The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

[Faun]

Fucking moron, the government did not spy on the trump campaign.

Sure they did they just use the word “investigated”. You’re one naive motherfucker.

Great, let's see your evidence that they wiretapped trump's campaign...

https://www.amazon.com/Russia-Hoax-Illicit-Hillary-Clinton/dp/0062872745&tag=ff0d01-20

The Obama DOJ applied for FISA warrants 4 times using the "Steele Dossier", and were granted.
A FISA warrant is used for what purpose?

Nevermind the fact that Trump’s phone conversations were being leaked to the press.

No, nobody spied on Trump.

To eavesdrop on folks who were not in the trump campaign.

Next...

Liar.

Great, name someone being wiretapped in the trump campaign....

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You're certainly free to obediently swallow what you're instructed to swallow.

Me, I don't believe anything that wingers on either end claim, until it is corroborated and verified to my satisfaction.

But if being a sheep is the best you can do, it's the best you can do.
.

Right......a combo plate of projection and virtue-signalling from a leftist dork pretending to be "middle of the road".....hilarious!

He hold leftist's feet to the fire all the time. They call him a right winger. Heck, there is even one particularly nasty piece of leftist filth that refers to him in his siggy.

Maybe when you have been around a little longer, you will start to figure out who is who around here.

 

[The Original Tree]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

Prove we are wrong. All the evidence points to the fact there was a COUP against The President and an effort to affect and interfere in our elections by our own State Actors loyal not to our own Country, but to Obama & Clinton, using Russian Propaganda, and then a cover up afterwards.

I'm not trying to "prove you wrong". We'll see how it goes.
.

That's like saying, "We have no proof of Russian Collusion with Donald Trump" ...but let's launch an investigation anyways in to every aspect of his life, and ......... SEE HOW IT GOES.

Congratulations....you just created the most vetted president in US History.

And it only cost you 4 different Investigations, one costing $30 Million alone, taking 2 years, issued 2,500 subpoenas, 2 Swat Style Military Raids on two Senior Citizens who were already cooperating with Herr Mueller, and 100s of violations of people's Civil Rights, tied up 28 Lawyers, 40 FBI Agents, conducted 500 interviews, millions of documents were either confiscated or turned over, and tied up our Government for 3 straight Years, and resulted in 400 pages of toilet paper I can wipe my ass with.

Yah, "LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES"!

 

[Mac1958]

You're certainly free to obediently swallow what you're instructed to swallow.

Me, I don't believe anything that wingers on either end claim, until it is corroborated and verified to my satisfaction.

But if being a sheep is the best you can do, it's the best you can do.
.

Right......a combo plate of projection and virtue-signalling from a leftist dork pretending to be "middle of the road".....hilarious!

He hold leftist's feet to the fire all the time. They call him a right winger. Heck, there is even one particularly nasty piece of leftist filth that refers to him in his siggy.

Maybe when you have been around a little longer, you will start to figure out who is who around here.

Lots of binary thinkers here.

If you're not this, then you can only be that.

We're in trouble.
.

 

[The Original Tree]

Sure they did they just use the word “investigated”. You’re one naive motherfucker.

Great, let's see your evidence that they wiretapped trump's campaign...

https://www.amazon.com/Russia-Hoax-Illicit-Hillary-Clinton/dp/0062872745&tag=ff0d01-20

The Obama DOJ applied for FISA warrants 4 times using the "Steele Dossier", and were granted.
A FISA warrant is used for what purpose?

Nevermind the fact that Trump’s phone conversations were being leaked to the press.

No, nobody spied on Trump.

To eavesdrop on folks who were not in the trump campaign.

Next...

Liar.

Great, name someone being wiretapped in the trump campaign....

Every

One

 

[SAYIT]

"...this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime..."

Regarding that specific line, I would ask him the following:

"Does that mean the report has specifically concluded that the President did not commit a crime, or that the report is not concluding anything one way or the other?"

That seems like the glaring question, and it seems like a reasonable question.
.

A leading question, counselor, and as much as I too would enjoy the answer, the message in his report seems unambiguous to me. I mean, does the President did not commit a crime in any way seem ... uh ... misleading?

 

[Faun]

Great, let's see your evidence that they wiretapped trump's campaign...

https://www.amazon.com/Russia-Hoax-Illicit-Hillary-Clinton/dp/0062872745&tag=ff0d01-20

The Obama DOJ applied for FISA warrants 4 times using the "Steele Dossier", and were granted.
A FISA warrant is used for what purpose?

Nevermind the fact that Trump’s phone conversations were being leaked to the press.

No, nobody spied on Trump.

To eavesdrop on folks who were not in the trump campaign.

Next...

Liar.

Great, name someone being wiretapped in the trump campaign....

Every

One

Thanks for demonstrating you can't name any.

 

[The Original Tree]

https://www.amazon.com/Russia-Hoax-Illicit-Hillary-Clinton/dp/0062872745&tag=ff0d01-20

The Obama DOJ applied for FISA warrants 4 times using the "Steele Dossier", and were granted.
A FISA warrant is used for what purpose?

Nevermind the fact that Trump’s phone conversations were being leaked to the press.

No, nobody spied on Trump.

To eavesdrop on folks who were not in the trump campaign.

Next...

Liar.

Great, name someone being wiretapped in the trump campaign....

Every

One

Thanks for demonstrating you can't name any.

Anyone with the last name of

T
R
U
M
P

and everyone associated with The Campaign.

Even the FBI admits they were spying on the campaign.

Thanks for proving you are still a Russian Pawn, and still a Dummy who's "With Her"

 

[SAYIT]

Why would he not give us the full story? He released the full Mueller report. why would you assume that he is as corrupt as Lynch, Holder, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Clapper, et. al?

I don't know. If Eric Holder or Loretta Lynch issued a report that exonerated Obama on something, would you believe it out of hand?

I doubt it.

My point is that, if it's political, it can simply not be believed right now. This is evidently what we want.
.

yeah, no report on fast and furious and no report on hitlery. how convenient eh?

But we have one for trump and it says nothing. So the AG wants to know, since there was nothing, why the investigation got started if there wasn't anything connecting dots. And the left have gone fking bonkers. I love the bias left, they always disrespect justice.

The report gave us alot of value, unconvered crimes. 448 pages arent required to just say "no collusion. no obstruction". Now we know:
* Trump can be guilty of obstruction even if there was no underlying crime
* Trump pressured witnesses not to cooperate with the investigation
* Trump asked senior officials to lie or mislead the public
* Trump tried to fire the special counsel
* Trump’s attempts to thwart the investigation were unsuccessful — because his aides didn’t follow through

How much more could we know from the redacted portions, or if Mueller were to testify.

Would you ask him why he included the following in his report:

"...this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime..."

We do not prosecute nor should congress persecute any American who has not committed a crime. Agreed?

Because Mueller was following the OLC opinion. Mueller leaves it to congress and other jurisdictions with currently on-going investigations.

So to you Mueller's statement seems confusing or just not something you can accept?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You're certainly free to obediently swallow what you're instructed to swallow.

Me, I don't believe anything that wingers on either end claim, until it is corroborated and verified to my satisfaction.

But if being a sheep is the best you can do, it's the best you can do.
.

Right......a combo plate of projection and virtue-signalling from a leftist dork pretending to be "middle of the road".....hilarious!

He hold leftist's feet to the fire all the time. They call him a right winger. Heck, there is even one particularly nasty piece of leftist filth that refers to him in his siggy.

Maybe when you have been around a little longer, you will start to figure out who is who around here.

Lots of binary thinkers here.

If you're not this, then you can only be that.

We're in trouble.
.

Yep -- it happens to me, too.

When I criticize both sides of the aisle, it's usually the stupid fundy leftists who accuse me of being a right winger, but I do get the occasional right winger accusing me of being a leftist.

 

[Mac1958]

"...this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime..."

Regarding that specific line, I would ask him the following:

"Does that mean the report has specifically concluded that the President did not commit a crime, or that the report is not concluding anything one way or the other?"

That seems like the glaring question, and it seems like a reasonable question.
.

A leading question, counselor, and as much as I too would enjoy the answer, the message in his report seems unambiguous to me. I mean, does the President did not commit a crime in any way seem ... uh ... misleading?

Well, that would be my question. It's a clear distinction, and I can't tell by his statement.
.

 

[MarcATL]

Yes, we're right.

It happened

It will be exposed

Any day now...

 

[The Original Tree]

Yes, we're right.

It happened

It will be exposed

Any day now...

Looks like Bill Clinton waiting for Hillary Clinton to come home as President so he can be First Lady.

 

[Mac1958]

You're certainly free to obediently swallow what you're instructed to swallow.

Me, I don't believe anything that wingers on either end claim, until it is corroborated and verified to my satisfaction.

But if being a sheep is the best you can do, it's the best you can do.
.

Right......a combo plate of projection and virtue-signalling from a leftist dork pretending to be "middle of the road".....hilarious!

He hold leftist's feet to the fire all the time. They call him a right winger. Heck, there is even one particularly nasty piece of leftist filth that refers to him in his siggy.

Maybe when you have been around a little longer, you will start to figure out who is who around here.

Lots of binary thinkers here.

If you're not this, then you can only be that.

We're in trouble.
.

Yep -- it happens to me, too.

When I criticize both sides of the aisle, it's usually the stupid fundy leftists who accuse me of being a right winger, but I do get the occasional right winger accusing me of being a leftist.

That's the game: Avoid the point, put your target on the defensive, change the subject.
.

 

[The Original Tree]

You're certainly free to obediently swallow what you're instructed to swallow.

Me, I don't believe anything that wingers on either end claim, until it is corroborated and verified to my satisfaction.

But if being a sheep is the best you can do, it's the best you can do.
.

Right......a combo plate of projection and virtue-signalling from a leftist dork pretending to be "middle of the road".....hilarious!

He hold leftist's feet to the fire all the time. They call him a right winger. Heck, there is even one particularly nasty piece of leftist filth that refers to him in his siggy.

Maybe when you have been around a little longer, you will start to figure out who is who around here.

Lots of binary thinkers here.

If you're not this, then you can only be that.

We're in trouble.
.

Yep -- it happens to me, too.

When I criticize both sides of the aisle, it's usually the stupid fundy leftists who accuse me of being a right winger, but I do get the occasional right winger accusing me of being a leftist.

That's the game: Avoid the point, put your target on the defensive, change the subject.
.

That sounds very Racist to me.
Are you a racist?

 

[Mac1958]

Right......a combo plate of projection and virtue-signalling from a leftist dork pretending to be "middle of the road".....hilarious!

He hold leftist's feet to the fire all the time. They call him a right winger. Heck, there is even one particularly nasty piece of leftist filth that refers to him in his siggy.

Maybe when you have been around a little longer, you will start to figure out who is who around here.

Lots of binary thinkers here.

If you're not this, then you can only be that.

We're in trouble.
.

Yep -- it happens to me, too.

When I criticize both sides of the aisle, it's usually the stupid fundy leftists who accuse me of being a right winger, but I do get the occasional right winger accusing me of being a leftist.

That's the game: Avoid the point, put your target on the defensive, change the subject.
.

That sounds very Racist to me.
Are you a racist?

Perfect example of my point, thanks.
.

 

[hunarcy]

And with that silliness you once again careen offs the rails. Trump has done nothing "to silence the independent media" - unless one is loony enough to consider self- defense an attempt to silence others - and he has indicted NO ONE.

It's clear your seething hatred for the POTUS trumps your rationality.

Julian Assange is under indictment right now. For disseminating factual information.

As I understand it, he's under indictment for his efforts to OBTAIN the information, not disseminating it.

WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Charged in 18-Count Superseding Indictment

from your link;

"the superseding indictment charges that Assange then published on WikiLeaks classified documents that contained the unredacted names of human sources who provided information to United States forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to U.S. State Department diplomats around the world."

Yep, but the main charge is based on espionage, not publishing stolen information. That just is part of showing he illegally obtained the information.

He does the same thing the New York Times does.

You people are dangerous. You learned nothing after 9/11.

Geez, you don't get it. It's ILLEGAL to break into databases and publish that which you illegally obtained. When you can show me that the New York Times breaks into government databases and then publishes what was illegally obtained, you'll have a point. Until then, you're wasting time with your silly outrage.

 

[hunarcy]

As I understand it, he's under indictment for his efforts to OBTAIN the information, not disseminating it.

WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Charged in 18-Count Superseding Indictment

If that is the case, how is he any different than Rachel Madcow who paid to have Trump's taxes stolen - Oops I mean, who ended up with Trump's taxes magically in her hands?

Equal justice under the law would be such a massive change for this country.

IF she paid to have Trump's taxes stolen, then there's not much difference. Perhaps you can provide evidence she was involved in obtaining the taxes illegally?

 

[jc456]

Part of that process will be deciding if Barr is giving the American people the full story.

But yes, that will be up to the individual.
.

Oh? and Barr is going to "lie" to the American people to protect a man he barely knows? Nah, you're not a leftist toad.....you just play one on USMB.

You're certainly free to obediently swallow what you're instructed to swallow.

Me, I don't believe anything that wingers on either end claim, until it is corroborated and verified to my satisfaction.

But if being a sheep is the best you can do, it's the best you can do.
.

so curious, do you believe the dossier was verified?

Not that I'm aware of.
.

so if it isn't verified, how was it used to get a FISA Warrant? See, that is the issue that needs investigating. It isn't a right or left thing, it is an american thing, the government should not be allowed to spy on citizens without proper documentation. That's all Barr's doing. right? Why would any american be opposed to that?

 

[Truth1253]

You're certainly free to obediently swallow what you're instructed to swallow.

Me, I don't believe anything that wingers on either end claim, until it is corroborated and verified to my satisfaction.

But if being a sheep is the best you can do, it's the best you can do.
.

Right......a combo plate of projection and virtue-signalling from a leftist dork pretending to be "middle of the road".....hilarious!

He hold leftist's feet to the fire all the time. They call him a right winger. Heck, there is even one particularly nasty piece of leftist filth that refers to him in his siggy.

Maybe when you have been around a little longer, you will start to figure out who is who around here.

Lots of binary thinkers here.

If you're not this, then you can only be that.

We're in trouble.
.

Yep -- it happens to me, too.

When I criticize both sides of the aisle, it's usually the stupid fundy leftists who accuse me of being a right winger, but I do get the occasional right winger accusing me of being a leftist.

Which way do you lean mostly? Just curious