The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

[Polishprince]

Now I may not be very bright, but that sure as hell seems like Clinton and the DNC were conspiring and colluding with agents from two
foreign governments to take down the President of the United States. IS That Legal?

This is the real reason why the FISA warrant information hasn't been released already. The two countries are the UK and Australia, and this will be a sticky international wicket when supposed allies are undermining America

 

[joaquinmiller]

No need for more investigations. All we need is some common sense and honesty. Look at Pelosi. She's stressed to the hilt. She has a party in total chaos. She is trying to control the young turks, and they're not going to be led on a leash by an old has been. She's probably going to lose her job before the next election.

Yeah, sure. That's why the Ministry of Propaganda is spreading doctored videos trying to make her look bad.

You fellas do know extremely-stable genius is self-evident, not self-proclaimed, don't you?

 

[MACAULAY]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

The huge story is was their an attempted coup upon our government or not. Right now all of the evidence appears to be yes. So if Trump is not assassinated, we should see the culprits see justice.

If Trump remains alive and the whole thing fizzles away to oblivion with nothing happening, I’m not sure what the answer is.

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

While I respect the O.P.'s consistent attempts to look at things from an objective point, I believe he fails most of the time because he is in fact a liberal Democrat at heart---not one of these new types who are absolutely bat shit crazy---but very liberal nonetheless, say what he might.

Above, he says the evidence so far has been supplied by one very partisan side. This reminds me of a comment by Plutarch, who wrote during the time of Christ, who said History was so hard to write because the people who actually witnessed it happening did not agree on the fact, or if they did, they did not agree on the effect, value or meaning. They saw them based on their partisan predilections.

But, it is not one side's "Evidence". We are dealing with only one side reporting the FACTS.

It is a fact that two high ranking FBI agents deeply involved in both the Clinton and Trump Investigations had this basic conversation:

Lisa Page: "O God, Trump is not going to be President is he. Tell me he is not."

Peter Strzok: "No, no, he won't. We will stop it."

That in and of itself is a scandal bigger than Watergate to many, and it is dismissed as Lover's talk by partisans on the opposite side, partisans like the O.P.---but it is FACT, it happened during the 2016 election campaign and during investigations in which Peter Strzok was a key man---and it is not tainted evidence just because only FOX News will talk about it..

There are plenty more FACTS that are only being reported by one side because the New York Media is essentially an extension of the Democratic/Socialist Party----but they are facts nonetheless---not just the "evidence of one side".

These FACTS are never refuted---they can't be; they are merely ignored or dodged---which would tell the O.P. something if he was not actually just another blind partisan..

Obama is not likely to go down. Deals will be made way before that, because America has a treasured tradition against such a thing, so as not to look like a Banana Republic by putting its ex-officers in jail. Its why Ford pardoned Nixon.

But it is a FACT that Comey, in his official capacity as Director of the FBI, met with the President of the USA, then wrote a Memo of the meeting in his official capacity---which became the property of the people of this country---which he then stole and leaked to the New York Times to serve his own personal partisan purposes.

FACTS are not less FACTS just because you hypocrites are watching Rachael Maddow and getting Bullshit.

As I've pointed out elsewhere in this thread, Maddow's constant, breathless "blockbusters" turned out to be not much.

I get to be honest and wait for corroborated facts. All I see from the ends of the spectrum is manic silliness.

I look forward to seeing these "facts" proven and corroborated. Do you?
.

________

I quoted your dumbass "proven facts" about Strzok and Comey.

 

[Polishprince]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

The huge story is was their an attempted coup upon our government or not. Right now all of the evidence appears to be yes. So if Trump is not assassinated, we should see the culprits see justice.

If Trump remains alive and the whole thing fizzles away to oblivion with nothing happening, I’m not sure what the answer is.

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

While I respect the O.P.'s consistent attempts to look at things from an objective point, I believe he fails most of the time because he is in fact a liberal Democrat at heart---not one of these new types who are absolutely bat shit crazy---but very liberal nonetheless, say what he might.

Above, he says the evidence so far has been supplied by one very partisan side. This reminds me of a comment by Plutarch, who wrote during the time of Christ, who said History was so hard to write because the people who actually witnessed it happening did not agree on the fact, or if they did, they did not agree on the effect, value or meaning. They saw them based on their partisan predilections.

But, it is not one side's "Evidence". We are dealing with only one side reporting the FACTS.

It is a fact that two high ranking FBI agents deeply involved in both the Clinton and Trump Investigations had this basic conversation:

Lisa Page: "O God, Trump is not going to be President is he. Tell me he is not."

Peter Strzok: "No, no, he won't. We will stop it."

That in and of itself is a scandal bigger than Watergate to many, and it is dismissed as Lover's talk by partisans on the opposite side, partisans like the O.P.---but it is FACT, it happened during the 2016 election campaign and during investigations in which Peter Strzok was a key man---and it is not tainted evidence just because only FOX News will talk about it..

There are plenty more FACTS that are only being reported by one side because the New York Media is essentially an extension of the Democratic/Socialist Party----but they are facts nonetheless---not just the "evidence of one side".

These FACTS are never refuted---they can't be; they are merely ignored or dodged---which would tell the O.P. something if he was not actually just another blind partisan..

Obama is not likely to go down. Deals will be made way before that, because America has a treasured tradition against such a thing, so as not to look like a Banana Republic by putting its ex-officers in jail. Its why Ford pardoned Nixon.

But it is a FACT that Comey, in his official capacity as Director of the FBI, met with the President of the USA, then wrote a Memo of the meeting in his official capacity---which became the property of the people of this country---which he then stole and leaked to the New York Times to serve his own personal partisan purposes.

FACTS are not less FACTS just because you hypocrites are watching Rachael Maddow and getting Bullshit.

As I've pointed out elsewhere in this thread, Maddow's constant, breathless "blockbusters" turned out to be not much.

I get to be honest and wait for corroborated facts. All I see from the ends of the spectrum is manic silliness.

I look forward to seeing these "facts" proven and corroborated. Do you?
.

________

I quoted your dumbass "proven facts" about Strzok and Comey.

Strzok and Comey were fired in disgrace. Trump was right to get rid of them.

 

[BS Filter]

Rachel Maddow is the enemy of the people.

If this stuff is proven to be fantasy, so are Hannity and Levin.

Considering everything is based on sworn congressional testimony and peoples actions, it would be hard to prove it a fantasy. The only question is was it due to nefarious intent or was it justified. Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified. McCabe told congress, without the dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Steele told a British court that the dossier was raw intelligence and was unverified. This isn't rocket science.

.

"Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified."

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, ya lyin' pos, Comey never said the dossier was "salacious and unverified." He said, "some personally sensitive aspects," of it were. Which we came to learn he was talking about the portion of the dossier claiming trump paid prostitutes to perform a golden shower.

So you don't pay attention AND you lie. That makes you a typical conservative.

Do you believe Trump paid hookers to perform a golden shower on the bed Obama slept on?

 

[Faun]

Rachel Maddow is the enemy of the people.

If this stuff is proven to be fantasy, so are Hannity and Levin.

Considering everything is based on sworn congressional testimony and peoples actions, it would be hard to prove it a fantasy. The only question is was it due to nefarious intent or was it justified. Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified. McCabe told congress, without the dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Steele told a British court that the dossier was raw intelligence and was unverified. This isn't rocket science.

.

"Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified."

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, ya lyin' pos, Comey never said the dossier was "salacious and unverified." He said, "some personally sensitive aspects," of it were. Which we came to learn he was talking about the portion of the dossier claiming trump paid prostitutes to perform a golden shower.

So you don't pay attention AND you lie. That makes you a typical conservative.

Do you believe Trump paid hookers to perform a golden shower on the bed Obama slept on?

No.

 

[BluesLegend]

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President.

Now you understand why the lawless DC establishment needs to be held accountable, they are out of control.

 

[BS Filter]

Rachel Maddow is the enemy of the people.

If this stuff is proven to be fantasy, so are Hannity and Levin.

Considering everything is based on sworn congressional testimony and peoples actions, it would be hard to prove it a fantasy. The only question is was it due to nefarious intent or was it justified. Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified. McCabe told congress, without the dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Steele told a British court that the dossier was raw intelligence and was unverified. This isn't rocket science.

.

"Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified."

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, ya lyin' pos, Comey never said the dossier was "salacious and unverified." He said, "some personally sensitive aspects," of it were. Which we came to learn he was talking about the portion of the dossier claiming trump paid prostitutes to perform a golden shower.

So you don't pay attention AND you lie. That makes you a typical conservative.

Do you believe Trump paid hookers to perform a golden shower on the bed Obama slept on?

No.

So where did that nasty crap come from?

 

[Mac1958]

Do you realize that the "information" presented by the party press is, shall we say, less than reliable?

Sure, on both ends. That's why I always try to wait for clear, independent proof and corroboration.
.

The proof is overwhelming, and you have been presented it hundreds of times on hundreds of occasions.

An example: Did Mark Levin fabricate the text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page? Why did it take the DOD using analysts to drill into FBI servers to get those? Isn't the coverup by the FBI a crime?

You're not waiting for anything - you are just being a partisan, that which you accuse others of. The facts are known. Now the media will not be able to bury them.

Okie dokie!
.

 

[Mac1958]

Whether the right is right or whether the left is right, we the people have been cheated. This kind of nonstop bullshit is exactly why I live way out on the way to nowhere. Its exactly why I have my own power, water and the means to feed myself.

Given the way this country is in the process of completely losing its shit, I don't really blame you.

Gee, almost like we are in a civil war, huh Mac?

Damn near.
.

You mocked me two weeks ago for pointing out this fact.

That's because being in this condition is a CHOICE that WINGERS are making.

The rest of us, the majority, would rather see the wingers find another hobby.
.

 

[gipper]

There is no doubt the Deep State exists. It has been in place for decades. However I would question just about anything promoted by Hannity and Levin. Partisans of either party can’t be trusted.

There is no doubt you're full of shit. There is no Deep State. That's a lie Putin tells Trump and you believe it.

It wasn't that long ago that the deep state was understood by the left. Then, along comes Trump, who hi jacks the concept and the cognitive ability of Democrats and the left's concept is effectively neutralized. It is scary how easily persuaded the American populace is.

The Deep State Hiding in Plain Sight | Season 3 Episode 8 | Moyers & Company

So right.

The left once knew and feared the Deep State. They also were very much anti-war, knowing full well the dangers the Deep State caused for world peace. All this has been abandoned, because the MSM tells the rank and file Left to abandon it.

Sadly, many on the Left are lemmings.

 

[easyt65]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

Snowflakes refused to accept the 2016 election results.

Snowflakes refused to accept the results of 3 investigations that proved no crime.

Snowflakes refused to believe Mueller's final report that rested in zero indictments or convictions for collusion or obstruction tion

Snowflakes refused to accept FBI Director Comey's deflation that Hillary broke laws...

Snowflakes refused to accept Comey's testimony that Hillary lied to Congress.

Snowflakes refused to accept Ohr's testimony that Rosenstein, Clapper, Brennan, and Comey lied under oath and committed fisa Court abuses.

Snowflakes refused to accept the evidence of the exposed failed Obama administration coup attempt.

Snowflakes did not have any problem with Nancy Pelosi and Nadler demanding us AG break the law and had no problem when they held him in contempt of court for refusing to break the law.

And now snowflakes are having a cow because of the ongoing us IG and USAG investigations of the investigators... who are panicking and throwing each under the bus as they begin to point fingers...

The Deep state has already been exposed... and still the snowflakes are saying, "The right had better be right about its existence."

If snowflakes would have dropped the partisanship and the irrational hatred for Trump just because he defeated Hillary that would have noticed the obvious by now.

 

[BS Filter]

There is no doubt the Deep State exists. It has been in place for decades. However I would question just about anything promoted by Hannity and Levin. Partisans of either party can’t be trusted.

There is no doubt you're full of shit. There is no Deep State. That's a lie Putin tells Trump and you believe it.

It wasn't that long ago that the deep state was understood by the left. Then, along comes Trump, who hi jacks the concept and the cognitive ability of Democrats and the left's concept is effectively neutralized. It is scary how easily persuaded the American populace is.

The Deep State Hiding in Plain Sight | Season 3 Episode 8 | Moyers & Company

So right.

The left once knew and feared the Deep State. They also were very much anti-war, knowing full well the dangers the Deep State caused for world peace. All this has been abandoned, because the MSM tells the rank and file Left to abandon it.

Sadly, many on the Left are lemmings.

Correct. When Pelosi gets in front of a camera and says Trump is guilty of obstruction, the lemmings nod in agreement. Hillary gets in front of a camera and says she did everything right, yet the Presidency was stolen from her, the lemmings nod in agreement. When Obungo gets in front of a camera and says his healthcare plan will save people money that already have insurance, they nod in agreement, and get indignant if someone disagrees, then call the dissident a "racist". They're indoctrinated pawns.

 

[easyt65]

When the US IG's report comes out and exposes the FISA Court abuses...

...are the Democrats and snowflakes going to engage in the same denial of reality / Facts they have for the last years now?

 

[easyt65]

When the US AG and the DOJ confirm the crimes the Democrats / traitors engaged in...

...are the Democrats and snowflakes going to accept it or continue to engage in the same denial of reality / Facts they have for the last 3 years now?

 

[Polishprince]

When the US IG's report comes out and exposes the FISA Court abuses...

...are the Democrats and snowflakes going to engage in the same denial of reality / Facts they have for the last years now?

Does President Trump know when the IG report is due to come out? Are Mr. Trump and Mr. Horowitz coordinating their revelations?

 

[easyt65]

Everyone on the planet knows the US IG report is coming out soon.

Besides Declassifying information, Trump is sitting back waiting for it like the rest of us.

You obviously meant the US AG, who is running 4 desperate investigations of the treasonous Dems.

 

[Faun]

If this stuff is proven to be fantasy, so are Hannity and Levin.

Considering everything is based on sworn congressional testimony and peoples actions, it would be hard to prove it a fantasy. The only question is was it due to nefarious intent or was it justified. Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified. McCabe told congress, without the dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Steele told a British court that the dossier was raw intelligence and was unverified. This isn't rocket science.

.

"Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified."

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, ya lyin' pos, Comey never said the dossier was "salacious and unverified." He said, "some personally sensitive aspects," of it were. Which we came to learn he was talking about the portion of the dossier claiming trump paid prostitutes to perform a golden shower.

So you don't pay attention AND you lie. That makes you a typical conservative.

Do you believe Trump paid hookers to perform a golden shower on the bed Obama slept on?

No.

So where did that nasty crap come from?

Don't know.

 

[sartre play]

There is no deep state unless you are talking about both party's leaders doing what ever they think is needed to gain or retain power, keep there job, line there pockets.

 

[Rambunctious]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

At this point one would have to be willfully blind to not see what the Obama national security team tried to do...and is still trying to do....and one would have to be ignorant to not see that Obama was the ring leader in the deep state circus....they tried to take out an elected president....that's like China or the old Soviet Union shit...people need to go to prison or it will happen again....