The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

[Hutch Starskey]

Because Obama didn't bug Republicans in trump tower.

You're evading the fact that the FBI conducted espionage on the Trump campaign by using an anal retentive definition of "wiretap." No one is fooled.

You're evading the fact that the FBI conducted espionage on the Trump campaign by using an anal retentive definition of "wiretap." No one is fooled

The fact is court ordered surveillance was conducted on a subject that was no longer a member of the campaign, dope.

spying on a citizen. terrible and not what you should want from your government. just saying, the dossier was never verified, therefore, any warrant was illegally gotten.

Court ordered surveillance. Properly adjudicated.
Obviously then the warrant was not " illegally gotten".

it is when the application is perjured.

LOL...
You don't know what is in that application, dope.

 

[Faun]

LOL....that's easy.
Because that shit isn't real.

Don't you ever question why your conspiracy is forced to expand every time you hit a brick wall?

You believe that warrant proves something. What?
What information was gleaned from it and how has it been used agaist Trump?

You keep harping on "spying" but have yet to show how anyone was harmed by it.

There is no Conspiracy when we have facts.

The American People were harmed by it, because it prevented our representative as president and his cabinet from conducting official business.

Furthermore it caused distress to The American Public, and the wailing and gnashing of teeth of The LibTard Left when they found out, Santa Clause wasn't real and wasn't going to be placing a Impeach 45 Present under the tree to save them from the 2020 landslide victory of Donald J. Trump.

Super Majority Bitches!

Get used to hearing that, A LOT!

Go Drink some more Russian Collusion Drunky McDrunkTard.

There was no spying, dope.

It's the suggestion of spying that is harming the country.

what do you call it when someone spies on someone without their knowledge wiretapping phones? didn't nixon do that?

Court ordered surveillance, dope.

it wasn't court ordered, it was a requested warrant using an illegal ask. tarnishes the court order, and makes it illegal.

So you say, but you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[Faun]

Yes, just as Obstruction, itself, is a crime.

Yes.
When the obstructive actions are taken with a provable corrupt intent.
Get it dummy?

Dumbass, the conversation you butted into was about a poster trying to say that Obstruction needs an underlying crime.

Read the conversation before throwing in your two cents.

No it doesn't.

Thats right - Obstruction does not need an underlying crime.

Don't you forget that by the next thread.

You can't "obstruct justice" unless there is a predicate crime and an overt act that tries to prevent justice from occurring.

Tell that to Scooter Libby who was convicted of obstruction with no underlying crime.

 

[Olde Europe]

You can't "obstruct justice" unless there is a predicate crime and an overt act that tries to prevent justice from occurring.

Read the statute, dummy. Interfering into a government proceeding. Once the proceeding is there, interfering into it with corrupt intent is a crime, no matter whether the proceeding finds one. That is also perfectly logical, since, in case the obstruction is successful, no crime may be found, even though there was one. Obstruction is still a felony, and rightly so.

Given your willful ignorance, and / or lying about a long known fact...

You are truly stupid. You're about one more stupid post from making yourself irrelevant.

... "irrelevant" - even if true - would still be several steps above your self-chosen status.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Court ordered surveillance. Properly adjudicated.
Obviously then the warrant was not " illegally gotten".

it is when the application is perjured.

Fucking moron, here's the application....

Document: Justice Department Releases Carter Page FISA Application

.... quote the part(s) that were "perjured"...

The part that says "Verified Application."

Great, let's see your evidence the application wasn't verified....

The Mueller report is the evidence. We already know that many of the claims in the report are false.

LOL.....you dopes are way in the weeds.
WTF does the Mueller report have to do with the FISA application on Page?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

LOL....that's easy.
Because that shit isn't real.

Don't you ever question why your conspiracy is forced to expand every time you hit a brick wall?

You believe that warrant proves something. What?
What information was gleaned from it and how has it been used agaist Trump?

You keep harping on "spying" but have yet to show how anyone was harmed by it.

There is no Conspiracy when we have facts.

The American People were harmed by it, because it prevented our representative as president and his cabinet from conducting official business.

Furthermore it caused distress to The American Public, and the wailing and gnashing of teeth of The LibTard Left when they found out, Santa Clause wasn't real and wasn't going to be placing a Impeach 45 Present under the tree to save them from the 2020 landslide victory of Donald J. Trump.

Super Majority Bitches!

Get used to hearing that, A LOT!

Go Drink some more Russian Collusion Drunky McDrunkTard.

There was no spying, dope.

It's the suggestion of spying that is harming the country.

what do you call it when someone spies on someone without their knowledge wiretapping phones? didn't nixon do that?

Court ordered surveillance, dope.

it wasn't court ordered, it was a requested warrant using an illegal ask. tarnishes the court order, and makes it illegal.

A warrant is a court order, dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

LOL....that's easy.
Because that shit isn't real.

Don't you ever question why your conspiracy is forced to expand every time you hit a brick wall?

You believe that warrant proves something. What?
What information was gleaned from it and how has it been used agaist Trump?

You keep harping on "spying" but have yet to show how anyone was harmed by it.

There is no Conspiracy when we have facts.

The American People were harmed by it, because it prevented our representative as president and his cabinet from conducting official business.

Furthermore it caused distress to The American Public, and the wailing and gnashing of teeth of The LibTard Left when they found out, Santa Clause wasn't real and wasn't going to be placing a Impeach 45 Present under the tree to save them from the 2020 landslide victory of Donald J. Trump.

Super Majority Bitches!

Get used to hearing that, A LOT!

Go Drink some more Russian Collusion Drunky McDrunkTard.

There was no spying, dope.

It's the suggestion of spying that is harming the country.

There is No Russian Collusion, Dope.

It's The Suggestion of Spying that is harming The Country.

Dear Dope....

How do you explain The Unmasking of "Unintentional Targets of Surveillance" (A Crime All On It's Own) DumbASS.....

If there was NO SURVEILLANCE?

Please do continue to binge drink your Russian Collusion.

^Nice rambling nonsense.
I said there was no spying, dope.
There was court ordered surveillance.

it's called spying, and it was illegal.

LOL...
You are just dumb as shit, dude.

 

[hunarcy]

You can't "obstruct justice" unless there is a predicate crime and an overt act that tries to prevent justice from occurring.

Read the statute, dummy. Interfering into a government proceeding. Once the proceeding is there, interfering into it with corrupt intent is a crime, no matter whether the proceeding finds one. That is also perfectly logical, since, in case the obstruction is successful, no crime may be found, even though there was one. Obstruction is still a felony, and rightly so.

Given your willful ignorance, and / or lying about a long known fact...

You are truly stupid. You're about one more stupid post from making yourself irrelevant.

... "irrelevant" - even if true - would still be several steps above your self-chosen status.

Wow, I'm wounded that a person who is so mentally challenged that he can't tell that "interfering" is an OVERT act. BTW, you forgot to change to your other identity, so both of these go on ignore.

 

[Tehon]

from your link;

"the superseding indictment charges that Assange then published on WikiLeaks classified documents that contained the unredacted names of human sources who provided information to United States forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to U.S. State Department diplomats around the world."

Yep, but the main charge is based on espionage, not publishing stolen information. That just is part of showing he illegally obtained the information.

He does the same thing the New York Times does.

You people are dangerous. You learned nothing after 9/11.

Geez, you don't get it. It's ILLEGAL to break into databases and publish that which you illegally obtained. When you can show me that the New York Times breaks into government databases and then publishes what was illegally obtained, you'll have a point. Until then, you're wasting time with your silly outrage.

No, you don't get it. This is going to have a lasting and negative impact on our ability to hold government accountable.

If that doesn't stir the emotions of the people of this country, we're fucked.

People can't break the law to hold government accountable. Journalists who don't break the law to obtain the material can print it, but THEY can't print what THEY stole.

Count 17 of the indictments alleges it is a crime to have unauthorized possession and communicate the documents to others.

You're dangerous to the well being of our freedom.


COUNT 17 (Unauthorized Disclosure of National Defense Information)
A. The general allegations of this Superseding Indictment are re-alleged and incorporated into this Count as though fully set forth herein.
B. From in or about July 2010 and continuing until at least the time of this Superseding Indictment, in an offense begun and committed outside of the jurisdiction of any particular state or district of the United States, the defendant, JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE, who will be first brought to the Eastern District of Virginia, having unauthorized possession of, access to, and control over documents relating to the national defense, willfully and unlawfully caused and attempted to cause such materials to be communicated, delivered, and transmitted to persons not entitled to receive them.
C. Specifically, as alleged above, ASSANGE, having unauthorized possession of State Department cables, classified up to the SECRET level, containing the names of individuals, who risked their safety and freedom by providing information to the United States and our allies, communicated the documents containing names of those sources to all the world by publishing them on the Internet

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1165556/download

 

[hunarcy]

Yep, but the main charge is based on espionage, not publishing stolen information. That just is part of showing he illegally obtained the information.

He does the same thing the New York Times does.

You people are dangerous. You learned nothing after 9/11.

Geez, you don't get it. It's ILLEGAL to break into databases and publish that which you illegally obtained. When you can show me that the New York Times breaks into government databases and then publishes what was illegally obtained, you'll have a point. Until then, you're wasting time with your silly outrage.

No, you don't get it. This is going to have a lasting and negative impact on our ability to hold government accountable.

If that doesn't stir the emotions of the people of this country, we're fucked.

People can't break the law to hold government accountable. Journalists who don't break the law to obtain the material can print it, but THEY can't print what THEY stole.

Count 17 of the indictments alleges it is a crime to have unauthorized possession and communicate the documents to others.

You're dangerous to the well being of our freedom.


COUNT 17 (Unauthorized Disclosure of National Defense Information)
A. The general allegations of this Superseding Indictment are re-alleged and incorporated into this Count as though fully set forth herein.
B. From in or about July 2010 and continuing until at least the time of this Superseding Indictment, in an offense begun and committed outside of the jurisdiction of any particular state or district of the United States, the defendant, JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE, who will be first brought to the Eastern District of Virginia, having unauthorized possession of, access to, and control over documents relating to the national defense, willfully and unlawfully caused and attempted to cause such materials to be communicated, delivered, and transmitted to persons not entitled to receive them.
C. Specifically, as alleged above, ASSANGE, having unauthorized possession of State Department cables, classified up to the SECRET level, containing the names of individuals, who risked their safety and freedom by providing information to the United States and our allies, communicated the documents containing names of those sources to all the world by publishing them on the Internet

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1165556/download

The SCOTUS has ruled in the past that the Press can publish material that has been labeled secret, so you can smooth out your petticoat on that score. However, hackers like Assange are not the Press.

 

[hunarcy]

Yes.
When the obstructive actions are taken with a provable corrupt intent.
Get it dummy?

Dumbass, the conversation you butted into was about a poster trying to say that Obstruction needs an underlying crime.

Read the conversation before throwing in your two cents.

No it doesn't.

Thats right - Obstruction does not need an underlying crime.

Don't you forget that by the next thread.

You can't "obstruct justice" unless there is a predicate crime and an overt act that tries to prevent justice from occurring.

Tell that to Scooter Libby who was convicted of obstruction with no underlying crime.

Scooter Libby was convicted of four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements.

 

[Faun]

Dumbass, the conversation you butted into was about a poster trying to say that Obstruction needs an underlying crime.

Read the conversation before throwing in your two cents.

No it doesn't.

Thats right - Obstruction does not need an underlying crime.

Don't you forget that by the next thread.

You can't "obstruct justice" unless there is a predicate crime and an overt act that tries to prevent justice from occurring.

Tell that to Scooter Libby who was convicted of obstruction with no underlying crime.

Scooter Libby was convicted of four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements.

Great, so show where he was wrongfully convicted of obstruction with no underlying crime....

 

[Tehon]

He does the same thing the New York Times does.

You people are dangerous. You learned nothing after 9/11.

Geez, you don't get it. It's ILLEGAL to break into databases and publish that which you illegally obtained. When you can show me that the New York Times breaks into government databases and then publishes what was illegally obtained, you'll have a point. Until then, you're wasting time with your silly outrage.

No, you don't get it. This is going to have a lasting and negative impact on our ability to hold government accountable.

If that doesn't stir the emotions of the people of this country, we're fucked.

People can't break the law to hold government accountable. Journalists who don't break the law to obtain the material can print it, but THEY can't print what THEY stole.

Count 17 of the indictments alleges it is a crime to have unauthorized possession and communicate the documents to others.

You're dangerous to the well being of our freedom.


COUNT 17 (Unauthorized Disclosure of National Defense Information)
A. The general allegations of this Superseding Indictment are re-alleged and incorporated into this Count as though fully set forth herein.
B. From in or about July 2010 and continuing until at least the time of this Superseding Indictment, in an offense begun and committed outside of the jurisdiction of any particular state or district of the United States, the defendant, JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE, who will be first brought to the Eastern District of Virginia, having unauthorized possession of, access to, and control over documents relating to the national defense, willfully and unlawfully caused and attempted to cause such materials to be communicated, delivered, and transmitted to persons not entitled to receive them.
C. Specifically, as alleged above, ASSANGE, having unauthorized possession of State Department cables, classified up to the SECRET level, containing the names of individuals, who risked their safety and freedom by providing information to the United States and our allies, communicated the documents containing names of those sources to all the world by publishing them on the Internet

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1165556/download

The SCOTUS has ruled in the past that the Press can publish material that has been labeled secret, so you can smooth out your petticoat on that score. However, hackers like Assange are not the Press.

Perhaps it's not so clear as you make it out to be.

Liability of members of the media: During the Vietnam War, the Supreme Court refused to uphold a bar on publication of the Pentagon Papers. Justice White pointed out in a concurring opinion that the Court’s action did not mean that the newspapers and their reporters would be immune from criminal prosecution if they elected to publish the papers. Nevertheless, few, if any reporters, have ever been prosecuted for such leaks. On other hand, reporters have gone to jail for refusing to disclose the source of a leak. For example, New York Times reporter Judith Miller spent several months in jail for civil contempt because she would not identify before a grand jury her source in the case that ultimately led to the prosecution of Scooter Libby.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/law-leaks.pdf

 

[Olde Europe]

You can't "obstruct justice" unless there is a predicate crime and an overt act that tries to prevent justice from occurring.

Read the statute, dummy. Interfering into a government proceeding. Once the proceeding is there, interfering into it with corrupt intent is a crime, no matter whether the proceeding finds one. That is also perfectly logical, since, in case the obstruction is successful, no crime may be found, even though there was one. Obstruction is still a felony, and rightly so.

Given your willful ignorance, and / or lying about a long known fact...

You are truly stupid. You're about one more stupid post from making yourself irrelevant.

... "irrelevant" - even if true - would still be several steps above your self-chosen status.

Wow, I'm wounded that a person who is so mentally challenged that he can't tell that "interfering" is an OVERT act. BTW, you forgot to change to your other identity, so both of these go on ignore.

Good one, Hunny. No one believes "interfering" is, by necessity, an "OVERT" act - that's setting aside that Mueller listed several suspect incidents of obstruction that were public, aka, "OVERT".

Who, really, cares how many you claim to ignore? I mean, you not even rising to the status of "irrelevant"...

What a goof.

......


I may have missed it, have our resident rightards by now decided whether ...

... Rosenstein (appointing Mueller) is a member of the Deep State, or a Democratic plant?

... Mueller (investigating Trump's corruption) is a member of the Deep State, or a Democratic plant?


Does it even matter to the goofs?

 

[Oddball]

I'm looking more at the thematic structure -the meta-story if you will- and comparing it to history.

In doing so, the pattern of powerlust joined with an alarming level of hubris and entitlement bares itself.

While I strongly suggest you read the entire book, this chapter excerpt tells you all you need to know about what's happening before us...

Why the Worst Get on Top | F. A. Hayek

I neither have nor seek power, fuckchop.

 

[mudwhistle]

The fact is court ordered surveillance was conducted on a subject that was no longer a member of the campaign, dope.

spying on a citizen. terrible and not what you should want from your government. just saying, the dossier was never verified, therefore, any warrant was illegally gotten.

Court ordered surveillance. Properly adjudicated.
Obviously then the warrant was not " illegally gotten".

illegally gotten. the dossier wasn't verified ahead of the warrant. Illegally gotten. How many times you want me to write it? I can do that all day, get in trouble for it, but still can do it. Lying to a judge is illegal.

The dossier has never been verified.

Some parts were. And more importantly, the FBI presented additional evidence to the FISC besides the dossier.

And what evidence it this?

 

[mudwhistle]

You can't "obstruct justice" unless there is a predicate crime and an overt act that tries to prevent justice from occurring.

Read the statute, dummy. Interfering into a government proceeding. Once the proceeding is there, interfering into it with corrupt intent is a crime, no matter whether the proceeding finds one. That is also perfectly logical, since, in case the obstruction is successful, no crime may be found, even though there was one. Obstruction is still a felony, and rightly so.

Given your willful ignorance, and / or lying about a long known fact...

You are truly stupid. You're about one more stupid post from making yourself irrelevant.

... "irrelevant" - even if true - would still be several steps above your self-chosen status.

Wow, I'm wounded that a person who is so mentally challenged that he can't tell that "interfering" is an OVERT act. BTW, you forgot to change to your other identity, so both of these go on ignore.

Good one, Hunny. No one believes "interfering" is, by necessity, an "OVERT" act - that's setting aside that Mueller listed several suspect incidents of obstruction that were public, aka, "OVERT".

Who, really, cares how many you claim to ignore? I mean, you not even rising to the status of "irrelevant"...

What a goof.

......


I may have missed it, have our resident rightards by now decided whether ...

... Rosenstein (appointing Mueller) is a member of the Deep State, or a Democratic plant?

... Mueller (investigating Trump's corruption) is a member of the Deep State, or a Democratic plant?


Does it even matter to the goofs?

Rosenstein appointed Mueller after recommending that Trump fire Comey......so he used the firing as justification to start an investigation into obstruction.
Mueller has a history. He was picked for a specific purpose. To create process crimes......not to investigate Russian Collusion.

 

[sparky]

600+ military bases should be a clue....~S~

 

[mudwhistle]

Well, how else to you explain a FISA Warrant based on Russian Propaganda, that was never verified, and that everyone knew was paid for by The Clinton Obama Political Operations?

Since it's obvious and was proven there was No Russian Collusion, then either The FISA Court is Corrupt, or the People Submitting False Affidavits are Corrupt.

So which is it?

Was it crooked Obama FISA Judges?

Or was it a crooked Obama FBI and DOJ Leadership that was committed Treason?

OR WERE THEY WORKING TOGETHER TO OVERTHROW OUR ELECTIONS?

Someone is going to go to jail from The Obama-Clinton Cabal.

So why don't you get out in front of this, and tell us who you think is going to hang from your favorite political party?

Well, how else to you explain a FISA Warrant based on Russian Propaganda, that was never verified, and that everyone knew was paid for by The Clinton Obama Political Operations?

LOL....that's easy.
Because that shit isn't real.

Don't you ever question why your conspiracy is forced to expand every time you hit a brick wall?

You believe that warrant proves something. What?
What information was gleaned from it and how has it been used agaist Trump?

You keep harping on "spying" but have yet to show how anyone was harmed by it.

There is no Conspiracy when we have facts.

The American People were harmed by it, because it prevented our representative as president and his cabinet from conducting official business.

Furthermore it caused distress to The American Public, and the wailing and gnashing of teeth of The LibTard Left when they found out, Santa Clause wasn't real and wasn't going to be placing a Impeach 45 Present under the tree to save them from the 2020 landslide victory of Donald J. Trump.

Super Majority Bitches!

Get used to hearing that, A LOT!

Go Drink some more Russian Collusion Drunky McDrunkTard.

There was no spying, dope.

It's the suggestion of spying that is harming the country.

There is No Russian Collusion, Dope.

It's The Suggestion of Spying that is harming The Country.

Dear Dope....

How do you explain The Unmasking of "Unintentional Targets of Surveillance" (A Crime All On It's Own) DumbASS.....

If there was NO SURVEILLANCE?

Please do continue to binge drink your Russian Collusion.

^Nice rambling nonsense.
I said there was no spying, dope.
There was court ordered surveillance.

Yeah....spying.

 

[mudwhistle]

it is when the application is perjured.

Fucking moron, here's the application....

Document: Justice Department Releases Carter Page FISA Application

.... quote the part(s) that were "perjured"...

The part that says "Verified Application."

Great, let's see your evidence the application wasn't verified....

The Mueller report is the evidence. We already know that many of the claims in the report are false.

LOL

Mueller did not investigate the FISA application.

No shit. He wouldn't touch that sort of malfeasance with a ten meter cattle-prod.
Mueller's only purpose was to create a constitutional crisis that Dummycraps could use as justification for impeachment.