Zone1 The term "Personal relationship with Jesus" is not in the Bible

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Half brothers.

You really aren't equipped to participate in this discussion.

 

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Scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit. You're partly correct.

My day to day life is guided by the Holy Spirit which is how I can see the nuances within scripture that you can’t. I don’t reject scripture. I reject your interpretation of scripture.

 

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You really aren't equipped to participate in this discussion.

That’s a textbook example of the dunning effect and demonstrates how prideful you are.

 

[Leviticus]

Jesus had brothers (step brothers)

Actually he had a younger brother named James who was the son of Mary and Joseph.

 

[Leviticus]

Actually he had a younger brother named James who was the son of Mary and Joseph.

Mary being a Virgin her entire life was something completely made up by the Catholic Church.

 

[BS Filter]

My day to day life is guided by the Holy Spirit which is how I can see the nuances within scripture that you can’t. I don’t reject scripture. I reject your interpretation of scripture.

Of course, you're a catholic.

 

[BS Filter]

That’s a textbook example of the dunning effect and demonstrates how prideful you are.

You're the one who puts your tradition above Scripture. Good luck.

 

[BS Filter]

Fake news.

Then show me the truth.

 

[ding]

Actually he had a younger brother named James who was the son of Mary and Joseph.

“This question arises because the gospels refer to the “brothers” and “sisters” of our Lord. In the New American Bible’s English translation of the Gospel of St. Mark, we do indeed read about the crowd asking, “Isn’t this the carpenter, the son of Mary, a brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters our neighbors here?” (Mark 6:3). A similar reference occurs earlier in Mark 3:31 — “His mother and brothers arrived….”

The problem emerges in understanding the meaning of the word brother. In the original text of the gospel, we find the Greek word adelphos, meaning brothers, used. However, adelphos does not just mean blood brothers born of the same parents. Rather, adelphos was used to describe brothers not born of the same parents, like a half-brother or step-brother. The word also described other relationships like cousins, nephews, uncles, etc. For example in Genesis 13:8 and 14:14-16, the word adelphos was used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot; however, these two men did not share a blood brother relationship, but one of uncle and nephew. Another instance is that of Laban, who was an adelphos to Jacob, not as a brother, but as an uncle. (In the New American translation, “kinsman” or “relative” will be used in these Old Testament cases; I do not know why this is not true in the English translation of the gospel.)

The same meanings are true for the word sister in Greek. For example, in I Chronicles 23:21-22, the sons of Kish married their “sisters,” a literal translation of the text, but in reality they married their cousins…”

Did Jesus have "blood" brothers and sisters? - Catholic Straight Answers

This question arises because the gospels refer to the “brothers” and “sisters” of our Lord. In the New American Bible’s English translation of the Gospel of St. Mark, we do indeed read about the crowd asking, “Isn’t this the carpenter, … Continued

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[Carl in Michigan]

Actually he had a younger brother named James who was the son of Mary and Joseph.

You know I said that, right?

 

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Actually he had a younger brother named James who was the son of Mary and Joseph.

“…Actually the confusion originates in Hebrew and Aramaic, the languages of most of the original Old Testament texts and of Christ. In these languages, no special word existed for cousin, nephew or aunt, half-brother or half-sister, or step-brother or step-sister; so they used the word brother or a circumlocution, such as in the case of a cousin, “the son of the brother of my father.” When the Old Testament was translated into Greek and the New Testament written in Greek, the word adelphos was used to capture all of these meanings for male relatives. So in each instance, we must examine the context in which the title is used. In all, the confusion arises in English because of the lack of distinct terms for relatives in the Hebrew and Aramaic, and the usage of the Greek adelphos to signify all of these relations….”

Did Jesus have "blood" brothers and sisters? - Catholic Straight Answers

This question arises because the gospels refer to the “brothers” and “sisters” of our Lord. In the New American Bible’s English translation of the Gospel of St. Mark, we do indeed read about the crowd asking, “Isn’t this the carpenter, … Continued

catholicstraightanswers.com

 

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Actually he had a younger brother named James who was the son of Mary and Joseph.

“…Nevertheless, other gospel passages clarify these relationships. James and Joses were the sons of Mary of Cleophas (Mark 15:40). Mary of Cleophas is described in the Gospel of John as our Blessed Mother’s “sister” (John 20:25); obviously, she must have been a cousin, and James and Joses thereby cousins of our Lord. Judas was the son of James (not either of the apostles) (Luke 6:16). James the lesser was the son of Alphaeus (Luke 6:15). James the greater and John were the sons of Zebedee with a mother other than our Blessed Mother Mary (Matthew 20:20ff)…”

Did Jesus have "blood" brothers and sisters? - Catholic Straight Answers

This question arises because the gospels refer to the “brothers” and “sisters” of our Lord. In the New American Bible’s English translation of the Gospel of St. Mark, we do indeed read about the crowd asking, “Isn’t this the carpenter, … Continued

catholicstraightanswers.com

 

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Mary being a Virgin her entire life was something completely made up by the Catholic Church.

“…The gospels are also very clear that Mary was a virgin at the time she conceived Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit (cf. Matthew 1:18-25, Luke 1:26-38). Remember when the Archangel Gabriel announced to Mary God’s plan, she responded, “How can this be since I do not know man?” After the birth of our Lord, although the gospels do not give us many details of His childhood, no mention is made of Mary and Joseph ever having other children. Never does it refer to the “sons of Mary” or “a son of Mary,” but only the son of Mary…”

Did Jesus have "blood" brothers and sisters? - Catholic Straight Answers

This question arises because the gospels refer to the “brothers” and “sisters” of our Lord. In the New American Bible’s English translation of the Gospel of St. Mark, we do indeed read about the crowd asking, “Isn’t this the carpenter, … Continued

catholicstraightanswers.com

 

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Mary being a Virgin her entire life was something completely made up by the Catholic Church.

“…This point is again corroborated at the crucifixion scene: Before He dies, our Lord says to Mary, “Woman, there is your son,” and then to St. John, who is definitely not a blood brother, “There is your mother.” According to Jewish law, the oldest son had the responsibility of caring for the widowed mother, and that responsibility would pass to the next oldest if anything happened to the first born son. By this time, St. Joseph had died. Since Jesus, the first born, had no “blood brother,” He entrusted Mary to the care of St. John, the Beloved Disciple…”

Did Jesus have "blood" brothers and sisters? - Catholic Straight Answers

This question arises because the gospels refer to the “brothers” and “sisters” of our Lord. In the New American Bible’s English translation of the Gospel of St. Mark, we do indeed read about the crowd asking, “Isn’t this the carpenter, … Continued

catholicstraightanswers.com

 

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Then show me the truth.

See posts #269, 271, 272, 273 and 274.

 

[ding]

You're the one who puts your tradition above Scripture. Good luck.

Would you like for me to misstate your beliefs now?

You believe once saved always saved so you are free to do whatever you please.

Doesn’t that feel nice to be misstated?

 

[ding]

Of course, you're a catholic.

Matthew 16:18

 

[Meriweather]

“…Nevertheless, other gospel passages clarify these relationships. James and Joses were the sons of Mary of Cleophas (Mark 15:40). Mary of Cleophas is described in the Gospel of John as our Blessed Mother’s “sister” (John 20:25); obviously, she must have been a cousin, and James and Joses thereby cousins of our Lord.

Another explanation is that Cleophas was the brother of Joseph (Mary's husband) and Cleophas wife was also named Mary, meaning they were sisters-in-law, not biological sisters. Mary's biological sister was thought to be Salome, who was Zebedee's wife, the mother of James and John. This would make James and John the cousins of Jesus--and Peter, as a fisherman, knew and worked with James and John. Andrew, of course, was Peter's brother.

It appears that his mother, two aunts, and Mary Magdalene were the women at Jesus' crucifixion, and were also the ones preparing for his burial. (Mark mentions Salome by name at the crucifixion.)

When Jesus told John, "Behold your mother..." and Mary, "Behold your son..." the two had a blood relationship of aunt and nephew.

 

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“…Actually the confusion originates in Hebrew and Aramaic, the languages of most of the original Old Testament texts and of Christ. In these languages, no special word existed for cousin, nephew or aunt, half-brother or half-sister, or step-brother or step-sister; so they used the word brother or a circumlocution, such as in the case of a cousin, “the son of the brother of my father.” When the Old Testament was translated into Greek and the New Testament written in Greek, the word adelphos was used to capture all of these meanings for male relatives. So in each instance, we must examine the context in which the title is used. In all, the confusion arises in English because of the lack of distinct terms for relatives in the Hebrew and Aramaic, and the usage of the Greek adelphos to signify all of these relations….”

Did Jesus have "blood" brothers and sisters? - Catholic Straight Answers

This question arises because the gospels refer to the “brothers” and “sisters” of our Lord. In the New American Bible’s English translation of the Gospel of St. Mark, we do indeed read about the crowd asking, “Isn’t this the carpenter, … Continued

catholicstraightanswers.com

The confusion originates with liars.

 

[BS Filter]

See posts #269, 271, 272, 273 and 274.

You're wasting time here.