been making the SAME CLAIMS about Saddam back into the 1990's."

Iraq was stupidity- but it's bipartisan stupidity as part of a larger stupid policy. Balancing our hunger for oil vs. the ability of the Zionists to dictate our policies!

 

[Sunni Man]

We went to war with Iraq because the Zionists wanted him gone. When we stop dancing to their tune, that will be a great day.

America is tightly in the grip of the Zionists both politically and financially.

Sadly, most people have been brain washed into the delusion that what is best for Israel is best for America.

 

[asaratis]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

Slow news day huh?

truth hurts, huh?

The truth hurts the democrats and those that suck up to them.

A tactic of the left is to wait several years after a Democrat fucks up really bad and then blame it on a Republican.

Think CLINTON and The Iraqi Liberation Act....

Clinton Signs Iraq Liberation Act

 

[Bfgrn]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

Slow news day huh?

truth hurts, huh?

The truth hurts the democrats and those that suck up to them.

A tactic of the left is to wait several years after a Democrat fucks up really bad and then blame it on a Republican.

Think CLINTON and The Iraqi Liberation Act....

Clinton Signs Iraq Liberation Act

What's ironic is the right claims they don't trust government and whine for 'less government' totally and fully embrace anything a Republican despot like Bush does.

 

[asaratis]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

truth hurts, huh?

The truth hurts the democrats and those that suck up to them.

A tactic of the left is to wait several years after a Democrat fucks up really bad and then blame it on a Republican.

Think CLINTON and The Iraqi Liberation Act....

Clinton Signs Iraq Liberation Act

What's ironic is the right claims they don't trust government and whine for 'less government' totally and fully embrace anything a Republican despot like Bush does.

Wrong! There has not been a President in my adult lifetime with which I totally agreed. Bush did not exercise the power of veto near enough.

 

[The Rabbi]

george w bush sold us the bill of goods euphemistically known as operation iraqi freedom.

President Delivers "State of the Union"

how's that working out for us?

truth hurts, huh?

The truth hurts the democrats and those that suck up to them.

A tactic of the left is to wait several years after a Democrat fucks up really bad and then blame it on a Republican.

Think CLINTON and The Iraqi Liberation Act....

Clinton Signs Iraq Liberation Act

What's ironic is the right claims they don't trust government and whine for 'less government' totally and fully embrace anything a Republican despot like Bush does.

What's ironic is you think you know the meaning of irony.

 

[Bfgrn]

The truth hurts the democrats and those that suck up to them.

A tactic of the left is to wait several years after a Democrat fucks up really bad and then blame it on a Republican.

Think CLINTON and The Iraqi Liberation Act....

Clinton Signs Iraq Liberation Act

What's ironic is the right claims they don't trust government and whine for 'less government' totally and fully embrace anything a Republican despot like Bush does.

What's ironic is you think you know the meaning of irony.

"People are not on unemployment for 2 years because there are no jobs. There are no jobs because people are on unemployment for 2 years."
The Rabbi

 

[The Rabbi]

What's ironic is the right claims they don't trust government and whine for 'less government' totally and fully embrace anything a Republican despot like Bush does.

What's ironic is you think you know the meaning of irony.

"People are not on unemployment for 2 years because there are no jobs. There are no jobs because people are on unemployment for 2 years."
The Rabbi

True statement.
The Effect of Unemployment Insurance on Unemployment, David Henderson | EconLog | Library of Economics and Liberty

Note that this is supported by that arch Republican Larry Summers.