The political spectrum

[TruthNotBS]

We need to put this shit to bed.
The extreme left is tyranny, the extreme right is anarchy.

The political spectrum is not from one tyranny to another, it is from tyranny, to total freedom. The very definition of "spectrum" should tell you that.
A spectrum is the scale of 2 opposites. Not two similarities.
Please drop your middle school interpretation of left vs right.
Real liberals are not leftists. How could someone that believes in small govt and liberty be on the side of collectivism and big govt?
Most republicans are not righties. How can people that want to use the govt to shove their version of morality down peoples throats be righties? How can people that want to use the govt to control and bail out the private sector be righties?

Marx described communism as a stateless, classless society free from the need for currency. He characterized the earliest human societies as 'primitive communism,' where hunter-gatherer groups in the Paleolithic era operated on similar principles.

The Neolithic revolution, marked by the advent of agriculture, instigated a shift toward the mass cultivation of land. This period saw the rise of socioeconomic classes, organized religion, and various societal roles such as kings, nobles, priests, and merchants. A state apparatus emerged to safeguard property rights, implement contracts, organize labor, and undertake grand-scale projects like temple-building. This era also witnessed the development of written language, markets, and inter-city trade.

It’s vital to recognize that tyranny and authoritarianism are not exclusive to any one end of the political spectrum; they can manifest in varying forms across the continuum. A state, regardless of its positioning, inevitably exercises a degree of control. This control can either prioritize the interests of a wealthy minority, often to the detriment of the majority, or serve the interests of the populace at large. For example, contemporary America seems more akin to a plutocracy, driven by corporate interests.

The geopolitical tension escalating between major powers such as the US, Russia, and China stems from the pursuit of private profits and dominance. The arms industry’s influence on US policy, NATO’s expansion, and the vilification of Russia underscore this pursuit. Such endeavors, driven by capitalistic motives, can be as oppressive and destructive as far-left authoritarian regimes.

Fascism, often misconstrued as left-wing, is actually a right-wing ideology. It emerges as a countermeasure to prevent left-leaning uprisings by the working class. It suppresses the workers’ ability to form independent unions or strike, often employing state-sanctioned force. While it might concede to some demands of the working class as a pacifying strategy, it essentially serves the interests of the ruling elite, particularly in safeguarding capitalism during times of significant inequality and social unrest. Historical instances include Germany, Italy, and Spain. Thus, fascism is inherently right-wing as it seeks to uphold and defend capitalist structures.

 

[TNHarley]

Marx described communism as a stateless, classless society free from the need for currency. He characterized the earliest human societies as 'primitive communism,' where hunter-gatherer groups in the Paleolithic era operated on similar principles.

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The Neolithic revolution, marked by the advent of agriculture, instigated a shift toward the mass cultivation of land. This period saw the rise of socioeconomic classes, organized religion, and various societal roles such as kings, nobles, priests, and merchants. A state apparatus emerged to safeguard property rights, implement contracts, organize labor, and undertake grand-scale projects like temple-building. This era also witnessed the development of written language, markets, and inter-city trade.

It’s vital to recognize that tyranny and authoritarianism are not exclusive to any one end of the political spectrum; they can manifest in varying forms across the continuum. A state, regardless of its positioning, inevitably exercises a degree of control. This control can either prioritize the interests of a wealthy minority, often to the detriment of the majority, or serve the interests of the populace at large. For example, contemporary America seems more akin to a plutocracy, driven by corporate interests.

The geopolitical tension escalating between major powers such as the US, Russia, and China stems from the pursuit of private profits and dominance. The arms industry’s influence on US policy, NATO’s expansion, and the vilification of Russia underscore this pursuit. Such endeavors, driven by capitalistic motives, can be as oppressive and destructive as far-left authoritarian regimes.

Fascism, often misconstrued as left-wing, is actually a right-wing ideology. It emerges as a countermeasure to prevent left-leaning uprisings by the working class. It suppresses the workers’ ability to form independent unions or strike, often employing state-sanctioned force. While it might concede to some demands of the working class as a pacifying strategy, it essentially serves the interests of the ruling elite, particularly in safeguarding capitalism during times of significant inequality and social unrest. Historical instances include Germany, Italy, and Spain. Thus, fascism is inherently right-wing as it seeks to uphold and defend capitalist structures.

All that for another "nuh uh" post LOL

 

[TruthNotBS]

All that for another "nuh uh" post LOL

How is it "nuh uh"? Elaborate, enlighten me.

 

[Oddball]

Not really. There are lots of these gangs across the world. There's no difference between the mafia charging your business protection money and the government charging you taxes on your property and income, except governments have more firepower and mafias are more honest about their nature.

Anarchy -by its very definition- is absence of rulers....Being lorded over by oligarchs who make them exempt from the rules the rest of the peasants are to follow is the very essence of oligarchy.

 

[TNHarley]

How is it "nuh uh"? Elaborate, enlighten me.

You dont discredit what I said, just said the opposite in TLDR format.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You dont discredit what I said, just said the opposite in TLDR format.

How so? Explain. How is what I said, wrong? Be specific. What points did I make that are wrong? Why are they wrong?

 

[OldFlame]

Hot and cold exist, when someone says 'it is hot out" and it is only 85 do you tell them they are wrong and that it is not hot?

That was pretty lame.

We also have a scale, and even though in reality the weather doesn't reach every value on that scale, those temps still exist. And we say it's '85 degrees' cause we can look on that scale and pin point where the current time/place is at. Otherwise there would be no context in saying it's 'hot', hot compared to what?

 

[dblack]

How so? Explain. How is what I said, wrong? Be specific. What points did I make that are wrong? Why are they wrong?

 

[progressive hunter]

That's what you get in anarchy. Powerful groups form and impose their will on weaker groups. The government is simply the most powerful gang.

no its not,, thats what you get when you dont kill people that need killing,,

a true anarchist would never lie cheat or steal from another person,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Not really. There are lots of these gangs across the world. There's no difference between the mafia charging your business protection money and the government charging you taxes on your property and income, except governments have more firepower and mafias are more honest about their nature.

anarchist dont believe in authority over other people,,

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That was pretty lame.

We also have a scale, and even though in reality the weather doesn't reach every value on that scale, those temps still exist. And we say it's '85 degrees' cause we can look on that scale and pin point where the current time/place is at. Otherwise there would be no context in saying it's 'hot', hot compared to what?

But what you are doing when you say a group is not "right" is telling people it is not hot when it is 85, as if you get to decide what hot really is

 

[progressive hunter]

But what you are doing when you say a group is not "right" is telling people it is not hot when it is 85, as if you get to decide what hot really is

there you go playing word games again,,

 

[OldFlame]

But what you are doing when you say a group is not "right" is telling people it is not hot when it is 85, as if you get to decide what hot really is

I'm basing it off of a set scale, and where they are on that scale. Right now, neither main party in the US represents the right side of the scale in my opinion. They are both moving far, far away from individualism and freedom. 'Hot' is subjective, and depends on the context it's being used in.

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm basing it off of a set scale, and where they are on that scale. Right now, neither main party in the US represents the right side of the scale in my opinion. They are both moving far, far away from individualism and freedom. 'Hot' is subjective, and depends on the context it's being used in.

he knows that,, he just likes to play word games to show what a piece of shit he really is,,

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We need to put this shit to bed.
The extreme left is tyranny, the extreme right is anarchy.

The political spectrum is not from one tyranny to another, it is from tyranny, to total freedom. The very definition of "spectrum" should tell you that.
A spectrum is the scale of 2 opposites. Not two similarities.
Please drop your middle school interpretation of left vs right.
Real liberals are not leftists. How could someone that believes in small govt and liberty be on the side of collectivism and big govt?
Most republicans are not righties. How can people that want to use the govt to shove their version of morality down peoples throats be righties? How can people that want to use the govt to control and bail out the private sector be righties?

Don't forget: these are the same people who say that FDR 2 terms on 25% unemployment and surrendered Eastern Europe to Uncle Joe was "THE GREATEST EVER IN FOREVER!! GREATER THAN MUHAMMAD ALI!!"

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That is a great book......I have a copy on my Kindle......it should be taught in every school......

Pre-Positioned Roadblocks

Inherited wealth, power, and position plunder others' opportunities to make that on their own.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No......we have had depressions throughout our countries history......it was the democrats and Roosevelt that made the 1930s depression worse, and longer...

This Little Piggy Went to Market

Economics is a defective science that omits the overriding importance of developing the most productive human and natural resources. It glorifies the stagnant mud of inherited capital.

The 19th Century depressions were solved when more of those resources came on line through extending the frontier both horizontally and vertically (mining). The Boom continued until 1929 because of human inventions such as the automobile.

But in the middle 1920s, the supremacy was passed on to the inferior parasitic minds who invested in stock-market resources rather than human productivity. It was as if only sports gamblers made money, and the players were grossly underpaid. Being left out of the action, the players would quit and sports would be too boring to gamble on.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's an awesome summary of Bastiat thought.

Actually I did a college paper on Bastiat as well as other English and Fresh economists/philosophers such as Locke, Hobbes, Montesquiu, Rousseau and there were a couple of others that I can't recall at the moment. I was blessed with professors in economics and political science who really encouraged us to think critically about those concepts and understand how they influence the concept of the U.S. that became the greatest nation the world had ever known.

The thesis was how these great thinkers influenced our founders as well as their religious faith and the Bible and culminated in a Constitution that would accomplish the best of all and hopefully would resist the worst that governments inflict on the people.

So The Sage of Main Street, please give a rationale for why you rated this post as fake news? Were you in college with me? Do you have enlightenment in what papers I wrote or what my thesis was?

 

[2aguy]

Pre-Positioned Roadblocks

Inherited wealth, power, and position plunder others' opportunities to make that on their own.

And, of course, the fatal flaw in your beliefs.......in the very real sense since the things you believe always lead to mass murder and mass graves......is that you think inherited wealth and power is bad, and that that wealth needs to be confiscated so it can be used more effectively.................never understanding that those who would confiscate that wealth are envious and incompetent, and have no idea how to create the wealth in the first place, but only have the skill to take what others have created and squander it.....

You don't understand this, you don't get it..........leave people alone.....let people seek their own level.......but no, that isn't how leftists roll....

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

False.

Even those of us who dislike leftist political theory find you to be a bit of a twit when you say silly shit like that.

Same Actors, Different Costumes

You bossy blowhards are incapable of any kind of intelligent debate, so you fall back on playground name-calling and nonsensical defenses, as if what your flock believes is all that is needed to settle the matter.