The GOP's Eight Year Lie

[rightwinger]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?
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The Republican leadership in Congress has lost all credibility in my opinion, and the Freedom caucus has convinced me that they are little more than infantile morons.

Trump deserves better support from Congressional leadership than he is getting, and if the Democrats were not so partisan they would see the golden opportunity that they have to correct the major flaws with Obamacare and get reform of it instead of repeal, thus securing Obama's legacy till this nation goes extinct.

Which flaws in Obamacare were Republicans going to correct?
Cut the tax on the wealthy?
End Medicaid expansion?
Increase rates on women and older Americans?

Dems were never going to agree to that

Nope! The Dems would never agree to that! They are enjoying the fact that insurers cannot meet their deductibles, that Arizona has a 116% percent increase in premiums. It tickles them shitless.

What part of Obamacare caused the premiums to increase in Arizona?

Ewe must have some idea

They went up everywhere, just the most in Arizona. It is why America is pissed off at the democrats!

Ewe did not prove cause and effect

Insurance has been going up for decades

 

[WillowTree]

The Republican leadership in Congress has lost all credibility in my opinion, and the Freedom caucus has convinced me that they are little more than infantile morons.

Trump deserves better support from Congressional leadership than he is getting, and if the Democrats were not so partisan they would see the golden opportunity that they have to correct the major flaws with Obamacare and get reform of it instead of repeal, thus securing Obama's legacy till this nation goes extinct.

Which flaws in Obamacare were Republicans going to correct?
Cut the tax on the wealthy?
End Medicaid expansion?
Increase rates on women and older Americans?

Dems were never going to agree to that

Nope! The Dems would never agree to that! They are enjoying the fact that insurers cannot meet their deductibles, that Arizona has a 116% percent increase in premiums. It tickles them shitless.

What part of Obamacare caused the premiums to increase in Arizona?

Ewe must have some idea

They went up everywhere, just the most in Arizona. It is why America is pissed off at the democrats!

Ewe did not prove cause and effect

Insurance has been going up for decades

Get some new lines! Does not 116% strike ewe as a bit much?

 

[PredFan]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

Depends. They did have a plan. Was it totally fleshed out at that point? No. But they did not keep its main points secret.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".
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Not all conservatives were on board with that, and they still aren't, as we just saw. Many conservatives just like myself, want 0bamacare repealed and not replaced. So, though that's what YOU fixated on, not all conservatives agreed.

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.
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They didn't laugh at you when you asked. They had a plan, they didn't have it fleshed out because for 7 years they knew that they would not get 0bamacare repealed. What they had was an outline of a plan, and that was all they needed at the time.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.
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Like I said, they had a plan and they weren't hiding it. They didn't have it completely ready because, like everyone else in the establishment, they didn't expect Trump to win.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.
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Yes, they did, no they did not lie.

 

[rightwinger]

Which flaws in Obamacare were Republicans going to correct?
Cut the tax on the wealthy?
End Medicaid expansion?
Increase rates on women and older Americans?

Dems were never going to agree to that

Nope! The Dems would never agree to that! They are enjoying the fact that insurers cannot meet their deductibles, that Arizona has a 116% percent increase in premiums. It tickles them shitless.

What part of Obamacare caused the premiums to increase in Arizona?

Ewe must have some idea

They went up everywhere, just the most in Arizona. It is why America is pissed off at the democrats!

Ewe did not prove cause and effect

Insurance has been going up for decades

Get some new lines! Does not 116% strike ewe as a bit much?

Ewe still haven't identified what in Obamacare is causing the price of Doctors, Hospitals, Drugs to go up in Arizona

 

[Hutch Starskey]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?

they had a plan. It was called RomneyCare.

Then Obama stole it.

the real problem is that the GOP has so alienated the Democrats they can't work out compromises, and the 30 or so nuts in the Freedom Caucus can pretty much hold the rest of the House Majority hostage.

Yet fools like you think the D and R party's are radically opposed to each other...that they are polar opposites and your devoted love for the Ds, is warranted because the Rs are so EVIL.

I fear you and many like you will never understand that both party's are very much the same. That makes you a DUPE!

Dems pass a bill.
Republicans can't.

Yep. That's the same.

 

[WillowTree]

Nope! The Dems would never agree to that! They are enjoying the fact that insurers cannot meet their deductibles, that Arizona has a 116% percent increase in premiums. It tickles them shitless.

What part of Obamacare caused the premiums to increase in Arizona?

Ewe must have some idea

They went up everywhere, just the most in Arizona. It is why America is pissed off at the democrats!

Ewe did not prove cause and effect

Insurance has been going up for decades

Get some new lines! Does not 116% strike ewe as a bit much?

Ewe still haven't identified what in Obamacare is causing the price of Doctors, Hospitals, Drugs to go up in Arizona

See? How dumb ewe is? Obamacare was predicated on the premise that with a mandate the young healthy population would pay to treat the poor. When the young healthy population said fuck that shit and did not sign on the insurance companies lost millions. The premiums have risen to cover that cost. Obummer's legacy lights get dimmer by the day.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?

they had a plan. It was called RomneyCare.

Then Obama stole it.

the real problem is that the GOP has so alienated the Democrats they can't work out compromises, and the 30 or so nuts in the Freedom Caucus can pretty much hold the rest of the House Majority hostage.

Your history is a bit hazy.

Romney stole it from Hillary-Care.

You meant the Heritage Foundation.

 

[radical right]

They didn't laugh at you when you asked. They had a plan, they didn't have it fleshed out because for 7 years they knew that they would not get 0bamacare repealed. What they had was an outline of a plan, and that was all they needed at the time.

Like I said, they had a plan and they weren't hiding it. They didn't have it completely ready because, like everyone else in the establishment, they didn't expect Trump to win.
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Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.
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The republican ran fort 7 years, and lied for 7 years , and ran for 7 years on their lies. It's as simple as that.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

the ACA shored up Medicare and reduced the cos.9t to the govt for Medicare AND it filled the DONNUT HOLE for pharma the seniors were paying that the Republicans left in their Medicare Pill Bill.

The ACA helped and improved Medicare...Willowtree!

Incorrect!

You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. The Affordable Care Act, OBAMACARE, if you will, greatly improved the financial solvency of the Medicare Trust Fund, increased coverage for preventive services under Medicare, and scheduled the elimination of the infamous Bush doughnut hole.

I will give an example of each area. First, the solvency. The ACA included a .9% Medicare surcharge on investment income as well as a 3.7% surcharge on investment income for those making more than $250,000 a year. Repeal would have eliminated those taxes and decreased the funding of the Medicare Trust Fund.

Second, expanded coverage. The ACA introduced a welcome to Medicare wellness exam--a physical covered at 100% once someone aged in to Medicare. Mammograms are now covered yearly, it used to be once every two years.

Third, the doughnut hole. Prior to the ACA there was no prescription drug coverage when someone entered the doughnut hole. They were forced to pay the full negotiated price. The ACA requires drug manufacturers to cover almost half the cost of those prescriptions in the doughnut hole. The government is not paying for them. The insurance company is not paying for them. The drug companies AGREED to EAT HALF THE COSTS. To date, Medicare beneficiaries have saved

$23,500,000,000

That is BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Billions of dollars that were spent on something BESIDES PRESCRIPTION DRUGS by millions of seniors.

Incorrect. It is against the law for Medicare to negotiate drug prices!

Sounds like something the Repubs should have included in their bill.

 

[radical right]

Dems pass a bill.
Republicans can't.

Yep. That's the same.

Paul Ryan admitted on friday that the republicans for 10 years have been the opposition party, all they had to do was to say NO. They know how to obstruct, but now they have to govern, and governing is HARD. They have to get 216 people to agree, and they find that's a lot harder.

 

[Mac1958]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

Depends. They did have a plan. Was it totally fleshed out at that point? No. But they did not keep its main points secret.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".
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Not all conservatives were on board with that, and they still aren't, as we just saw. Many conservatives just like myself, want 0bamacare repealed and not replaced. So, though that's what YOU fixated on, not all conservatives agreed.

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.
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They didn't laugh at you when you asked. They had a plan, they didn't have it fleshed out because for 7 years they knew that they would not get 0bamacare repealed. What they had was an outline of a plan, and that was all they needed at the time.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.
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Like I said, they had a plan and they weren't hiding it. They didn't have it completely ready because, like everyone else in the establishment, they didn't expect Trump to win.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.
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Yes, they did, no they did not lie.

Okay then, I'll ask again: You said they had a plan three times in your post, what was it, outside of the vague examples I gave?

Did it have a name? Was it in book format so we could read how it all fit together, and understand what it would look like, what it would cost, who would be covered and how?

Eight freaking years. "We have a better plan". They did not, and they knew it. That's lying.
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[Hutch Starskey]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

Depends. They did have a plan. Was it totally fleshed out at that point? No. But they did not keep its main points secret.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".
.

Not all conservatives were on board with that, and they still aren't, as we just saw. Many conservatives just like myself, want 0bamacare repealed and not replaced. So, though that's what YOU fixated on, not all conservatives agreed.

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.
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They didn't laugh at you when you asked. They had a plan, they didn't have it fleshed out because for 7 years they knew that they would not get 0bamacare repealed. What they had was an outline of a plan, and that was all they needed at the time.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.
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Like I said, they had a plan and they weren't hiding it. They didn't have it completely ready because, like everyone else in the establishment, they didn't expect Trump to win.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.
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Yes, they did, no they did not lie.

Okay then, I'll ask again: You said they had a plan three times in your post, what was it, outside of the vague examples I gave?

Did it have a name? Was it in book format so we could read how it all fit together, and understand what it would look like?

Eight freaking years. "We have a better plan". They did not, and they knew it. That's lying.
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It's a simple question.
If they had a better plan, then why did they present the one they did?

Equally easy answer. They never had a better plan.

 

[Freewill]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?
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What exactly was it that was not voted on Friday? A plan to repeal and replace? That plan that only 60 days after the Republicans did have in place to be voted on?

Apparently they did have a plan, apparently they are not lying.

 

[Mac1958]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?
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What exactly was it that was not voted on Friday? A plan to repeal and replace? That plan that only 60 days after the Republicans did have in place to be voted on?

Apparently they did have a plan, apparently they are not lying.

The AHCA was the plan they've been promising for eight years?

Is that what you're saying?
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[Freewill]

The establishment loves ACA they are not going to let anyone mess with it. The rich get richer and the poor are bought off only the middle class takes a hit.

So as I have said from the beginning, ACA is going no where no matter how much it should or how much Trump is right about it being a POS. The establishment won't allow it. We now have a medical/industrial complex.

 

[Freewill]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?
.

What exactly was it that was not voted on Friday? A plan to repeal and replace? That plan that only 60 days after the Republicans did have in place to be voted on?

Apparently they did have a plan, apparently they are not lying.

The AHCA was the plan they've been promising for eight years?

Is that what you're saying?
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All I am saying is you implied there was never a plan, so what is the left crowing about not happening on Friday?

The establishment wins, you should be happy.

 

[Mac1958]

And it sure as hell was a lie.

For years the GOP has been telling us, "just elect us, we have the plan for health care, and we'll fix it if we just have the power to ".

When we asked to SEE the plan, they laughed and said there was one and we didn't need to see it. They tossed a few vague "examples" of it - "We'll let insurance companies sell across state lines", or "we'll do HSA plans", or "tort reform", but it sure did seem like they didn't have an actual plan.

Okay, maybe I was wrong, maybe they were being honest, maybe they had a plan and would unveil it the day after Trump's inauguration day.

Well, they sure didn't, did they? They've been lying all this time.

We're not supposed to take Trump literally, but seriously. How are we supposed to take the GOP now? Are we supposed to believe ANYTHING at this point?
.

What exactly was it that was not voted on Friday? A plan to repeal and replace? That plan that only 60 days after the Republicans did have in place to be voted on?

Apparently they did have a plan, apparently they are not lying.

The AHCA was the plan they've been promising for eight years?

Is that what you're saying?
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All I am saying is you implied there was never a plan, so what is the left crowing about not happening on Friday?

The establishment wins, you should be happy.

What didn't happen on Friday was that the GOP didn't vote on its "plan" to tweak the ACA.

This wasn't the repeal and replace that Trump & Co promised. They made a few changes to the existing ACA chassis, that's it.

And they couldn't even get THAT done. After all those campaign promises.
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[radical right]

Did it have a name? Was it in book format so we could read how it all fit together, and understand what it would look like, what it would cost, who would be covered and how?

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Nixon had a secret plan to end the vietnam war.
Trump had a secret plan to defeat ISIS.

Republicans always have plans they can't tell us about, but tht they guarantee will work. The problem is you have to pay the price of admission to find out what they are, and there re no refunds.

 

[radical right]

All I am saying is you implied there was never a plan, so what is the left crowing about not happening on Friday?.

Let's define a plan as something practical and organized. Not a wild-ass group of conflicting proposals, thrown together like last weeks leftovers.

 

[Mac1958]

Did it have a name? Was it in book format so we could read how it all fit together, and understand what it would look like, what it would cost, who would be covered and how?

Nixon had a secret plan to end the vietnam war. Trump had a secret plan to defeat ISIS. Republicans always have plans they can't tell us about, but tht they guarantee will work. The problem is you have to pay the price of admission to find out what they are, and there re no refunds.

Well, maybe they're keeping their secret plans secret from each other, too.
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