Trump Has Been Arrested For Creating Illegal Electors In Seven States

[Rawley]

From the 12th Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

Uh, which is exactly what the "fake" electors did. So ask yourself why you are calling them fake, claiming what they did was illegal and trying to put them in prison.

 

[bripat9643]

The illegal certifications were sent to the Senate. Pence refused to accept them.

Read. The. Indictment.

Who says they were illegal?

 

[martybegan]

The illegal certifications were sent to the Senate. Pence refused to accept them.

Read. The. Indictment.

Crap. in. print. is. still. crap.

 

[g5000]

I do not like Trump, however, there are worse things than Trump.
The illegal war in the Ukraine, illegal economic sanctions on Russia, the prices doubling on everything, illegal attempts to bias an election, etc., are even worse than Trump.

Yes, Putin's war in Ukraine is most definitely illegal. Our support of Ukraine is not.

The polls in 2020 said Trump was going to get almost twice that of Biden

The polls in 2016 said Clinton had a 98 percent chance of winning.

Trump's highest approval rating during his presidency was 49 percent. The lowest high in history. And you expected him to win?

When he left office, his approval was 34 percent.

Trump knew he lost. He knew before the election he was going to lose and he began constructing his Big Lie before then.

 

[g5000]

Who says they were illegal?

I have explained several times already.

Read. The. Indictment.

Why do you rubes continue to parrot the lies fed to you and refuse to read the indictment?

This is very fucking weird.

 

[Dragonlady]

So now Mississippi can prosecute abortions in NY?

The Statue can say anything it wants, but a State can only prosecute things that happen in THEIR STATE.

No, they cannot. Because abortion isn't illegal in NY, but election interference is illegal in every state of the Union, and the election they were interefering in, was located in Georgia, even if some of their actions happened outside the state.

And because New York law contains protections for New York doctors and citizens assisting out of state patients. That hasn't stopped the AG's of some Red states from demanding medical records of young women suspected of going out of state for an abortion, and trying to prosecute these women, but I doubt this would pass SC muster if they try it.

If you commit wire fraud on victims in New York, but the office you make the call from is in Georgia, you can still be charged by New York State, even though you were outside the state while committing the crime. Otherwise all crime syndicates would conspire and complete all of their prep work outside the jurisdiction of their crimes, to reduce their overall criminal exposure if caught.

One of the reasons so many phone scams operate from Canada or the Carribbean into the USA, is because of the difficulties of prosecuting people who aren't in the same country as the crime. Between two US states is easy peasy to prosecute.

 

[g5000]

You don't ask for a pardon if you have not broken the law.

So there's a clue.

Trump lawyer John Eastman sought presidential pardon after January 6

Disclosure from Capitol attack committee suggests consciousness of guilt in unlawful scheme to return Trump to White House

www.theguardian.com

Trump gave Eastman the finger. Trump decided if he was going down, he was taking all his co-conspirators down with him.

 

[bripat9643]

I have explained several times already.

Read. The. Indictment.

Why do you rubes continue to parrot the lies fed to you and refuse to read the indictment?

This is very fucking weird.

That doesn't prove a thing, moron. It only shows what Fani Willis wants you to believe. An indictment is proof of nothing.

 

[Rigby5]

For some people, the topic title might be a "Duh!" moment.

But a number of forum members are unaware of the fact the guy in my avatar has been arrested for creating illegal electors and attempting to overthrow our democracy. He has also been arrested for other crimes related to his attempted coup.

I don't know if their ignorance is because they avoid the news or if the media outlets they do watch have not informed them of these facts.

We know they are ignorant of the reason for his arrest because an astounding number of them keep asking why Al Gore was not arrested. At least twice a day someone asks this question, and many topics have been started asking this question.

So it has become necessary to let them in on why this guy was arrested.

For example, in Georgia the election has to be certified by the secretary of state and the governor. They then authorize which electors are allowed to send their vote count to the US Senate.

This is the law, for every obvious reasons. You can't have a bunch of maniacs deciding to send umpteen slates of electors to the US Senate. The electors have to be appointed by the state.

Trump and his criminal organization decided to be maniacs and send an illegal slate to the US Senate. They met in secret and sent their fake certification to the Senate.

When the coup failed, Trump's co-conspirators asked for pardons from Trump. They knew what they had done was illegal.

But Trump did not give them pardons. He decided if he was going down, he was taking them with him.

And so here we are.

I hope this helps the ignorant get their minds right as to how this has absolutely no relation to Al Gore.

You're welcome.

How the fake electors in seven states are central to the Trump Jan. 6 indictment​

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Totally impossible.
Electors for Trump were appointed by the state legislatures, BEFORE the election.
Trump has no possible way of influencing their selection at all, in any way.

Nor could anyone ever "send an illegal slate to the senate", since the results are already known by everyone on election night.

Anyone claiming any possible elector fraud has to obviously be lying.

 

[Dragonlady]

I have explained several times already.

Read. The. Indictment.

Why do you rubes continue to parrot the lies fed to you and refuse to read the indictment?

This is very fucking weird.

That one's not capable of reading and understanding anything longer than a bumper sticker. I serious doubt he'd make it past the first paragraph before being confused.

He has to be told what to think, because he can't figure things out for himself. The Cult is full of people like this. A very high percentage of those arrested on January 6, were taking anti-psychotics.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't ask for a pardon if you have not broken the law.

So there's a clue.

Trump lawyer John Eastman sought presidential pardon after January 6

Disclosure from Capitol attack committee suggests consciousness of guilt in unlawful scheme to return Trump to White House

www.theguardian.com

Trump gave Eastman the finger. Trump decided if he was going down, he was taking all his co-conspirators down with him.

Trump was no longer President after Jan 6, dumbass. He couldn't pardon anyone.

 

[Rigby5]

They'll say it's fake news or Antifa or BLM or whatever.

Much is kept from them in their world.

It can't be "fake news" since Trump already posted bail.
So then it has to be deliberate perjury on the part of the prosecutors, who then clearly should be arrested for deliberate interference in an election.

The charges against Trump are for things claimed to have happened 3 years ago, and yet in all this time, there was never any effect on anyone from them.
So then clearly the only point of making these charges now is to illegally interfere with the current election.

 

[Dragonlady]

That doesn't prove a thing, moron. It only shows what Fani Willis wants you to believe. An indictment is proof of nothing.

Actually, the indictment tells you EXACTLY what evidence Fani Willis has and what she can prove. It lays EVERYTHING out for you in detail, including what she has to support the charged. The Grand Jury based the charges on the evidence they saw and the witnesses who testified. This isn't one person making up shit about someone they don't like.

We haven't seen what the Defence says about it all except for falsely claiming it's all about free speech, and its not.

 

[Mac1958]

It can't be "fake news" since Trump already posted bail.
So then it has to be deliberate perjury on the part of the prosecutors, who then clearly should be arrested for deliberate interference in an election.

The charges against Trump are for things claimed to have happened 3 years ago, and yet in all this time, there was never any effect on anyone from them.
So then clearly the only point of making these charges now is to illegally interfere with the current election.

Okay, counselor! It sure couldn't be because laws were broken!

 

[Rigby5]

I have explained several times already.

Read. The. Indictment.

Why do you rubes continue to parrot the lies fed to you and refuse to read the indictment?

This is very fucking weird.

Obviously everyone has "read the indictment", but it actually says NOTHING.
It makes generalized claims, like coercion, racketeering, improper this or that, etc.
It does not actually describe any activity that could possibly be interpreted as remotely illegal.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, the indictment tells you EXACTLY what evidence Fani Willis has and what she can prove.

Wrong.

It lays EVERYTHING out for you in detail, including what she has to support the charged. The Grand Jury based the charges on the evidence they saw and the witnesses who testified. This isn't one person making up shit about someone they don't like.

The charges in an indictment are claims. They aren't proven. Everything in the indictment is made up.

We haven't seen what the Defence says about it all except for falsely claiming it's all about free speech, and its not.

It obviously is about free speech. Trump was indicted for using his right to free speech.

 

[Rigby5]

Actually, the indictment tells you EXACTLY what evidence Fani Willis has and what she can prove. It lays EVERYTHING out for you in detail, including what she has to support the charged. The Grand Jury based the charges on the evidence they saw and the witnesses who testified. This isn't one person making up shit about someone they don't like.

We haven't seen what the Defence says about it all except for falsely claiming it's all about free speech, and its not.

Wrong.
I have read the indictment and it is absolutely without a single actual detail or description of anything remotely illegal.
It is all only abstract generalities.

The grand jury did not "base" charges on anything, but simply rubber stamped the charges the prosecutor already concocted.

 

[Rigby5]

Okay, counselor! It sure couldn't be because laws were broken!

If laws were broken, then we would have heard about it 3 years ago when it was supposed to have happened.
Obviously the point of waiting until now is to deliberately prevent a fair campaign.
If laws were broken, then there would have been individuals harmed.
But there is no one who was harmed.
So it clearly is all fake.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump was no longer President after Jan 6, dumbass. He couldn't pardon anyone.

Yes he was. He was President until the moment Biden was sworn in. He pardoned a whack of people on January 20th including Steve Bannon, Elliott Broidy - Trump's bag man, and Jeanine Pirro's husband, Alberto Pirro Jr., and a bunch of Trump's friends and supporters:

"With only hours to go before leaving office, President Donald Trump pardoned 74 people and commuted the sentences of 70 others."

Full list of Trump's last-minute pardons and commuted sentences

The list, made public early Wednesday morning, included his former chief strategist and longtime ally Steve Bannon.

www.nbcnews.com

Mostly white collar criminals and fraud artists - like Trump himself. It was said Trump and his staffers were selling pardons. The list of recipients would seem to be evidence of that.

 

[martybegan]

No, they cannot. Because abortion isn't illegal in NY, but election interference is illegal in every state of the Union, and the election they were interefering in, was located in Georgia, even if some of their actions happened outside the state.

And because New York law contains protections for New York doctors and citizens assisting out of state patients. That hasn't stopped the AG's of some Red states from demanding medical records of young women suspected of going out of state for an abortion, and trying to prosecute these women, but I doubt this would pass SC muster if they try it.

If you commit wire fraud on victims in New York, but the office you make the call from is in Georgia, you can still be charged by New York State, even though you were outside the state while committing the crime. Otherwise all crime syndicates would conspire and complete all of their prep work outside the jurisdiction of their crimes, to reduce their overall criminal exposure if caught.

One of the reasons so many phone scams operate from Canada or the Carribbean into the USA, is because of the difficulties of prosecuting people who aren't in the same country as the crime. Between two US states is easy peasy to prosecute.

Still can't prosecute outside your State for breaking the laws of your State.

Those AG's trying to prosecute abortions outside their State are wrong.

Now if something involves a minor being transported out of a State without parental permission, that's different.