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In the parable of the talents we all know who the lib was, don't we?My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
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In the parable of the talents we all know who the lib was, don't we?My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
Holy crap, I admitted that right up front, and I'm asking a question!Why so defensive?Yes, considering what you do that should make you an agent of Satan. Unless of course you never really make anyone rich.I'm sure as hell (uh, no pun intended there) no expert on biblical matters, but I do wonder how wealthy Christians square this with their investment portfolios. Maybe there's another verse in there that cancels this out or something, huh?
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Seems like a fair question. What's the answer, do you suppose?
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Not defensive at all. It just amazes me how folks will comment on things that they do not know.
What's wrong with that?
Does anyone ELSE want to answer this?
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This is another false stereotype perpetrated by the left.I'm sure as hell (uh, no pun intended there) no expert on biblical matters, but I do wonder how wealthy Christians square this with their investment portfolios.
Maybe there's another verse in there that cancels this out or something, huh?
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---My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
Rich is relative. The poor of America are rich in comparison to the poor in Africa. The man with one shoe is richer than the man with no shoes. I guess what you need to do first is define rich. A lot of money, does that make one rich? A happy secure life, does that make someone rich? If rich is defined as someone with more then me then there are a whole lot of rich people.
So, is your OP actually a quote from the Bible? You are indicating it to be a quote. Could you provide the chapter and verse, please? The Version of the Bible you quote would be helpful.
Humans will lawyer anything to fit their desires. Many in America lawyer the bible so rich is anyone that has more money than they do, no matter how much they have. "It's relative" is the battle cry of the money changers who want to keep their wealth as they step over the poor.
'Twas always thus and always thus will be.
My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
Rich is relative. The poor of America are rich in comparison to the poor in Africa. The man with one shoe is richer than the man with no shoes. I guess what you need to do first is define rich. A lot of money, does that make one rich? A happy secure life, does that make someone rich? If rich is defined as someone with more then me then there are a whole lot of rich people.
So, is your OP actually a quote from the Bible? You are indicating it to be a quote. Could you provide the chapter and verse, please? The Version of the Bible you quote would be helpful.
Matthew 19:
…23And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke 16:
14 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight. 16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. 18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
Rich is relative. The poor of America are rich in comparison to the poor in Africa. The man with one shoe is richer than the man with no shoes. I guess what you need to do first is define rich. A lot of money, does that make one rich? A happy secure life, does that make someone rich? If rich is defined as someone with more then me then there are a whole lot of rich people.
So, is your OP actually a quote from the Bible? You are indicating it to be a quote. Could you provide the chapter and verse, please? The Version of the Bible you quote would be helpful.
Matthew 19:
…23And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke 16:
14 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight. 16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. 18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
What point are you cutting and pasting?
My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
Rich is relative. The poor of America are rich in comparison to the poor in Africa. The man with one shoe is richer than the man with no shoes. I guess what you need to do first is define rich. A lot of money, does that make one rich? A happy secure life, does that make someone rich? If rich is defined as someone with more then me then there are a whole lot of rich people.
So, is your OP actually a quote from the Bible? You are indicating it to be a quote. Could you provide the chapter and verse, please? The Version of the Bible you quote would be helpful.
Matthew 19:
…23And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke 16:
14 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight. 16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. 18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
What point are you cutting and pasting?
That the rich are getting richer while ordinary, everyday working Americans are getting screwed by the wealthy. It's been happening ever since Reagan slashed tax rates for the rich to the lowest levels in our history:
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.................................Total U S Debt.......................................
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)(President Clinton raised tax rates while he still had a Democrat congress)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)((Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
Rich is relative. The poor of America are rich in comparison to the poor in Africa. The man with one shoe is richer than the man with no shoes. I guess what you need to do first is define rich. A lot of money, does that make one rich? A happy secure life, does that make someone rich? If rich is defined as someone with more then me then there are a whole lot of rich people.
So, is your OP actually a quote from the Bible? You are indicating it to be a quote. Could you provide the chapter and verse, please? The Version of the Bible you quote would be helpful.
Matthew 19:
…23And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24"Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke 16:
14 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God’s sight. 16 “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17 It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. 18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
What point are you cutting and pasting?
That the rich are getting richer while ordinary, everyday working Americans are getting screwed by the wealthy. It's been happening ever since Reagan slashed tax rates for the rich to the lowest levels in our history:
![]()
.................................Total U S Debt.......................................
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)(President Clinton raised tax rates while he still had a Democrat congress)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)((Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
The current Republican front runner is no Christian.The current Republican front runner is a billionaire who has admitted to buying favors from politicians of opposing views so he could make more money. Very Christian of him.
No more than you can carry when you are dead...My question is "How Much Is Rich?"
I see him humbling himself before the Lord on a regular basis....at least once in his lifetime...The current Republican front runner is no Christian.The current Republican front runner is a billionaire who has admitted to buying favors from politicians of opposing views so he could make more money. Very Christian of him.
The current Republican front runner is a billionaire who has admitted to buying favors from politicians of opposing views so he could make more money. Very Christian of him.
It doesn't. Jesus was very strong on generosity, but noted accurately that with great wealth comes great temptation towards corruption and greed. We see it happen frequently among televangelists.The current Republican front runner is a billionaire who has admitted to buying favors from politicians of opposing views so he could make more money. Very Christian of him.
Where in the Bible does it say hard work and becoming successful is a sin?
So that's where they moved Heaven...The current Republican front runner is a billionaire who has admitted to buying favors from politicians of opposing views so he could make more money. Very Christian of him.
So Trump has no chance of being Pope.
Ok
He said that you can't be a slave to two masters...Give up the dough and follow what the guy in a dress says...It doesn't. Jesus was very strong on generosity, but noted accurately that with great wealth comes great temptation towards corruption and greed. We see it happen frequently among televangelists.The current Republican front runner is a billionaire who has admitted to buying favors from politicians of opposing views so he could make more money. Very Christian of him.
Where in the Bible does it say hard work and becoming successful is a sin?
The current Republican front runner is a billionaire who has admitted to buying favors from politicians of opposing views so he could make more money. Very Christian of him.
My question is "How Much Is Rich?"