Trump cannot be Guilty of Obstruction concerning Comey

[sealybobo]

Call Sign Chaos, post: 17475341

That firing the director of the FBI is obstruction and that Trump bragged about said obstruction to the Russians.

Trump did brag to the Russians about firing nutjob Comey and Trump told them he thought that firing would relieve the pressure of the investigation.

Firing an FBI Director is not obstruction when there is a reason to do it other than wanting loyalty from Coney and Comey to ease up on Flynn and lift the cloud on Trump personally and to take pressure off the investigation.

Then Trump declares Comey handled Clinton emails poorly to be the reason for the firing, then Trump counters his own spokespeople saying that it was to ease the pressure of the investigation by the nut job Comey.

Your orange buffon can't handle the job. Can't keep his own mouth shut about the real improper reason he fired Comey.

Do you think he's really willing to testify under oath?

Trump Willing To Testify Under Oath About Russia And Comey | HuffPost

 

[jc456]

What are you talking about Mark Warner and s bunch of Democrats agree their was no collusion... Stop making stuff up



Where’s The Beef?: Democrats And Republicans Agree There’s No There There





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So you respect what Democrat Mark Warner has to say?

The top Democrat on the Senate panel that heard from fired FBI Director James Comey on Thursday said President Donald Trump appears to have violated post-Watergate guidelines meant to protect the independence of federal investigations.

Trump’s request that Comey “lift the cloud” of the Russia investigations in calls on March 30 and April 11, as Comey described in a statement released Wednesday, appeared to be an influence to co-opt the FBI director, Warner said.

He said Comey’s prepared testimony is “disturbing.”

Republicans said Comey “plays fast and loose with the truth.” Democrats said his opening remarks alone showed Trump had lied four times about his interactions with the former FBI director.

Warner also cited Comey’s descriptions of Trump telling Comey that he needed and expected loyalty, his urging Comey to go easy on former national security adviser Michael Flynn, and allegations Trump was pressuring senior intelligence community leaders to downplay the Russia investigation or intervene with Comey.

“This is not how a president of the United States behaves,” Warner said.

Why you changing the goal.posts we are talking about your assnine claim democrats think there was collusion...



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I consider Michael Flynn evidence. What did he talk about with Russia? I wouldn't ask him because he's a liar. And Trump hired him and said he's a good guy. No he's not Don, he's a liar.

• He potentially discussed sanctions with a Russian ambassador
• He misrepresented or lied about his conversations with the Russian ambassador
• He was vulnerable to blackmail

And wait just a second!!!

Analysis | Did Trump just acknowledge (in a tweet, of course) that he told Comey to back off Michael Flynn?

dude, it doesn't matter. he's allowed to.

Would it have been ok for Obama to tell the FBI to drop the case on Hillary? You will say yes now that Trump did it so really I can't even stand talking to you incredible losers and liars. Trump was right. He could murder someone on TV and you'd defend him. Sad.

yep! he could have pardoned her as well. why would it be any different?

 

[jc456]

Call Sign Chaos, post: 17475341

That firing the director of the FBI is obstruction and that Trump bragged about said obstruction to the Russians.

Trump did brag to the Russians about firing nutjob Comey and Trump told them he thought that firing would relieve the pressure of the investigation.

Firing an FBI Director is not obstruction when there is a reason to do it other than wanting loyalty from Coney and Comey to ease up on Flynn and lift the cloud on Trump personally and to take pressure off the investigation.

Then Trump declares Comey handled Clinton emails poorly to be the reason for the firing, then Trump counters his own spokespeople saying that it was to ease the pressure of the investigation by the nut job Comey.

Your orange buffon can't handle the job. Can't keep his own mouth shut about the real improper reason he fired Comey.

need a tissue?

 

[Boss]

My mistake - you didn't vote for Trump

Your mistake- Flynn was under investigation

Comey Confirms Michael Flynn Under Investigation For Lying To FBI | HuffPost
WASHINGTON ― Former FBI director James Comey confirmed to the Senate Intelligence Committee that the FBI was investigating former national security adviser Michael Flynn on suspicion of lying to FBI agents.

If you care to dispute this, site your sources please.

All I see is a video of Comey stating repeatedly that he can't discuss it in an open setting. He mentions once, "subject of the criminal inquiry" but he never says Flynn was or is under criminal investigation. In his previous testimony to Congress, Comey stated that they "looked into Flynn's conversations" and referred them to the State Dept. as a possible ethics matter.

Virtually ALL mainstream sources are sketchy these days. I hate to be that way but they leave me no alternative. They have completely blown all objective credibility with me and they don't get that back. If you want to just believe the headlines of what they tell you, that's fine... I dig deeper into actual facts that I can confirm.

I don't believe Gen. Flynn is under any sort of criminal investigation and I believe Comey was being intentionally vague on that because he proved himself to be a partisan political operative with his own testimony. He has politicized his position by his own admission and therefore, we cannot trust his objectivity when it comes to Trump or Trump's associates.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

jc456, post: 17475364

well it isn't. I'm sorry, but prove me wrong. Is trump under arrest?

You don't arrest a President - we impeach them, even for a misdemeanor, such as abuse of power, and profiting from his lofty position. His low approval rating could scare enough GOP House Members to conclude they could lose the House in the Mid-Terms.

Hell, Pence can declare Trump unfit to serve and take over.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

jc456, post: 17475674

need a tissue?

Tears of joy, and overwhelming hilarity at what a total assinine unprepared unfit mentally unstable buffoon, self-declared sexual assaulter, the GOP put in the White House.

 

[jc456]

jc456, post: 17475674

need a tissue?

Tears of joy, and overwhelming hilarity at what a total assinine unprepared unfit mentally unstable buffoon, self-declared sexual assaulter, the GOP put in the White House.

people put him in the white house, voters. It's ashame you have no respect for 63 million voters. well that tells me all I need to know about your scummie little ass.

 

[jc456]

jc456, post: 17475364

well it isn't. I'm sorry, but prove me wrong. Is trump under arrest?

You don't arrest a President - we impeach them, even for a misdemeanor, such as abuse of power, and profiting from his lofty position. His low approval rating could scare enough GOP House Members to conclude they could lose the House in the Mid-Terms.

Hell, Pence can declare Trump unfit to serve and take over.

how else do you remove him?

 

[Boss]

You don't think firing the guy in charge of an investigation shows intent to affect the investigation? Trumps actions before the firing involved passive talk and enuendo which was considered by most as inappropriate but not illegal. The firing was a much more direct action, how can you not acknowledge it's significance

Again... NO... it doesn't. Prima facie... the investigation was not hindered, halted, obstructed, affected or changed in any way by Comey's dismissal. In fact, it could be actually argued that firing him causes the opposite effect. It actually relieves Comey from being under the purview of the AG and the Executive Branch and any consequential confidentiality that would entail. He is now completely free to disclose anything he pleases without fear of reprisal and what he delivered was a deluxe nothing burger, no cheese, no pickle, no bun, with a side of imaginary air fries.

What we actually learned was the previous AG certainly DID obstruct justice and Comey complied and together they were guilty of influencing an election. We also learned that Comey violated ethics and probably the law by leaking privileged information of a private conversation with the president to the media.

 

[Iceweasel]

Trump’s attempt to make Comey pledge personal loyalty to him is of major concern for people who believe in the rule of law. But on Thursday morning, Trump’s favorite TV show FOX AND FRIENDS framed that part of Comey’s testimony as something any CEO would do.

The rule of law is the president can order investigations or stop them at will. Explain what would be illegal if he did order Comey to stop, which he didn't.

 

[Iceweasel]

jc456, post: 17475364

well it isn't. I'm sorry, but prove me wrong. Is trump under arrest?

You don't arrest a President - we impeach them, even for a misdemeanor, such as abuse of power, and profiting from his lofty position. His low approval rating could scare enough GOP House Members to conclude they could lose the House in the Mid-Terms.

Hell, Pence can declare Trump unfit to serve and take over.

In which case Pence would get the same treatment. But it ain't happening junior. It's just a leftist wet dream.

 

[RASTAMEN]

The answer to the first question is: Criminal obstruction of justice is broadly defined, and according to 18 U.S. Code § 1503, includes “any threatening letter or communication [which] influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice.”

Hey pencil-dick. The President said to James "Bitch" Comey, I hope you can let this go. Flynn is a good man who has been treated unjustly.

And that was it by Comey's own snippy testimony.

If you think that was obstruction of justice, you belong in a gulag. Idiot.

LOL Really frosts your agates to realize that the fat senile old orange clown cannot get away with obstruction of justice, doesn't it. You long for a person like Putin or Pol Pot.

Trump has been corrupt, has lied his entire adult life. Now, Trump must try and defeat the Constitution! Good luck.

 

[RASTAMEN]

A former counsel to the Watergate investigation says there is enough there to warrant a obstruction of justice charge against Trump if Mueller wanted one. There are different opinions.

Yeah..no. If the democrats have the votes they can impeach regardless of Trump not doing anything wrong....

Not true.
The grounds for impeachment are:
"The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia

Now where has there been proven Treason by Trump? Or proven "bribery", or other high crimes and misdemeanors".
Now Bill Clinton was impeached for Perjury and obstruction of justice.

Give it time. 3.5 years of investigations is a long time. The only question is can Trump and his band of crooks survive!!!!

 

[Boss]

Trump has been corrupt, has lied his entire adult life. Now, Trump must try and defeat the Constitution! Good luck.

That's just TOO funny. He's never been indicted or really even accused of anything illegal. YOU are the fuckers trying to subvert the Constitution on a daily basis. You've violated his civil rights, used the national intelligence assets to spy on him, probed him six ways from Sunday and you've come up completely empty on all fronts. Other than a couple of speculative blips regarding some of his associates, you've not presented any damn thing, even WITH all the illegal criminal activity you've engaged in to try and find something.

And now, you want to get up on your fucking moral high horse!

I gotta hand it to ya... you people have got some kahones!

 

[RASTAMEN]

I've been asking all along... If the investigations continue, how were they obstructed? Nothing Trump has done had any effect on the investigations. He may have asked Comey to ease off Flynn or make it clear he wasn't personally under investigation, but that's not obstruction. Asking for Comey's loyalty is also, prima facie, not obstruction!

Put on your objectivity hat if you can find it for a second. Trump asked Comey to stay on as director of the FBI, asked for his loyalty, asked for him to let the Flynn thing go, then proceeded to compliment Comey on the excellent job he was doing. Once Trump saw that Comey was not dropping the investigation he fired him. Im not saying that is lock n key obstruction but it is dangerously close. The firing was the action that could be taken as intent to slow, prohibit, discourage they continuation of an investigation that Trump obviously wants to be over. If the investigation had nothing to do with Trumps campaign then I'd agree with your point and Dershowitz's point but its more complicated than that. Do you really not see the issue here?

Once Trump saw that Comey was not dropping the investigation he fired him

That's YOUR presumption but not what Trump said. And again, the firing of Comey had no effect on the investigation whatsoever. In fact, it created a scenario by which Comey becomes a private citizen and no longer subject to the confidentiality required of his position.

Now, put on YOUR objectivity hat... Trump fired Comey because he was incompetent and up until a few days before his firing, you have prominent Democrats on record, calling for his firing on that basis. Nothing about Comey's firing had any effect on the investigation other than to free Comey from being under purview of the AG. If Comey were knowledgeable of any incriminating evidence against Trump, it would've been to Trump's advantage for him to remain as FBI Director under the direct authority of Trump's AG. This absolutely destroys the entire argument.

It doesn't really destroy the argument, Trump making a rash emotional decision without thinking it through also would explain it. And from the way they WH handled the aftermath of the firing, i'd say that was a likely explanation.

Trump said that firing Comey "eased great pressure" in regards to the Russia investigation. How do you not think that it was the reason for his firing. It was obviously because of something he said in his testimony to Congress... which was about the Russia investigation. Are you really not seeing it?

Putin directed Trump to FIRE Trump.

 

[Boss]

Give it time. 3.5 years of investigations is a long time. The only question is can Trump and his band of crooks survive!!!!

I don't think you're gonna have that much time. I think when you get your fucking clocks cleaned in the midterms, that's gonna put an end to all this shit. If not, your party is doomed.... it may already be.

 

[RASTAMEN]

Firing the director of the body investigating him or his campaign

Did that action obstruct the investigation, yes or no?

Yes--it was clearly intended to.

Please explain how that is so? We have testimony from the Deputy Director that completely contradicts this. FBI Investigations are not conducted by the Director. He simply directs the department. Their investigations and work continue in his absence. What if Comey died? Would that end all the investigations the FBI was currently working on? Of course not!

The investigations have continued on unabated since Comey's firing.... plain factual truth of the matter that Comey's firing didn't impede or obstruct anything. You have to be a complete moron not to understand that.... but then, look who we're talking to here!

So you actually expect us to believe that the Director of the FBI has no impact on the investigations conducted by the FBI? Are you nuts? Why do you think Trump went to Comey to shut it down?

Trump went to Comey to shut what down? Employees surfing porn while on the job? What in the hell are you ranting about?

All you Trump voters have got to get it thru your Neanderthal brains is Trump won't survive these investigations over 3.5 year period in office. Trump is done.

 

[RASTAMEN]

A former counsel to the Watergate investigation says there is enough there to warrant a obstruction of justice charge against Trump if Mueller wanted one. There are different opinions.

Yeah..no. If the democrats have the votes they can impeach regardless of Trump not doing anything wrong....

The only way that the Democrats could impeach the fat senile old orange clown is if a considerable number of Republicans also voted to impeach. How many people has the clown offended in the GOP?

Democrats (voters) must win the mid-term in 2018 and 2020 to impeach Trump! You can't depend on the GOP to do their constitutional duties.

 

[RASTAMEN]

Trump did exactly what Nixon did and tried to interfere or influence the FBI investigation ... Maybe what the lefties have been saying all along about Trump and the Russian's connections have truth to it as well..

We are just beginning to see the heads roll...

You keep regurgitating the same garbage hoping to make this Watergate. Nixon broke laws and tried to cover them up. It isn't remotely the same. You are lying.

We will see... Cover -ups may have happened with the Russian connections in his cabinet and campaign.

So now what?

Mueler.

It's already been concluded that Trump did not collude with the Russians.

That's FALSE. Trump still has a Russian problem. Trump most deliver for Putin or Putin will spill the beans on Trump, especially when Putin realizes Trump is of no further value.

 

[RASTAMEN]

We will see... Cover -ups may have happened with the Russian connections in his cabinet and campaign.

So now what?

Mueler.

It's already been concluded that Trump did not collude with the Russians.

So there's nothing to worry about....

Not for us. You guys have hit yet another dead end road.

Trump is dirty, corrupt and has committed TREASON! tRUMP will either resign by 2020 or be impeached.