The Bush Administration Was "ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN" That Saddam Hussein Had WMDs

[Billo_Really]

Why would Hussein leave them to be found?

He had months to get rid of them.

You can't get rid of what you don't have.

 

[CMike]

Look you moron, a democrat controlled congress most of which believed Saddam had WMD's approved the war in Iraq.

Democrats didn't control Congress until the 2006 mid-terms, 3 years after the war started.

And whether or not I held Bush responsible for anything is irrelevant.

He deliberately lied this country into a war that cost over 4000 American lives, over 1 million Iraqi lives, over 1 trillion US tax dollars, contributed to our economic meltdown, destroyed our reputation around the world, shit on our American heritage and the worse thing of all, in light of everything this country sacrificed on this illegal and immoral war, we got nothing in return for that investment.

If you don't have a problem spending a trillion US tax dollars in someone else's god-damn country, with no direct benefit to average Americans, then you're not a patriot to this country.

The democraps controlled the white house right before Pres.Bush.

Bush lied? What Did The Democrats Say About Iraq?s WMD? ? Glenn Beck


Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

– Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."

– President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source


"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program."


– President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

– Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."

– Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Letter to President Clinton.

– (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

– Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

– Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."

– Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."

– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."

– Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

– Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…"

– Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."

– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

– Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."

– Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

 

[Billo_Really]

Look you moron, a democrat controlled congress most of which believed Saddam had WMD's approved the war in Iraq.

Democrats didn't control Congress until the 2006 mid-terms, 3 years after the war started.
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The Senate was split 50-50 at the beginning of his first term and 49-49-2 at the end of his second term. However, this situation changed on May 24, 2001, when the liberal Republican Senator Jim Jeffords switched his party affiliation to become the only Independent senator and announced that he would caucus with the Democrats. This gave the Democrats the advantage of out-voting the Republicans on issues in the Senate.



Iraq War Resolution Votes

Republican 48 Ayes-- 1 Nays- 0
Democratic 29 Ayes-- 21 Nays- 0
Independent 0--1 Nay- 0
TOTALS 77 Ayes-- 23 Nays- 0

So what!

Dems and Reps are flip-sides of the same coin.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

True but he did sign the Iraq Liberation Act which was used by the Bush Jr. administration to get congress on board with the invasion...

I'm not excusing the Clinton's over this. Hillary is a war hawk and they have blood on their hands as well. But it was the Bush Admin that really kicked in all the lies that were told to this nation.

Bush Resurrects False Claims​

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[OriginalShroom]

Rachel Maddow and MSNBC has gotten the lies started again.

And the OP shows that there is a sucker born every minute who will believe those lies.

 

[CMike]

Why would Hussein leave them to be found?

He had months to get rid of them.

You can't get rid of what you don't have.

You can get rid of what you have.

They were moved to Syria. Hussein had months to do so.

 

[g5000]

I think they were moved to Syria.

If they were, their shelf life expired more than five years ago.

There is no question that Saddam used WND's to kill all those Kurds. That was enough reason to remove him right there.

Okay, so you have evidence Hussien had WMDs back in 1988 when he used them on the Kurds. Have any evidence he had WMDs in 2003?

 

[Billo_Really]

You can get rid of what you have.

They were moved to Syria. Hussein had months to do so.

No one gives their weapons to an enemy for safe keeping!

 

[g5000]

Why would Hussein leave them to be found?

He had months to get rid of them.

You can't get rid of what you don't have.

You can get rid of what you have.

They were moved to Syria. Hussein had months to do so.

Where is your evidence they were moved to Syria? Sounds like desperate wishful thinking to me.

Moving imaginary WMDs around in your head from Iraq to Syria.

Let's see the evidence.

 

[Billo_Really]

If they were, their shelf life expired more than seven years ago.

Okay, so you have evidence Hussien had WMDs back in the 80s when he used them on the Kurds. Have any evidence he had WMDs in 2003?

None of that makes the war legal or necessary.

 

[CMike]

He had them. He used them.

Apparently, the democrat leadership believed so as well.

What Did The Democrats Say About


Here's what the Democrats said about Iraq's WMDs (including the source of each quote):

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

Why do you people keep bringing all those statements up as if they prove Bush was telling the truth?

None of their statements gets Bush off the hook for the invasion.

He was the "Decider", remember?

Because you are making a silly argument. Clinton and his minions controlled the white house right before Pres. Bush. They had access to all the intelligence information.

If you believe that "Bush" lied then Clinton, Hillary, Albridght, Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, Levin, Berger, Rockeeller, Kennedy and the rest all lied too.

They didn't.

It's all one massive conspiracy to you, huh>

 

[Billo_Really]

Where is your evidence they were moved to Syria? Sounds like desperate wishful thinking to me.

Moving imaginary WMDs around in your head from Iraq to Syria.

Let's see the evidence.

I didn't say they were moved to Syria. I said they didn't have any after 1993.

If they were moved to Syria, don't you think we'd notice a convoy of semi-trucks, driving a 1000 miles across open desert, from all the satellites we have pointed in that area?

 

[g5000]

Where is your evidence they were moved to Syria? Sounds like desperate wishful thinking to me.

Moving imaginary WMDs around in your head from Iraq to Syria.

Let's see the evidence.

I didn't say they were moved to Syria. I said they didn't have any after 1993.

If they were moved to Syria, don't you think we'd notice a convoy of semi-trucks, driving a 1000 miles across open desert, from all the satellites we have pointed in that area?

I was addressing CMike. He claimed they were moved to Syria.

And if there were WMDs moved to Syria, they could have been moved by air or sea. Not just by land.

 

[Billo_Really]

Because you are making a silly argument. Clinton and his minions controlled the white house right before Pres. Bush. They had access to all the intelligence information.

If you believe that "Bush" lied then Clinton, Hillary, Albridght, Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, Levin, Berger, Rockeeller, Kennedy and the rest all lied too.

They didn't.

It's all one massive conspiracy to you, huh>

The invasion happened on his watch. He gave the green light to go in there.

Clinton just went along with what the neocons wanted to do.

 

[CMike]

You can get rid of what you have.

They were moved to Syria. Hussein had months to do so.

No one gives their weapons to an enemy for safe keeping!

Syria was an ally.

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - The New York Sun

Saddam's WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says - The New York Sun

 

[Billo_Really]

Where is your evidence they were moved to Syria? Sounds like desperate wishful thinking to me.

Moving imaginary WMDs around in your head from Iraq to Syria.

Let's see the evidence.

I didn't say they were moved to Syria. I said they didn't have any after 1993.

If they were moved to Syria, don't you think we'd notice a convoy of semi-trucks, driving a 1000 miles across open desert, from all the satellites we have pointed in that area?

I was addressing CMike. He claimed they were moved to Syria.

Sorry, my bad!

How 'bout a group hug?

 

[Billo_Really]

Syria was an ally.

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - The New York Sun

Saddam's WMD Moved to Syria, An Israeli Says - The New York Sun

Syria wasn't an ally, they were a competitor.

Hussein didn't trust anyone.

 

[CMike]

Because you are making a silly argument. Clinton and his minions controlled the white house right before Pres. Bush. They had access to all the intelligence information.

If you believe that "Bush" lied then Clinton, Hillary, Albridght, Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, Levin, Berger, Rockeeller, Kennedy and the rest all lied too.

They didn't.

It's all one massive conspiracy to you, huh?

The invasion happened on his watch. He gave the green light to go in there.

Clinton just went along with what the neocons wanted to do.

The quote from Clinton happened when he was president.

 

[BlindBoo]

There were reports to that effect but they were debunked during the Raygun years. The reason they want to blame the Iranians was because it was Rayguns policies that allowed Saddam to develop his WMD beyond mustard gas.

I don't see how it could be debunked, when no bodies were examined to determine just whose gas it was that killed them. They were killed in an area where there was heavy fighting between Iraqis and Iranian's.

They didn't need the chemical signature to debunk the claim that Iran was responsible. The Kurds were on Irans side. Likely the signatures would lead back to Germany who sold most of the precusor chemicals to Iraq after the US (Raygun) took Iraq off the nations who sponsored terrorism.

 

[Oldstyle]

Moreover, that he was determined to use them.

We now know that was a blatant LIE.

Here's some of the gems that brought us to war with the wrong country for the wrong reasons. These are all quotes...

Saddam's removal is necessary to eradicate the threat from his weapons of mass destruction

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

With all that alleged certainty, you don't just NOT be able to prove it. They lied to us, and they lied repeatedly and for a singular purpose of getting the country in a frame of mind to go to war.

How do the Republicans of USMB reconcile this? What's your response?

Only one problem with your whole "Bush lied" concept, Marc but it's a rather big one. Do you remember the "Downing Street Memos"? The top secret notes of meetings between the British and the United States leading up to the invasion of Iraq? The ones that were leaked because someone thought they were a "smoking gun" of the Bush Administration manipulating intelligence reports to take us to war?

During those meetings both the British and the Americans were shown to be gravely concerned about whether or not Saddam Hussein would use WMD's on the invading forces and what the casualty levels would be if he did.

What's "inconvenient" for the rant that "Bush lied" to hold up...is that if in fact the Bush Administration KNEW that Saddam had no WMD's before the invasion (and only used that he did as a pretext to invade) then how does one explain the grave concerns from both the British and the US leaders that they could face serious loss of life invading Iraq if Saddam used WMD's? Why would they discuss the political ramifications of massive troop losses if they knew Saddam didn't have WMD's?