Trump: 14th Amendment is Unconstitutional

Boss said:
paddymurphy said:
The Court addressed this explicitly: "That decision was placed upon the grounds that the meaning of those words was not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance...
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This is EXACTLY what my argument has been.
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Boss said:
paddymurphy said:
The Court addressed this explicitly: "That decision was placed upon the grounds that the meaning of those words was not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance...
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This is EXACTLY what my argument has been.
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I have not yet found a single libtard that can answer this question. If Plyler was a ruling about jurisdiction giving birthright citizenship to those under the legal jurisdiction of US law, the why are illegals and legal aliens both not eligible to for birthright citizenship if born on US territories of American Samoa or Swain Island?

Birthright citizenship in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly the Us government has jurisdiction on its own territory, but aliens do not get citizenship if born in those terriroties.

Why if Plyler ruled on jurisdiction = birthright citizenship?
 
JimBowie1958 said:
Trump was talking about passing a law to restrict Birthright citizenship to legal parents, and disallowing illegal parents.
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I mean, it's not like this hasn't been tried...


Citizenship Reform Act of 1999
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 106th congress
Citizen Reform Act of 1999

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

S.J.Res. 6:
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.
Updated: Fri, Jan 16th 2009 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. David Vitter [R-LA] in the 111th congress
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.

H.R. 1363:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1995
Updated: Thu, Mar 30th 1995 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 104th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.R. 346:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 105th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 60:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time.
Updated: Thu, Mar 6th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. L. Callahan [R-AL1, 1985-2002] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time of the birth.

H.R. 7:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1997
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 105th congress

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 26:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Thu, Jan 9th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 319:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 106th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 10:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 106th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 59:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Fri, Jul 27th 2001 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 107th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 190:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 3rd 2001 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 107th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.R. 1567:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2003
Updated: Wed, Apr 2nd 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 108th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 44:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Mon, Mar 31st 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 42:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Mar 20th 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

S. 2117:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Thu, Dec 15th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 109th congress
The bill would mandate federal cooperation with state and local law enforcement and enlist retired law officers in watching the border. The bill would put an end to the birthright citizenship process that automatically grants citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.

H.R. 698:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2005
Updated: Wed, Feb 9th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 109th congress
The bill would end the process of granting automatic citizenship to the children born to illegal aliens in the United States.

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 46:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Apr 28th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.Res. 41:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Wed, Apr 13th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

S. 1269:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Wed, May 2nd 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 110th congress
The bill would establish, within Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW), which would authorize retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings, and would allow civilian volunteers to participate in the NBNW, provided CBP-defined criteria are met; would provide for fencing and security improvements along the southern U.S.

H.R. 1940:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Apr 19th 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 110th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting the granting of such citizenship to the children of: (1) U.S. citizens or nationals; (2) lawful permanent resident aliens residing in the United States; and (3) aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 133:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Jan 4th 2007 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Elton Gallegly [R-CA24, 2003-2013] in the 110th congress
The bill would restrict birthright citizenship to children who are born in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction” thereof by defining “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States to mean a child born: (1) to married parents (though common law marriage is not sufficient), at least one of whom is a citizen, national, or lawful permanent resident (LPR) of the United States and maintains a residence here; (2) out of wedlock to a mother who is a U.S. citizen, national, or LPR and maintains her residence here; or (3) to a father who is a U.S.

H.R. 1868:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
Updated: Thu, Apr 2nd 2009 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 111th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011
Updated: Wed, Jan 5th 2011 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 112th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 1196:
LEAVE Act
Updated: Thu, Mar 17th 2011 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Gary Miller [R-CA31] in the 112th congress
The bill contains multiple provisions designed to help federal authorities enforce our immigration laws including mandatory employment verification, assistance by state and local law enforcement, additional ICE agents, and secure identification measures. More specifically, the LEAVE Act would:
Prohibit dealings that assist or encourage an illegal alien to cross the border or remain in the United States.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2013
Updated: Thu, Jan 3rd 2013 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 113th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."

...
There's plenty more - but that's enough for now.

Even when the GOP had the House, the Senate and Executive branches -- all them pro-posals...

Whadd 'appened?
 
paddymurphy said:
I was referring to the portion of the 14th Amendment we have been discussing; you know, the one that states that any person born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen.
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Right... So, if I am not born in the United States AND "subject to geographical jurisdiction" (which is essentially the same thing), then I cannot be an American citizen. That is YOUR interpretation?
 
The Rabbi said:
JimBowie1958 said:
The Rabbi said:
Yeah I couldnt make this up if I tried. This is a "gutcheck" post. If you try to defend Trump's statement it is proof positive you are a complete moron and abject ignoramus. I dont care what your political leanings.
Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional
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Dude, you shouldn't place a lot of stock in what some libtard journalist says about anything.

Trump was talking about passing a law to restrict Birthright citizenship to legal parents, and disallowing illegal parents.

The idiot journo is deliberately twisting Trumps words in a fractured discussion about his immigration reform. The law passed would have to be tested in court, and he is well aware that the 14th amendment cant be tested. The current libtard interpretation will be tested with a new law, but that's about it.
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You cannot pass a law that trumps the Constitution.
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It wouldn't trump the Constitution but only the reigning libtard interpretation of the Constitution.

If Plyler v Doyle was a ruling about jurisdiction giving birthright citizenship to those under any and all legal jurisdiction of US law, then why are illegals and legal aliens both not eligible for birthright citizenship if born on US territories of American Samoa or Swain Island?

Birthright citizenship in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Clearly the US government has jurisdiction on its own territory, but aliens do not get citizenship if born in those territories.

Why if Plyler ruled on jurisdiction = birthright citizenship?
 
paperview said:
JimBowie1958 said:
Trump was talking about passing a law to restrict Birthright citizenship to legal parents, and disallowing illegal parents.
....
Click to expand...
I mean, it's not like this hasn't been tried...


Citizenship Reform Act of 1999
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 106th congress
Citizen Reform Act of 1999

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

S.J.Res. 6:
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.
Updated: Fri, Jan 16th 2009 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. David Vitter [R-LA] in the 111th congress
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.

H.R. 1363:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1995
Updated: Thu, Mar 30th 1995 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 104th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.R. 346:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 105th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 60:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time.
Updated: Thu, Mar 6th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. L. Callahan [R-AL1, 1985-2002] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time of the birth.

H.R. 7:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1997
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 105th congress

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 26:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Thu, Jan 9th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 319:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 106th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 10:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 106th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 59:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Fri, Jul 27th 2001 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 107th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 190:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 3rd 2001 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 107th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.R. 1567:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2003
Updated: Wed, Apr 2nd 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 108th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 44:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Mon, Mar 31st 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 42:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Mar 20th 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

S. 2117:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Thu, Dec 15th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 109th congress
The bill would mandate federal cooperation with state and local law enforcement and enlist retired law officers in watching the border. The bill would put an end to the birthright citizenship process that automatically grants citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.

H.R. 698:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2005
Updated: Wed, Feb 9th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 109th congress
The bill would end the process of granting automatic citizenship to the children born to illegal aliens in the United States.

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 46:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Apr 28th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.Res. 41:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Wed, Apr 13th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

S. 1269:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Wed, May 2nd 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 110th congress
The bill would establish, within Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW), which would authorize retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings, and would allow civilian volunteers to participate in the NBNW, provided CBP-defined criteria are met; would provide for fencing and security improvements along the southern U.S.

H.R. 1940:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Apr 19th 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 110th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting the granting of such citizenship to the children of: (1) U.S. citizens or nationals; (2) lawful permanent resident aliens residing in the United States; and (3) aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 133:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Jan 4th 2007 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Elton Gallegly [R-CA24, 2003-2013] in the 110th congress
The bill would restrict birthright citizenship to children who are born in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction” thereof by defining “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States to mean a child born: (1) to married parents (though common law marriage is not sufficient), at least one of whom is a citizen, national, or lawful permanent resident (LPR) of the United States and maintains a residence here; (2) out of wedlock to a mother who is a U.S. citizen, national, or LPR and maintains her residence here; or (3) to a father who is a U.S.

H.R. 1868:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
Updated: Thu, Apr 2nd 2009 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 111th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011
Updated: Wed, Jan 5th 2011 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 112th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 1196:
LEAVE Act
Updated: Thu, Mar 17th 2011 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Gary Miller [R-CA31] in the 112th congress
The bill contains multiple provisions designed to help federal authorities enforce our immigration laws including mandatory employment verification, assistance by state and local law enforcement, additional ICE agents, and secure identification measures. More specifically, the LEAVE Act would:
Prohibit dealings that assist or encourage an illegal alien to cross the border or remain in the United States.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2013
Updated: Thu, Jan 3rd 2013 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 113th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."

...
There's plenty more - but that's enough for now.

Even when the GOP had the House, the Senate and Executive branches -- all them pro-posals...

Whadd 'appened?
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That was BT.... Before Trump.

If Plyler v Doyle was a ruling about jurisdiction giving birthright citizenship to those under any and all legal jurisdiction of US law, then why are illegals and legal aliens both not eligible for birthright citizenship if born on US territories of American Samoa or Swain Island?

Birthright citizenship in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly the US government has jurisdiction on its own territory, but aliens do not get citizenship if born in those territories.

Why if Plyler ruled on jurisdiction = birthright citizenship?
 
paperview said:
JimBowie1958 said:
Trump was talking about passing a law to restrict Birthright citizenship to legal parents, and disallowing illegal parents.
....
Click to expand...
I mean, it's not like this hasn't been tried...


Citizenship Reform Act of 1999
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 106th congress
Citizen Reform Act of 1999

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

S.J.Res. 6:
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.
Updated: Fri, Jan 16th 2009 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. David Vitter [R-LA] in the 111th congress
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.

H.R. 1363:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1995
Updated: Thu, Mar 30th 1995 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 104th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.R. 346:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 105th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 60:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time.
Updated: Thu, Mar 6th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. L. Callahan [R-AL1, 1985-2002] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time of the birth.

H.R. 7:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1997
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 105th congress

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 26:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Thu, Jan 9th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 319:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 106th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 10:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 106th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 59:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Fri, Jul 27th 2001 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 107th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 190:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 3rd 2001 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 107th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.R. 1567:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2003
Updated: Wed, Apr 2nd 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 108th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 44:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Mon, Mar 31st 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 42:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Mar 20th 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

S. 2117:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Thu, Dec 15th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 109th congress
The bill would mandate federal cooperation with state and local law enforcement and enlist retired law officers in watching the border. The bill would put an end to the birthright citizenship process that automatically grants citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.

H.R. 698:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2005
Updated: Wed, Feb 9th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 109th congress
The bill would end the process of granting automatic citizenship to the children born to illegal aliens in the United States.

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 46:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Apr 28th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.Res. 41:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Wed, Apr 13th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

S. 1269:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Wed, May 2nd 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 110th congress
The bill would establish, within Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW), which would authorize retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings, and would allow civilian volunteers to participate in the NBNW, provided CBP-defined criteria are met; would provide for fencing and security improvements along the southern U.S.

H.R. 1940:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Apr 19th 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 110th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting the granting of such citizenship to the children of: (1) U.S. citizens or nationals; (2) lawful permanent resident aliens residing in the United States; and (3) aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 133:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Jan 4th 2007 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Elton Gallegly [R-CA24, 2003-2013] in the 110th congress
The bill would restrict birthright citizenship to children who are born in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction” thereof by defining “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States to mean a child born: (1) to married parents (though common law marriage is not sufficient), at least one of whom is a citizen, national, or lawful permanent resident (LPR) of the United States and maintains a residence here; (2) out of wedlock to a mother who is a U.S. citizen, national, or LPR and maintains her residence here; or (3) to a father who is a U.S.

H.R. 1868:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
Updated: Thu, Apr 2nd 2009 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 111th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011
Updated: Wed, Jan 5th 2011 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 112th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 1196:
LEAVE Act
Updated: Thu, Mar 17th 2011 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Gary Miller [R-CA31] in the 112th congress
The bill contains multiple provisions designed to help federal authorities enforce our immigration laws including mandatory employment verification, assistance by state and local law enforcement, additional ICE agents, and secure identification measures. More specifically, the LEAVE Act would:
Prohibit dealings that assist or encourage an illegal alien to cross the border or remain in the United States.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2013
Updated: Thu, Jan 3rd 2013 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 113th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."

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There's plenty more - but that's enough for now.

Even when the GOP had the House, the Senate and Executive branches -- all them pro-posals...

Whadd 'appened?
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WOW... What an AMAZING collection of specific legislation by Congress to address citizenship that is SO CLEARLY defined in no uncertain terms by the 14th Amendment, according to you!

Yes... tell us.... What DID happen?
 
Boss said:
ThoughtCrimes said:
Boss said:
paddymurphy said:
This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
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Paddy, Camp, other morons... This is from the man who WROTE the damn 14th. I think he might be an "expert" on the subject.... since he WROTE it. Now, I want you to pay close attention to the part in red but also, pay closer attention to the words in purple. What are you reading? Is this computing incorrectly in your brains? Do you think we need to see about increasing your meds?
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Boss you have done it again! Your emphasized text above in the red and purple are all in the same group! Do you see any conjunction in there joining disparate groups of people? Of course not. That is because the sentence is referring to the persons who are born in the United States who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers are foreigners, aliens. Same words, with the same meaning put into 21st Century parlance.They are a single class of persons with regard to Amendment XIV!
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No... It's a lot of twisting and gyrating to find an alternative meaning in a sentence with way too many words to ever mean what you claim.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers...

So why is the red part even in the sentence? It's redundant. If it means what you claim, it doen't even need to be there... read the sentence without it. Obviously, foreign ambassadors and ministers are foreigners and aliens. I don't think in all our history we've ever had a foreign diplomat from another country who was an American citizen. So this doesn't regard parlance or what century, it's about sentence construction and comprehending basic English grammar.
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I already explained why that is in the sentence. It was pointed out to you how to read it correctly, but if you did you would be admitting error, which is something you have neither the dignity nor the honor to admit any error on your part!

Your "excuse" that the commas represent the conjunctive "or" is absolutely and astonishingly ABSURD! The portion of the quote you placed is anything but redundant. IT IS DECLARITIVE!!!! That class is the EXCEPTION in the Amendment the author of the sentence is talking about, and to which he goes on to say,"... but will include every other class of persons."

The author of Amendment XIV sets out the two classes of people, to which the first clause of the first Section applies and do not apply in that sentence you quoted! The children born in the US, the foreigners, aliens to those in diplomatic service to another Nation is the first class which is excluded and all other children born in the US and to those children born in the US to all other parents NOT in diplomatic service in the second class! You cited the author's declaration so you live with the meaning as the author intended. A comma is shorthand for "OR"? That is utterly laughable! Your damn dog must've eaten your homework daily for however long you were in school!

For your edification...
From Merriam-Webster On-line Dictionary:

obtuse -
1. .....
2. a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid
b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression
 
Boss said:
paddymurphy said:
I was referring to the portion of the 14th Amendment we have been discussing; you know, the one that states that any person born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen.
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Right... So, if I am not born in the United States AND "subject to geographical jurisdiction" (which is essentially the same thing), then I cannot be an American citizen. That is YOUR interpretation?
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No, they are not the same thing. They are different. If you were born in American Samoa or one of several US territories, you are subject to US jurisdiction but you have not been born in the geographical United States. Accordingly, you would not be a Natural Born US citizen per the 14th amendment. That is what numerous courts have held in addressing claims by people born in US territories to birthright citizenship. Here, for example:

The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." U.S. Const. amend. XIV, section 1. Both parties seem to agree that American Samoa is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, and other courts have concluded as much. See Pls.' Opp'n at 2; Defs.' Mem. at 14 (citing Rabang as noting that the territories are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States). But to be covered by the Citizenship Clause, a person must be born or naturalized "in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Thus, the key question becomes whether American Samoa qualifies as a part of the "United States" as that is used within the Citizenship Clause.8

The Supreme Court famously addressed the extent to which the Constitution applies in territories in a series of cases known as the Insular Cases.9 In these cases, the Supreme Court contrasted "incorporated" territories — those lands expressly made part of the United States by an act of Congress — with "unincorporated territories" that had not yet become part of the United States and were not on a path toward statehood. See, e.g., Downes, 182 U.S. at 312, 21 S.Ct. 770; Dorr v. United States, 195 U.S. 138, 143, 24 S.Ct. 808, 49 L.Ed. 128 (1904); see also United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 268, 110 S.Ct. 1056, 108 L.Ed.2d 222 (1990); Eche v. Holder, 694 F.3d 1026, 1031 (9th Cir.2012) (citing Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723, 757-58, 128 S.Ct. 2229, 171 L.Ed.2d 41 (2008)).10 In an unincorporated territory, the Insular Cases held that only certain "fundamental" constitutional
rights are extended to its inhabitants. Dorr, 195 U.S. at 148-49, 24 S.Ct. 808; Balzac v. Porto Rico, 258 U.S. 298, 312, 42 S.Ct. 343, 66 L.Ed. 627 (1922); see also Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. at 268, 110 S.Ct. 1056. While none of the Insular Cases directly addressed the Citizenship Clause, they suggested that citizenship was not a "fundamental" right that applied to unincorporated territories.
Tuaua v. US, 951 F.Supp.2d 88.
TUAUA v. U.S. | Leagle.com.
 
Boss said:
paperview said:
JimBowie1958 said:
Trump was talking about passing a law to restrict Birthright citizenship to legal parents, and disallowing illegal parents.
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I mean, it's not like this hasn't been tried...


Citizenship Reform Act of 1999
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 106th congress
Citizen Reform Act of 1999

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

S.J.Res. 6:
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.
Updated: Fri, Jan 16th 2009 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. David Vitter [R-LA] in the 111th congress
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.

H.R. 1363:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1995
Updated: Thu, Mar 30th 1995 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 104th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.R. 346:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 105th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 60:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time.
Updated: Thu, Mar 6th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. L. Callahan [R-AL1, 1985-2002] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time of the birth.

H.R. 7:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1997
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 105th congress

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 26:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Thu, Jan 9th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 319:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 106th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 10:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 106th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 59:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Fri, Jul 27th 2001 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 107th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 190:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 3rd 2001 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 107th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.R. 1567:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2003
Updated: Wed, Apr 2nd 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 108th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 44:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Mon, Mar 31st 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 42:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Mar 20th 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

S. 2117:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Thu, Dec 15th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 109th congress
The bill would mandate federal cooperation with state and local law enforcement and enlist retired law officers in watching the border. The bill would put an end to the birthright citizenship process that automatically grants citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.

H.R. 698:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2005
Updated: Wed, Feb 9th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 109th congress
The bill would end the process of granting automatic citizenship to the children born to illegal aliens in the United States.

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 46:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Apr 28th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.Res. 41:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Wed, Apr 13th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

S. 1269:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Wed, May 2nd 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 110th congress
The bill would establish, within Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW), which would authorize retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings, and would allow civilian volunteers to participate in the NBNW, provided CBP-defined criteria are met; would provide for fencing and security improvements along the southern U.S.

H.R. 1940:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Apr 19th 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 110th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting the granting of such citizenship to the children of: (1) U.S. citizens or nationals; (2) lawful permanent resident aliens residing in the United States; and (3) aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 133:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Jan 4th 2007 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Elton Gallegly [R-CA24, 2003-2013] in the 110th congress
The bill would restrict birthright citizenship to children who are born in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction” thereof by defining “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States to mean a child born: (1) to married parents (though common law marriage is not sufficient), at least one of whom is a citizen, national, or lawful permanent resident (LPR) of the United States and maintains a residence here; (2) out of wedlock to a mother who is a U.S. citizen, national, or LPR and maintains her residence here; or (3) to a father who is a U.S.

H.R. 1868:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
Updated: Thu, Apr 2nd 2009 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 111th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011
Updated: Wed, Jan 5th 2011 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 112th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 1196:
LEAVE Act
Updated: Thu, Mar 17th 2011 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Gary Miller [R-CA31] in the 112th congress
The bill contains multiple provisions designed to help federal authorities enforce our immigration laws including mandatory employment verification, assistance by state and local law enforcement, additional ICE agents, and secure identification measures. More specifically, the LEAVE Act would:
Prohibit dealings that assist or encourage an illegal alien to cross the border or remain in the United States.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2013
Updated: Thu, Jan 3rd 2013 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 113th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."

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There's plenty more - but that's enough for now.

Even when the GOP had the House, the Senate and Executive branches -- all them pro-posals...

Whadd 'appened?
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WOW... What an AMAZING collection of specific legislation by Congress to address citizenship that is SO CLEARLY defined in no uncertain terms by the 14th Amendment, according to you!

Yes... tell us.... What DID happen?
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Most of them proposed Amendments to the Constitution. Those that did not were proposed by folks as fucking uninformed about the law as you and JimBowie have proven to be these last couple of days.
 
For what it's worth, I was wrong about birthright citizenship being added to the US code in the 1960s. It was there in 1940, and without wasting more time and failing to get stuff done, must have been there prior to the Chinese Exclusion Acts, which in turn led to the Wong decision.
 
bendog said:
For what it's worth, I was wrong about birthright citizenship being added to the US code in the 1960s. It was there in 1940, and without wasting more time and failing to get stuff done, must have been there prior to the Chinese Exclusion Acts, which in turn led to the Wong decision.
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Birthright citizenship is a product of the 14th Amendment, not the US Code.
 
Syriusly said:
Redfish said:
Camp said:
Redfish said:
Camp said:
Redfish said:
that is the most ridiculous post yet on this thread. you get the idiot award for the day.
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Why?
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Uhhh, duh, because he is an idiot?
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That is not what I meant. What law determines that the child of a female prisoner of war born in the US or and/or under US jurisdiction would not be protected under the 14th Amendment?
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The 14th was written to grant citizenship to freed slaves. That is all it was written for. The interpretation being given today is WRONG
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No- thats not all it was written for.

My god- have you ever even read the Constitution?
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Yes, many times. But obviously you have not read it or studied any american history. You don't even understand what this country stands for.
 
paddymurphy said:
bendog said:
For what it's worth, I was wrong about birthright citizenship being added to the US code in the 1960s. It was there in 1940, and without wasting more time and failing to get stuff done, must have been there prior to the Chinese Exclusion Acts, which in turn led to the Wong decision.
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Birthright citizenship is a product of the 14th Amendment, not the US Code.
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the code assumed the 14th conferred birthright citizenship. I realize you disagree, but people smarter than you disagree with you.
 
Redfish said:
Syriusly said:
Redfish said:
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Camp said:
Why?
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Uhhh, duh, because he is an idiot?
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That is not what I meant. What law determines that the child of a female prisoner of war born in the US or and/or under US jurisdiction would not be protected under the 14th Amendment?
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The 14th was written to grant citizenship to freed slaves. That is all it was written for. The interpretation being given today is WRONG
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No- thats not all it was written for.

My god- have you ever even read the Constitution?
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Yes, many times. But obviously you have not read it or studied any american history. You don't even understand what this country stands for.
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I may disagree with you about what the United States stands for- but I clearly understand it far better than you do.
 
paddymurphy said:
Boss said:
paddymurphy said:
I was referring to the portion of the 14th Amendment we have been discussing; you know, the one that states that any person born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen.
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Right... So, if I am not born in the United States AND "subject to geographical jurisdiction" (which is essentially the same thing), then I cannot be an American citizen. That is YOUR interpretation?
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No, they are not the same thing. They are different. If you were born in American Samoa or one of several US territories, you are subject to US jurisdiction but you have not been born in the geographical United States. Accordingly, you would not be a Natural Born US citizen per the 14th amendment. That is what numerous courts have held in addressing claims by people born in US territories to birthright citizenship. Here, for example:

The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." U.S. Const. amend. XIV, section 1. Both parties seem to agree that American Samoa is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, and other courts have concluded as much. See Pls.' Opp'n at 2; Defs.' Mem. at 14 (citing Rabang as noting that the territories are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States). But to be covered by the Citizenship Clause, a person must be born or naturalized "in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Thus, the key question becomes whether American Samoa qualifies as a part of the "United States" as that is used within the Citizenship Clause.8

The Supreme Court famously addressed the extent to which the Constitution applies in territories in a series of cases known as the Insular Cases.9 In these cases, the Supreme Court contrasted "incorporated" territories — those lands expressly made part of the United States by an act of Congress — with "unincorporated territories" that had not yet become part of the United States and were not on a path toward statehood. See, e.g., Downes, 182 U.S. at 312, 21 S.Ct. 770; Dorr v. United States, 195 U.S. 138, 143, 24 S.Ct. 808, 49 L.Ed. 128 (1904); see also United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 268, 110 S.Ct. 1056, 108 L.Ed.2d 222 (1990); Eche v. Holder, 694 F.3d 1026, 1031 (9th Cir.2012) (citing Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723, 757-58, 128 S.Ct. 2229, 171 L.Ed.2d 41 (2008)).10 In an unincorporated territory, the Insular Cases held that only certain "fundamental" constitutional
rights are extended to its inhabitants. Dorr, 195 U.S. at 148-49, 24 S.Ct. 808; Balzac v. Porto Rico, 258 U.S. 298, 312, 42 S.Ct. 343, 66 L.Ed. 627 (1922); see also Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. at 268, 110 S.Ct. 1056. While none of the Insular Cases directly addressed the Citizenship Clause, they suggested that citizenship was not a "fundamental" right that applied to unincorporated territories.
Tuaua v. US, 951 F.Supp.2d 88.
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No, they are not the same thing. They are different. If you were born in American Samoa or one of several US territories, you are subject to US jurisdiction but you have not been born in the geographical United States. Accordingly, you would not be a Natural Born US citizen per the 14th amendment. That is what numerous courts have held in addressing claims by people born in US territories to birthright citizenship. Here, for example:

The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." U.S. Const. amend. XIV, section 1. Both parties seem to agree that American Samoa is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, and other courts have concluded as much. See Pls.' Opp'n at 2; Defs.' Mem. at 14 (citing Rabang as noting that the territories are "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States). But to be covered by the Citizenship Clause, a person must be born or naturalized "in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Thus, the key question becomes whether American Samoa qualifies as a part of the "United States" as that is used within the Citizenship Clause.8

The Supreme Court famously addressed the extent to which the Constitution applies in territories in a series of cases known as the Insular Cases.9 In these cases, the Supreme Court contrasted "incorporated" territories — those lands expressly made part of the United States by an act of Congress — with "unincorporated territories" that had not yet become part of the United States and were not on a path toward statehood. See, e.g., Downes, 182 U.S. at 312, 21 S.Ct. 770; Dorr v. United States, 195 U.S. 138, 143, 24 S.Ct. 808, 49 L.Ed. 128 (1904); see also United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 268, 110 S.Ct. 1056, 108 L.Ed.2d 222 (1990); Eche v. Holder, 694 F.3d 1026, 1031 (9th Cir.2012) (citing Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723, 757-58, 128 S.Ct. 2229, 171 L.Ed.2d 41 (2008)).10 In an unincorporated territory, the Insular Cases held that only certain "fundamental" constitutional
rights are extended to its inhabitants. Dorr, 195 U.S. at 148-49, 24 S.Ct. 808; Balzac v. Porto Rico, 258 U.S. 298, 312, 42 S.Ct. 343, 66 L.Ed. 627 (1922); see also Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. at 268, 110 S.Ct. 1056. While none of the Insular Cases directly addressed the Citizenship Clause, they suggested that citizenship was not a "fundamental" right that applied to unincorporated territories.
Tuaua v. US, 951 F.Supp.2d 88.
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Syriusly said:
Redfish said:
paddymurphy said:
Id
Redfish said:
Camp said:
Redfish said:
Uhhh, duh, because he is an idiot?
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That is not what I meant. What law determines that the child of a female prisoner of war born in the US or and/or under US jurisdiction would not be protected under the 14th Amendment?
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The 14th was written to grant citizenship to freed slaves. That is all it was written for. The interpretation being given today is WRONG
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that If were true, why would they have debated and discussed Chinese and other foreigners? Like they did here:
Senator Howard’s brief introduction of his amendment confirmed its plain meaning:

“Mr. HOWARD. … This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”[21]

This understanding was universally adopted by other Senators. Howard’s colleagues vigorously debated the wisdom of his amendment – indeed, some opposed it precisely because they opposed extending birthright citizenship to the children of aliens of different races. But no Senator disputed the meaning of the amendment with respect to alien children.

Senator Edgar Cowan (R-PA) – who would later vote against the entire constitutional amendment anyway – was the first to speak in opposition to extending birthright citizenship to the children of foreigners. Cowan declared that, “if [a state] were overrun by another and a different race, it would have the right to absolutely expel them.” He feared that the Howard amendment would effectively deprive states of the authority to expel persons of different races – in particular, the Gypsies in his home state of Pennsylvania and the Chinese in California – by granting their children citizenship and thereby enabling foreign populations to overrun the country. Cowan objected especially to granting birthright citizenship to the children of aliens who “owe [the U.S.] no allegiance [and] who pretend to owe none,” and to those who regularly commit “trespass” within the U.S.[22]

In response, proponents of the Howard amendment endorsed Cowan’s interpretation. Senator John Conness (R-CA) responded specifically to Cowan’s concerns about extending birthright citizenship to the children of Chinese immigrants:

“The proposition before us … relates simply in that respect to the children begotten of Chinese parents in California, and it is proposed to declare that they shall be citizens. … I am in favor of doing so. … We are entirely ready to accept the provision proposed in this constitutional amendment, that the children born here of Mongolian parents shall be declared by the Constitution of the United States to be entitled to civil rights and to equal protection before the law with others.”

Conness acknowledged Cowan’s dire predictions of foreign overpopulation, but explained that, although legally correct, Cowan’s parade of horribles would not be realized, because most Chinese would not take advantage of such rights although entitled to them. He noted that most Chinese work and then return to their home countries, rather than start families in the U.S. Conness thus concluded that, if Cowan “knew as much of the Chinese and their habits as he professes to do of the Gypsies, … he would not be alarmed.”[23]

No Senator took issue with the consensus interpretation adopted by Howard, Cowan, and Conness. To be sure, one interpretive dispute did arise. Senators disagreed over whether the Howard amendment would extend birthright citizenship to the children of Indians. For although Indian tribes resided within U.S. territory, weren’t they also sovereign entities not subject to the jurisdiction of Congress?

Whatever the correct legal answer to the question of Indian tribes, it is clearly beside the point.
Some Senators clearly thought so. Howard urged that Indian tribes “always have been in our legislation and jurisprudence, as being quasi foreign nations” and thus could not be deemed subject to U.S. law. Senator Lyman Trumbull (D-IL) agreed, noting that “it would be a violation of our treaty obligations … to extend our laws over these Indian tribes with whom we have made treaties saying we would not do it.” Trumbull insisted that Indian tribes “are not subject to our jurisdiction in the sense of owing allegiance solely to the United States,” for “t is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens.”[24]

Senators Reverdy Johnson (D-MD) and Thomas Hendricks (D-IN) disagreed, contending that the U.S. could extend its laws to Indian tribes and had done so on occasion.[25] Senator James R. Doolittle (R-WI) proposed to put all doubt to rest by adding the words “excluding Indians not taxed” (borrowing from language in Article I) to the Howard amendment.[26] But although there was virtual consensus that birthright citizenship should not be extended to the children of Indian tribal members,[27] a majority of Senators saw no need for clarification. The Senate ultimately defeated Doolittle’s amendment by a 10–30 vote, and then adopted the Howard text without recorded vote.[28]

Whatever the correct legal answer to the question of Indian tribes, it is clearly beside the point. The status of Indian tribes under U.S. law may have been ambiguous to members of the 39th Congress. But there is no doubt that foreign countries enjoy no such sovereign status within U.S. borders. And there is likewise no doubt that U.S. law applies to their nationals who enter U.S. territory.

Defining 'American': Birthright Citizenship And The 14th Amendment

Sorry but you are clueless.
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Hmmm, I seem to have missed the words "anchor babies". Can you point them out for us?

Nowhere in that discussion is the current issue discussed, i.e. a pregnant woman entering the country days before giving birth solely in order to make her child an american citizen and thereby allowing her and her husband to stay in this country.

That is what is going on today and its a violation of the 14th amendment and the intent of the the writers of that amendment.
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Here is the relevant portion of the 14th Amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States

Where does it say 'except Anchor babies"?
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don't be more ridiculous than you already are. of course it does not mention anchor babies, the concept was not even thought of in those days.

I am not questioning the words of the 14th amendment, I understand what the words say. What I am trying to get through your thick skull is that the drafters of that amendment did not, and could not, comtemplate that their words would ever be used to grant citizenship to the children of people in this country illegally. Illegally is a term of art in this discussion. It means what it meant at the time, not what it is being interpreted to mean today.
 
Syriusly said:
Redfish said:
Syriusly said:
Redfish said:
Camp said:
Redfish said:
Uhhh, duh, because he is an idiot?
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That is not what I meant. What law determines that the child of a female prisoner of war born in the US or and/or under US jurisdiction would not be protected under the 14th Amendment?
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The 14th was written to grant citizenship to freed slaves. That is all it was written for. The interpretation being given today is WRONG
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No- thats not all it was written for.

My god- have you ever even read the Constitution?
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Yes, many times. But obviously you have not read it or studied any american history. You don't even understand what this country stands for.
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I may disagree with you about what the United States stands for- but I clearly understand it far better than you do.
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you obviously do not. are you a product of the teachers union?
 
JimBowie1958 said:
paperview said:
JimBowie1958 said:
Trump was talking about passing a law to restrict Birthright citizenship to legal parents, and disallowing illegal parents.
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I mean, it's not like this hasn't been tried...


Citizenship Reform Act of 1999
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 106th congress
Citizen Reform Act of 1999

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

S.J.Res. 6:
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.
Updated: Fri, Jan 16th 2009 @ 12:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. David Vitter [R-LA] in the 111th congress
A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to United States citizenship.

H.R. 1363:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1995
Updated: Thu, Mar 30th 1995 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 104th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.R. 346:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 105th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 60:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time.
Updated: Thu, Mar 6th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. L. Callahan [R-AL1, 1985-2002] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen on account of birth in the United States unless a parent is a United States citizen at the time of the birth.

H.R. 7:
Citizenship Reform Act of 1997
Updated: Tue, Jan 7th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Brian Bilbray [R-CA50, 2006-2013] in the 105th congress

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 26:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Thu, Jan 9th 1997 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 105th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 319:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 106th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.J.Res. 10:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 6th 1999 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 106th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 59:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States.
Updated: Fri, Jul 27th 2001 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 107th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, is lawfully in the United States, or has a lawful immigration status at the time of the birth.

H.R. 190:
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual’s birth in the United States.
Updated: Wed, Jan 3rd 2001 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Robert Stump [R-AZ3, 1977-2002] in the 107th congress
To clarify the effect on the citizenship of an individual of the individual's birth in the United States.

H.R. 1567:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2003
Updated: Wed, Apr 2nd 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 108th congress
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 44:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Mon, Mar 31st 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

H.J.Res. 42:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Mar 20th 2003 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 108th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

S. 2117:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Thu, Dec 15th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 109th congress
The bill would mandate federal cooperation with state and local law enforcement and enlist retired law officers in watching the border. The bill would put an end to the birthright citizenship process that automatically grants citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens.

H.R. 698:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2005
Updated: Wed, Feb 9th 2005 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 109th congress
The bill would end the process of granting automatic citizenship to the children born to illegal aliens in the United States.

To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to deny citizenship at birth to children born in the United States of parents who are not citizens or permanent resident aliens.

H.J.Res. 46:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.
Updated: Thu, Apr 28th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Ronald “Ron” Paul [R-TX14, 1997-2013] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to deny United States citizenship to individuals born in the United States to parents who are neither United States citizens nor persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States.

H.J.Res. 41:
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen.
Updated: Wed, Apr 13th 2005 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Mark Foley [R-FL16, 1995-2006] in the 109th congress
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to provide that no person born in the United States will be a United States citizen unless a parent is a United States citizen, or is lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States, at the time of the birth.

S. 1269:
ENFORCE Act
Updated: Wed, May 2nd 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Sen. James “Jim” Inhofe [R-OK] in the 110th congress
The bill would establish, within Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW), which would authorize retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings, and would allow civilian volunteers to participate in the NBNW, provided CBP-defined criteria are met; would provide for fencing and security improvements along the southern U.S.

H.R. 1940:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Apr 19th 2007 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 110th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting the granting of such citizenship to the children of: (1) U.S. citizens or nationals; (2) lawful permanent resident aliens residing in the United States; and (3) aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 133:
Citizenship Reform Act of 2007
Updated: Thu, Jan 4th 2007 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Elton Gallegly [R-CA24, 2003-2013] in the 110th congress
The bill would restrict birthright citizenship to children who are born in the United States and “subject to the jurisdiction” thereof by defining “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States to mean a child born: (1) to married parents (though common law marriage is not sufficient), at least one of whom is a citizen, national, or lawful permanent resident (LPR) of the United States and maintains a residence here; (2) out of wedlock to a mother who is a U.S. citizen, national, or LPR and maintains her residence here; or (3) to a father who is a U.S.

H.R. 1868:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009
Updated: Thu, Apr 2nd 2009 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Nathan Deal [R-GA9, 2007-2010] in the 111th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2011
Updated: Wed, Jan 5th 2011 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 112th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.

H.R. 1196:
LEAVE Act
Updated: Thu, Mar 17th 2011 @ 4:00 am EDT

Sponsored by: Rep. Gary Miller [R-CA31] in the 112th congress
The bill contains multiple provisions designed to help federal authorities enforce our immigration laws including mandatory employment verification, assistance by state and local law enforcement, additional ICE agents, and secure identification measures. More specifically, the LEAVE Act would:
Prohibit dealings that assist or encourage an illegal alien to cross the border or remain in the United States.

H.R. 140:
Birthright Citizenship Act of 2013
Updated: Thu, Jan 3rd 2013 @ 5:00 am EST

Sponsored by: Rep. Steve King [R-IA4] in the 113th congress
The bill would eliminate birthright citizenship for the children born to illegal aliens in the United States by limiting citizenship to the children born to U.S. citizens or nationals, lawful permanent resident aliens in the United States, and aliens performing active service in the armed forces.

To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth."

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There's plenty more - but that's enough for now.

Even when the GOP had the House, the Senate and Executive branches -- all them pro-posals...

Whadd 'appened?
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That was BT.... Before Trump.

If Plyler v Doyle was a ruling about jurisdiction giving birthright citizenship to those under any and all legal jurisdiction of US law, then why are illegals and legal aliens both not eligible for birthright citizenship if born on US territories of American Samoa or Swain Island?

Birthright citizenship in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly the US government has jurisdiction on its own territory, but aliens do not get citizenship if born in those territories.

Why if Plyler ruled on jurisdiction = birthright citizenship?
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States

Someone born on American Samoa may be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States- but was not born in the United States.

Both parts must be met.

Plyler v. Doe says that an illegal alien born within the United States, is subject to the the jurisdiction of the United States.

It says nothing about illegal aliens born outside the United States.
 
bendog said:
paddymurphy said:
bendog said:
For what it's worth, I was wrong about birthright citizenship being added to the US code in the 1960s. It was there in 1940, and without wasting more time and failing to get stuff done, must have been there prior to the Chinese Exclusion Acts, which in turn led to the Wong decision.
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Birthright citizenship is a product of the 14th Amendment, not the US Code.
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the code assumed the 14th conferred birthright citizenship. I realize you disagree, but people smarter than you disagree with you.
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Disagree with what? Birthright citizenship is a product of the 14th Amendment. No one disagrees with that. And, yes, after the 14th Amendment was passed birthright citizenship was extended by statute to others. What that has to do with this discussion is the question.
 
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