The Reason for Poverty Among Blacks is Not Racism

[Ray From Cleveland]

The lesson continues...

"In 1965, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s report, The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, attributed racial inequality as well as poverty and crime in the black community to family structure, particularly the prevalence of families headed by single mothers. Not only did research at the time cast doubt on this causality, but evidence over the last the 50 years demonstrates that rates of child poverty, educational attainment, and crime do not track rates of single parenthood. Thus, even though the share of children living with a single mother rose for all racial and ethnic groups through the mid-1990s and has remained high since then, school completion and youth arrests for violent crimes have declined significantly, while poverty rates have fluctuated according to economic conditions. Family structure does not drive racial inequity, and racial inequity persists regardless of family structure."
-Amy Traub, Laura Sullivan, Tatjana Meschede and Thomas Shapiro, DEMOS, “The Asset Value of Whiteness: Understanding the Racial Wealth Gap.”

The median income for black households compared to non-Hispanic whites for the last 50 years show a history of earnings inequality. The numbers used were from the U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplements (CPS ASEC), Table H-5 Race and Hispanic Origin of Householder--Households by Median and Mean Income: 1967 to 2020. Again, this will reflect that the unwed mother and fatherless home are not the sole cause of economic hardship. It is caused by a problem most want to deny.

In 1972, the American household median income was $9,697 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $10,318 per year; for Black households, it was $5,938. Black household median income was 58 percent of white households. In 1974, the American household median income was $11,197 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $11,810 per year; for black households, $6,964. Black household median income was 59 percent of what whites made.

Twenty years after the Civil Rights Act was passed (1984), the American household median income was $22,415 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $24,138 per year; for Blacks, $13,471. Black household median income was 55.8 percent of non-Hispanic white households. In 2004, the annual American household median income was $44,334. The median yearly income for non-Hispanic white households was $48,910; for blacks it was $30,095. Black household median income was 61.5 percent of non-Hispanic whites.

In 2014, the annual American median income was $53,657 per year. The median yearly income for non-Hispanic White households was $60.256; for Black households, $35,398. Black household income was 58.7 percent of what Whites made. In 2020, the American household median income was $67,521 per year. The median income for non-Hispanic White households was $74.912; for Blacks households, $45,870. Black household median income was 61 percent of white households in 2020.

At no time from 1959 through 2020 have whites and blacks come close to having equal income.

This is not something blacks have done to ourselves. It's time you racists faced reality.

The only people responsible for their own income are the people themselves. If you dropped out of school and are worth a shit on the job, how is that anybody else's fault but your own?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It’s like when adults still blame their parents when they have problems. At some point, you’ve got to grow up and admit that you make your own choices.

I just spoke with a 60-year-old man who complained to me that his parents should have encouraged him to go to law school. Grow up!

It seems to be inherent among leftists. I guess that's why over 90% of blacks vote that way.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I am showing fact. You are not. Nothing you have posted was anything but your opinion or information that supports your opinion. I live with this shit white boy. You look at it from the outside and with your own personal racism. Nothing you say has anything to do with black poverty. You cite felony rates, but the criminal justice system has been shown to be racist by studies done by professionals in the field. So your citing that by itself shows how racism creates poverty for black people.

Oh, so now you're adding to your fairy tales, huh? Like our police just pick up blacks at random, charge them with a felony, and courts sentence them to prison. Do all blacks believe "denial" is a river in Egypt?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The worthless clown has a few idiotic lines he uses over and over again. It's obvious he's included in the "85" statistics.

Now he's earned his place on my Sambo List. He'll like that. It's probably the only thing he's actually earned in his entire life. Lol...

That's the key. If everybody would ignore trolls, they eventually get bored and go away. As long as you give these kids attention, they get what they came here for.

 

[Vegasgiants]

That's the key. If everybody would ignore trolls, they eventually get bored and go away. As long as you give these kids attention, they get what they came here for.

I know. I hate trolls

 

[IM2]

"Asians have it the worst because they are the ones who are getting the best grades and scores, and thus they have a target on their back as leftists figure out a way to exclude them from being admitted to prestigious programs. That’s what the SCOTUS case is all about: whether it is fair for Harvard to have designed a “personality test” with questions they could score blacks higher on and Asians lower, and then rejected Asians on the grounds they were unlikeable."

This affirmative action benefactor doesn't know what the hell she's talking about.

Let us look at the particulars in Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College.

In this case, the contention is that Asians are discriminated against based on the number of Asians turned down for Harvard admission. More than 30,000 students each year apply to Harvard. In 2019, there were 36,000 applicants for 1,600 slots.27 That meant 34,400 students of all races were not admitted. The claim is Asians get excluded to add black and Hispanic students. Ironically the claim is not made about Asians being passed over for white legacy students. Students for Fair Admissions claimed that Harvard violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.28 Title VI “prohibits discrimination based on race, color, and national origin in federal financial assistance programs and activities.”29 Here is where the claim gets sticky. But before we get to that, we need to understand what courts use as regulations guiding a decision in cases such as this.

It is time to look at Blum's claim. He claims Asians are discriminated against in admissions. Harvard admission numbers do not support his claim. Asians are 6 percent of the American population, but they were 25.9 percent of the students entering Harvard in 2021. That is a full ten percentage points more than African Americans (15.9%) and more than double the percentage of both Hispanics(12.5%) and Native Americans(11%). In fact, there were more Asians admitted into Harvard than Hispanics and Native Americans combined. Additionally, a study published by the National Bureau of Economic Research and reported on the NBC.com website on September 20, 2019, revealed this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Here, we see that whites are provided entry by a plethora of other preferences they would not qualify for if not for connections they have due to their race. The study shows that Asians are not adversely impacted because Harvard must admit blacks and Hispanics that are presumably unqualified. Instead, we see white ALDC students who would not qualify under any other circumstance who get accepted at more than double the percentage of Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans who meet the same criteria.

Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College, First Circuit Holds that Harvard’s Admissions Program Does Not Violate the Civil Rights Act., Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College

Admissions Statistics, A Brief Profile of the Admitted Class of 2025, Harvard welcomes students from across the country and all over, Admissions Statistics

Daniella Silva, Study on Harvard finds 43 percent of white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff, Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

Peter Arcidiacono, Josh Kinsler, Tyler Ransom, National Bureau Of Economic Research, Legacy And Athlete Preferences At Harvard, Working Paper 26316, Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think ARMs should be abolished. Ignorant and/or greedy homebuyers chop off more than they can chew, and then run into problems as interest rates rise.

I say that if you don’t qualify for a loan with a fixed rate, and that your loan-to-income ratio is so borderline that the only way you buy the house is with an ARM a percentage point less, you have no business closing on that loan.

IMHO.

That's actually what we did in this country. But blacks complained about discrimination much like they do here, so Bill Clinton had his HUD secretary (Andrew Cuomo) the youngest and most inexperienced of any other secretary, lower bank standards so blacks could qualify for home loans. They couldn't lower them for one race of people, they had to lower them for everybody, so they all jumped in on the bandwagon.

As we both know, this led to the housing bubble and bust. You didn't even need a credit check or down payment to buy a house. Walk into just about any bank and they handed you money. But the only possible way for them to have some security were ARM"s. If we go back to prime loans, blacks will complain once again about discrimination because they don't have the education to understand loan standards.

 

[BS Filter]

This looks like a job for Resume-Man!

You work on the assumption that those two things are mutually exclusive. When you get a job posting, you have hundreds of resumes that come in. There would be NO PROBLEM finding a person who both fulfills a diversity quota AND meets the bare minimum requirements of the job.

I've known ONE person who I believe was hired as an affirmative Action hire who wasn't qualified for her job, and frankly, her resume was pretty darned good. (in practice, she was kind of out of her depth).

On the other hand, I have seen jobs given to people who were relatives, friends or lovers of managers who were in no way, shape or form qualified for their positions. No way to fire them, you had to work around them.

Of course, assuming you are dealing with a legitimate job search, and not one where they've found an internal candidate and they are just going through the motions (Happens way too often), the only thing a resume proves is who hired the best resume writer. And, yes, a white person is more likely to be able to spend the $300.00 or so to hire a resume writer who knows how to beat the Applicant Tracking Software and make them eye-catching enough for the 30 seconds a real human might read them.

Now, we've already discussed surveys that have shown that in blind tests, resumes with identical qualifications, but were split between "White" and "Black" names, the white names get 50% more responses.

White privilege creeps into other sections, as well. White people are more likely to be able to buy nice suits for an interview, while a poorer person is going to buy something off the rack. They are more likely to have connections, as I've said.

So you assume a poor person is Black. Wow, how racist is that.

 

[Vegasgiants]

That's actually what we did in this country. But blacks complained about discrimination much like they do here, so Bill Clinton had his HUD secretary (Andrew Cuomo) the youngest and most inexperienced of any other secretary, lower bank standards so blacks could qualify for home loans. They couldn't lower them for one race of people, they had to lower them for everybody, so they all jumped in on the bandwagon.

As we both know, this led to the housing bubble and bust. You didn't even need a credit check or down payment to buy a house. Walk into just about any bank and they handed you money. But the only possible way for them to have some security were ARM"s. If we go back to prime loans, blacks will complain once again about discrimination because they don't have the education to understand loan standards.

That's not true

 

[Lisa558]

That's actually what we did in this country. But blacks complained about discrimination much like they do here, so Bill Clinton had his HUD secretary (Andrew Cuomo) the youngest and most inexperienced of any other secretary, lower bank standards so blacks could qualify for home loans. They couldn't lower them for one race of people, they had to lower them for everybody, so they all jumped in on the bandwagon.

As we both know, this led to the housing bubble and bust. You didn't even need a credit check or down payment to buy a house. Walk into just about any bank and they handed you money. But the only possible way for them to have some security were ARM"s. If we go back to prime loans, blacks will complain once again about discrimination because they don't have the education to understand loan

That's actually what we did in this country. But blacks complained about discrimination much like they do here, so Bill Clinton had his HUD secretary (Andrew Cuomo) the youngest and most inexperienced of any other secretary, lower bank standards so blacks could qualify for home loans. They couldn't lower them for one race of people, they had to lower them for everybody, so they all jumped in on the bandwagon.

As we both know, this led to the housing bubble and bust. You didn't even need a credit check or down payment to buy a house. Walk into just about any bank and they handed you money. But the only possible way for them to have some security were ARM"s. If we go back to prime loans, blacks will complain once again about discrimination because they don't have the education to understand loan standards.

Those were the days of “no doc” loans, also. You were on your honor to declare your income….no proof required.

This whole thing also shows the danger of letting “outcome” be the driver for decisions, rather than qualifications. Harris once said that that racism is not over until blacks have the same outcomes as whites. This of course feeds the myth that the only reason, or even the main reason, that the subgroup of blacks remain poor is due to racism rather than their own life choices.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Those were the days of “no doc” loans, also. You were on your honor to declare your income….no proof required.

This while thing also shows the danger of letting “outcome” be the driver for decisions, rather than qualifications. Harris once said that that racism is not over until blacks have the same outcomes as whites. This of course feeds the myth that the only reason, or even the main reason, that the subgroup of blacks remain poor is due to racism rather than their own life choices.

Why do they make bad lifestyle choices?

 

[IM2]

I wouldn't but how would you describe this behavior? You do understand what this table is showing, right?

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It shows you used faulty math to create a false claim.

 

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It shows you used faulty math to create a false claim.

Feel free to show your numbers.

 

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Why do they make bad lifestyle choices?

Did Lisa say lifestyle?

 

[Vegasgiants]

Did Lisa say lifestyle?

Many times

 

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Many times

Not in the post I read. You know... the one you were replying to.

 

[IM2]

The problem is white racism and racists trying to say it isn't is like the fox telling the chickens he doesn't like poultry. The bad choice continues to be made by whites who practice racism.

 

[Vegasgiants]

Not in the post I read. You know... the one you were replying to.

That's nice

 

[Lisa558]

Why do they make bad lifestyle choices?

Most of them don’t. Most are middle class. But as far as the ones that do, who knows? Maybe lack of judgment, poor motivation, no discipline, parents who didn’t instill good values, maybe not very bright, whatever. Same as poor whites who make bad decisions. But it sure isn’t due to racism.

 

[IM2]

Feel free to show your numbers.

The numbers show that whites commit more total crimes.