The WEIRD political hypocrisy of this board.

[bendog]

it works both ways.....at one time they got things done....both of the parties of today have become shit with sub-par "leaders" ....and there aint nothing on the horizon....

As shown in my post above
Republicans moved the bar to No Compromise

That is the political environment we now live in

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

I don't think "it works" like one side saying "sorry" here's a Justice Seat. And the reality is that the dems should be in Obama's third term, but they ran the worst since McGovern. McConnell played politics.

Now Graham's in a snit because the mean old dems smeared Kavenaugh with the accusation by one, very credible woman. Graham is correct that in the future, with Me To, any accusation by a woman of something long ago will have to be investitgated to make sure there is not some pattern of abuse. But if there's not a pattern ... I think you gotta let it go. It'd be nice if men could be big enough to say when they were young they didn't handle themselves as they wish they had, but they've grown up.

Hopefully there will not be anymore vacant seats till Trump is gone. And hopefully the dems will catch a clue and run an electable candidate.

 

[Harry Dresden]

it works both ways.....at one time they got things done....both of the parties of today have become shit with sub-par "leaders" ....and there aint nothing on the horizon....

As shown in my post above
Republicans moved the bar to No Compromise

That is the political environment we now live in

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

like you guys have never poisoned that well.....and you guys helped create that new political reality.....but then the dems did not have much to work with either...

 

[Richard-H]

No liberals thought that the right wing in the U.S. would turn as extreme as it has. The idea of a Trump presidency existed only in a comedy show named 'The Simpsons'. It is an utter absurdity.

The left hasn't changed much, true Republicans like the Bushs, McCain and Romney seem a whole lot more reasonable than the wack job that's our current President.

The fact that all the Trumpbots now despise the Bushs, McCain and Romney shows how far off the deep end they've gone. There is something seriously wrong with these people!

The left hasn't changed much, huh?


Both parties have changed....much. Good grief!

Nope, the 'left' is still mostly middle-of-the -road people who only lean a bit to the left. There has always been a minority of socialists and semi-socialists, but the only real difference is that they are no longer persecuted for speaking their mind.

Any change on the left is miniscule as compared to what's going on on the right. Holy Shit - Ronald Reagan would be considered a RINO nowadays!

Oh baloney, both sides have their extremes but the left is rapidly drifting to "democratic socialism".

Considering Medicare, Social Security and government assistance programs have been around for many, many years, it's apparent that therer have been democratic-socialist running this country for quite a long time.

It's only recently - due to the success of democratic-socialism throughout the world - that they've been open about their views.

It has been about 70 posts since I asked you people to point to a topic started by someone claiming to be a conservative attacking Trump for his RECORD SPENDING and for DOUBLING THE FEDERAL DEFICIT.

Well?!?

Huh? Are you accusing me of being a Conservative? Really G?

 

[rightwinger]

As shown in my post above
Republicans moved the bar to No Compromise

That is the political environment we now live in

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

like you guys have never poisoned that well.....and you guys helped create that new political reality.....but then the dems did not have much to work with either...

Give me an equivalent example of the Dems doing the same and we can talk

 

[rightwinger]

As shown in my post above
Republicans moved the bar to No Compromise

That is the political environment we now live in

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

I don't think "it works" like one side saying "sorry" here's a Justice Seat. And the reality is that the dems should be in Obama's third term, but they ran the worst since McGovern. McConnell played politics.

Now Graham's in a snit because the mean old dems smeared Kavenaugh with the accusation by one, very credible woman. Graham is correct that in the future, with Me To, any accusation by a woman of something long ago will have to be investitgated to make sure there is not some pattern of abuse. But if there's not a pattern ... I think you gotta let it go. It'd be nice if men could be big enough to say when they were young they didn't handle themselves as they wish they had, but they've grown up.

Hopefully there will not be anymore vacant seats till Trump is gone. And hopefully the dems will catch a clue and run an electable candidate.

Graham needed to speak up about the injustice of Merrick Garland

Otherwise he is just a partisan whiner

 

[bendog]

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

I don't think "it works" like one side saying "sorry" here's a Justice Seat. And the reality is that the dems should be in Obama's third term, but they ran the worst since McGovern. McConnell played politics.

Now Graham's in a snit because the mean old dems smeared Kavenaugh with the accusation by one, very credible woman. Graham is correct that in the future, with Me To, any accusation by a woman of something long ago will have to be investitgated to make sure there is not some pattern of abuse. But if there's not a pattern ... I think you gotta let it go. It'd be nice if men could be big enough to say when they were young they didn't handle themselves as they wish they had, but they've grown up.

Hopefully there will not be anymore vacant seats till Trump is gone. And hopefully the dems will catch a clue and run an electable candidate.

Graham needed to speak up about the injustice of Merrick Garland

Otherwise he is just a partisan whiner

Of course he's a partisan whiner. As are democrats.

 

[LoneLaugher]

When you rewrite history to fit your narrative, anything is possible. The fucking nutbags here simply can not accept reality. It would require them to apologise for the way they've scorched the earth in DC and for allowing a windbag like Trump to get anywhere near an elected office.

 

[Harry Dresden]

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

like you guys have never poisoned that well.....and you guys helped create that new political reality.....but then the dems did not have much to work with either...

Give me an equivalent example of the Dems doing the same and we can talk

if you are talking about the supreme court tell me that democrats would not have done the same?....

 

[rightwinger]

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

I don't think "it works" like one side saying "sorry" here's a Justice Seat. And the reality is that the dems should be in Obama's third term, but they ran the worst since McGovern. McConnell played politics.

Now Graham's in a snit because the mean old dems smeared Kavenaugh with the accusation by one, very credible woman. Graham is correct that in the future, with Me To, any accusation by a woman of something long ago will have to be investitgated to make sure there is not some pattern of abuse. But if there's not a pattern ... I think you gotta let it go. It'd be nice if men could be big enough to say when they were young they didn't handle themselves as they wish they had, but they've grown up.

Hopefully there will not be anymore vacant seats till Trump is gone. And hopefully the dems will catch a clue and run an electable candidate.

Graham needed to speak up about the injustice of Merrick Garland

Otherwise he is just a partisan whiner

Of course he's a partisan whiner. As are democrats.

Very true

But his outrage over poor Kavanaugh fell flat

 

[Harry Dresden]

When you rewrite history to fit your narrative, anything is possible. The fucking nutbags here simply can not accept reality. It would require them to apologise for the way they've scorched the earth in DC and for allowing a windbag like Trump to get anywhere near an elected office.

they cant except reality?....is that anything like the people who cant except election results?....because thats reality too....

 

[rightwinger]

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

like you guys have never poisoned that well.....and you guys helped create that new political reality.....but then the dems did not have much to work with either...

Give me an equivalent example of the Dems doing the same and we can talk

if you are talking about the supreme court tell me that democrats would not have done the samei ?....

I have 175 years of the Democrats not doing the same

I asked you to provide an equivalent example of the Democrats doing something similar

I assume you have nothing

 

[bendog]

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

I don't think "it works" like one side saying "sorry" here's a Justice Seat. And the reality is that the dems should be in Obama's third term, but they ran the worst since McGovern. McConnell played politics.

Now Graham's in a snit because the mean old dems smeared Kavenaugh with the accusation by one, very credible woman. Graham is correct that in the future, with Me To, any accusation by a woman of something long ago will have to be investitgated to make sure there is not some pattern of abuse. But if there's not a pattern ... I think you gotta let it go. It'd be nice if men could be big enough to say when they were young they didn't handle themselves as they wish they had, but they've grown up.

Hopefully there will not be anymore vacant seats till Trump is gone. And hopefully the dems will catch a clue and run an electable candidate.

Graham needed to speak up about the injustice of Merrick Garland

Otherwise he is just a partisan whiner

Of course he's a partisan whiner. As are democrats.

Very true

But his outrage over poor Kavanaugh fell flat

I dunno. I think Kavenaugh was badly treated. I don't think he was the most qualified conservative, and I think Trump picked solely because he was a safe vote for letting Trump keep secret whatever Trump wants .... but imo if a person is accused of a personal moral failure involving an non-financial/professional nature, then it has to be lodged with the FBI before any investigation is complete., and unless there are corroborating witnesses or a series of similar complaints, it has to be put aside.

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

I don't think "it works" like one side saying "sorry" here's a Justice Seat. And the reality is that the dems should be in Obama's third term, but they ran the worst since McGovern. McConnell played politics.

Now Graham's in a snit because the mean old dems smeared Kavenaugh with the accusation by one, very credible woman. Graham is correct that in the future, with Me To, any accusation by a woman of something long ago will have to be investitgated to make sure there is not some pattern of abuse. But if there's not a pattern ... I think you gotta let it go. It'd be nice if men could be big enough to say when they were young they didn't handle themselves as they wish they had, but they've grown up.

Hopefully there will not be anymore vacant seats till Trump is gone. And hopefully the dems will catch a clue and run an electable candidate.

Graham needed to speak up about the injustice of Merrick Garland

Otherwise he is just a partisan whiner

Of course he's a partisan whiner. As are democrats.

Very true

But his outrage over poor Kavanaugh fell flat

I dunno. I think Kavenaugh was badly treated. I don't think he was the most qualified conservative, and I think Trump picked solely because he was a safe vote for letting Trump keep secret whatever Trump wants .... but imo if a person is accused of a personal moral failure involving an non-financial/professional nature, then it has to be lodged with the FBI before any investigation is complete., and unless there are corroborating witnesses or a series of similar complaints, it has to be put aside.

Like I said, the well is poisoned
Any expectation of “fair” treatment of Kavanaughs past is unreasonable

Note that the Dems did not do the same in the confirmation of Gorsuch

Republicans were trying to fast track Kavanaugh and Dems insisted on a hearing of charges

 

[Slade3200]

Sorry chica but that’s just not true. Representatives are elected by the people. There are many problems with our campaign and electoral process, I’ll give you that, but our democracy it’s far from the picture you paint.

You are right about our laws granting permission to do whatever we want, how that’s how any system is governed and that’s why we had legal slavery and other despicable laws many years ago.

Again, no, they do not represent everyone's interests. If you're lucky, you end up with one which matches your interests 1%. Regardless of whether that's the case, I and many others never consented to their "representation", and the mere fact that OTHER PEOPLE chose that person for "us" does not mean that they represent "us". A majority deciding that they do does not change that fact.

Telling me that laws allow things is not an argument that it's just or that it should stay that way.

It’s impossible to have a person or government for that matter that represents everybody. How do you propose a fair system to work?

NOW you're getting it. Or probably not. The answer is no government, because the only person who can represent you is yourself, and everyone consents to what they want. If there's a demand for something, people pay for it, and everyone can defend themselves. We also don't have an organization of liars, thieves, kidnappers, and murderers waging wars that only serve their own interests.

Oh now I get it... you’re an anarchist. That makes sense. Unfortunately your system is an impossibility in a country like ours. Go find a tribe in the rainforest somewhere and you might have better luck, although they likely will have a leader as well.

Has already worked for 9000+ years in Ireland, worked in Capaia, Neutral Moresnet, Pennsylvania. Not only is it a possibility, there's evidence that it has worked in other places, unlike Governments, which are completely unsustainable. You only think that it's primitive because your lord and masters in government want you to think so.

What are you talking about?! Ireland has a parliamentary system and a prime minister. They are not an anarchist country. And again without an organized central government there is no military protection, no currency for trade and no organized system to take care of basic infrastructure needs of a nation of our size. We are not playing cowboys and Indians anymore nor are we living in tribes. Your idea is fun in theory but utterly impossible in reality

 

[iceberg]

Democrats have shown a willingness to work with Republicans on balancing the budget, healthcare, foreign policy and the economy

Republicans just gave them the finger

uh...please show me where they worked with the repubs on just about anything at all.

balancing the budget? hell both sides seem to ignore that nugget.
healthcare? gotta pass it to see what's in it...they ran roughshod over the R's and didn't really care what they thought.
foreign policy? since when has either side really worked with the other?

Gladly

Let’s look at recent history
Democrats worked with Bush on Medicare Part D, Democrats supported Bush’s education initiatives,Democrats gave Bush unrestricted power after 9-11, they supported his economic fixes during the recession of 2008
On the budget, Democrats offered formulas for increasing taxes and slashing spending. Norquist pledging Republicans refused any budget balancing that involved tax increases

Now, your turn
Can you point to any recent policy where Republicans worked with Democrats

bush is recent?

next.

 

[iceberg]

it works both ways.....at one time they got things done....both of the parties of today have become shit with sub-par "leaders" ....and there aint nothing on the horizon....

As shown in my post above
Republicans moved the bar to No Compromise

That is the political environment we now live in

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

and democrats ignore "the biden rule" cause it doesn't jibe with their anger-boner.

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats have shown a willingness to work with Republicans on balancing the budget, healthcare, foreign policy and the economy

Republicans just gave them the finger

uh...please show me where they worked with the repubs on just about anything at all.

balancing the budget? hell both sides seem to ignore that nugget.
healthcare? gotta pass it to see what's in it...they ran roughshod over the R's and didn't really care what they thought.
foreign policy? since when has either side really worked with the other?

Gladly

Let’s look at recent history
Democrats worked with Bush on Medicare Part D, Democrats supported Bush’s education initiatives,Democrats gave Bush unrestricted power after 9-11, they supported his economic fixes during the recession of 2008
On the budget, Democrats offered formulas for increasing taxes and slashing spending. Norquist pledging Republicans refused any budget balancing that involved tax increases

Now, your turn
Can you point to any recent policy where Republicans worked with Democrats

bush is recent?

next.

Yes he is in the last 20 years

Democrats cooperated with Bush on multiple issues. Republicans refused to cooperate with Obama on a single issue

Republicans poisoned the well

 

[rightwinger]

As shown in my post above
Republicans moved the bar to No Compromise

That is the political environment we now live in

and there aint no relief in site....

Not while Trump is President

even beyond trump.....no relief in site....

Republicans poisoned the well in stealing a Supreme Court seat

The chances of .....
Let’s shake hands and let bygones be bygones are nil until Republicans make good

They have created a new political reality and I don’t think they will be happy with what they have to live with

and democrats ignore "the biden rule" cause it doesn't jibe with their anger-boner.

It is the McConnell rule

Biden had no authority to delay a confirmation. McConnell delayed for one year

McConnell has changed Senate confirmations to where now an opposing Senate will not approve Presidential court appointments

 

[kiwiman127]

Under Obama everyone on the right loved Bush and the left hated him. Now Bush is hated by the right and admired by the left.
When McCain/Romney ran against Obama they were supported by the right and despised by the left. Now those roles too have reversed.

I think it is a flawed personal trait when you don't have the courage to stick to your so called principles regardless of someone elses health condition. It's hard to take a lot of you serious.

If they are part of the Deep State and Establishment and are against Trump in any way, The Left will hate him. So will The Establishment Right.

When you have a guy in office you cannot control and who refuses to be your puppet, the corrupt politicians on both sides of the isle will oppose him and support anyone else who even looks even in the slightest bit to oppose him.

One thing is perfectly clear, you are totally discounting Independents dislike of Trump.
Polls have shown that. The Midterms, backed up the polls what showed it.
In October, Trump had only a 36% approval rating with Independents.
The exit poss from the Midterm's show only 41% Independents voted Republicans, that's 18% fewer who voted for Democrats. And we all know, Trump reminded voters repeatedly, that a votes for the GOP were a vote for him.
So, it appears, it just the people who identify with Trump and the Little Trump Party, are those who support Trump and are willing to jump of the cliff with him.
Trump’s unpopularity with independent voters risks defeat in midterms
Independents Likely Hold the Key to House Control | RealClearPolitics
‘I am on the ticket’: Trump seeks to make the election about him, even if some don’t want it to be - The Washington Post
So, if you are going to just blame the left, you are missing the boat. Maybe one day, Little Trumpsters will realize, you don't win elections when you are out of touch with most voting Americans.
You can now go back to your little world.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Again, no, they do not represent everyone's interests. If you're lucky, you end up with one which matches your interests 1%. Regardless of whether that's the case, I and many others never consented to their "representation", and the mere fact that OTHER PEOPLE chose that person for "us" does not mean that they represent "us". A majority deciding that they do does not change that fact.

Telling me that laws allow things is not an argument that it's just or that it should stay that way.

It’s impossible to have a person or government for that matter that represents everybody. How do you propose a fair system to work?

NOW you're getting it. Or probably not. The answer is no government, because the only person who can represent you is yourself, and everyone consents to what they want. If there's a demand for something, people pay for it, and everyone can defend themselves. We also don't have an organization of liars, thieves, kidnappers, and murderers waging wars that only serve their own interests.

Oh now I get it... you’re an anarchist. That makes sense. Unfortunately your system is an impossibility in a country like ours. Go find a tribe in the rainforest somewhere and you might have better luck, although they likely will have a leader as well.

Has already worked for 9000+ years in Ireland, worked in Capaia, Neutral Moresnet, Pennsylvania. Not only is it a possibility, there's evidence that it has worked in other places, unlike Governments, which are completely unsustainable. You only think that it's primitive because your lord and masters in government want you to think so.

What are you talking about?! Ireland has a parliamentary system and a prime minister. They are not an anarchist country. And again without an organized central government there is no military protection, no currency for trade and no organized system to take care of basic infrastructure needs of a nation of our size. We are not playing cowboys and Indians anymore nor are we living in tribes. Your idea is fun in theory but utterly impossible in reality

They were Anarchy until the statist barbarians invaded. I would say that you should have figured that I was referring to medieval Ireland, but since you're a statist yourself, I would be expecting too much. You fail a lot of "Connect The Dots" activities, don't you? I'd also like to point out that you latched onto what you, ignorantly, thought was an inconsistency and failed to address my other citations. Is that an admission that you're wrong?

Ireland's ability to fend off attacks from statists for 9000+ years is evidence in and of itself that a central government is not needed for an army. America also formed a militia without a state, and every individual in any society does not need the government to arm themselves and defend their own homes. In fact, they are much stronger without a government, since a government restricts the abilities of the citizens to own and bear whatever arms they please. The only reason there's a state military in the first place is so that the government can initiate force for its own self-interest.

Government is not needed for currency, and in fact they replace currency with actual value with their unsustainable fiat currency. The demand for the US dollar is a result of the government pointing its guns at demanding that they trade with their worthless paper. With no supply cap and little utility, the US dollar will eventually collapse, and that's all a government does as far as currency. People would otherwise naturally trade with currencies with actual value, supply cap, and utility, examples include crypto currencies, precious metals, and literally anything one person values enough to trade another thing for.

Government is not needed for infrastructure, if there's a demand for something, people will already pay for it willingly. The only reason a government would need to get involved is if people don't want to pay for something, in which case there's no demand. Private industry already builds roads, for example.