Trump thinks he can change the Constitution via EO

[Olde Europe]

Sure, Spunky. Can’t imagine where I got that from?

It can be amended​

Get a grip, Faun. The quoted article spells it out quite clearly:

"A living Constitution is one that evolves, changes over time, and adapts to new circumstances, without being formally amended."

That is, terms used in the Constitution are being interpreted in light of current-day thinking and social circumstances - as I think it should. That's the specific definition of a "living document". That's the school of Constitutional thought opposed to originalists or textualists who would rather the U.S. be governed by a 200+ years old document AND the thinking at the time, and who, not without merit, point to the amendment process to adapt the Constitution to today's needs and preferences.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

..but Obama had the authority to violate the Separation of Powers & By-Pass Congress, which he did frequently as dicta...er, President to impose his 'Dreamer Act' Edict?

Again, hypocrisy on display....where is the Left's outrage over Obama DOING what Trump has only talked about?

He just says words bro...has no real meaning

 

[easyt65]

..but Obama had the authority to violate the Separation of Powers & By-Pass Congress, which he did frequently as dicta...er, President to impose his 'Dreamer Act' Edict?

Again, hypocrisy on display....where is the Left's outrage over Obama DOING what Trump has only talked about?

He just says words bro...has no real meaning

Again, hypocrisy on display....where is the Left's outrage over Obama DOING what Trump has only talked about?

 

[danielpalos]

it is about natural rights.

Now trump does have the authority to challenge and define/redefine that...good job.

only in right wing fantasy.

..but Obama had the authority to violate the Separation of Powers & By-Pass Congress, which he did frequently as dicta...er, President to impose his 'Dreamer Act' Edict?

Again, hypocrisy on display....where is the Left's outrage over Obama DOING what Trump has only talked about?

it was in Favor of natural rights. the right wing prefers to eliminate natural rights, for their socialism on a national basis.

 

[bendog]

The criminal hypocrisy of the left continues to be unashamedly on full display, continuing to show they believe they are above the Constitution & Laws and the rules they attempt to impose on Conservatives / Republicans...part of the reason no one takes the Democrats / Democratic Party seriously any more.

And this is some how different than all you people that whined about Obama that are now cheering on Trump to do the same thing?

It's not really the same thing. Presidents commonly allocate funds/resources in ways that ignore some crimes.

We don't enforce pot laws in states making use legal under state law ..... although Ole Jeff still wants to arrest those pot heads and put them in cells with violent rapists, just to teach em a lesson.

Trump choose to not enforce laws allowing us to catch families just coming over the border and toss em back, because for some sick reason he thought kids in cages was gonna win him votes.

Obama chose not to deport dreamers. Some on the right said that was unconst and the SC would make him do it, but......

Trump "says" he wants to reinterpret what the const actually says, and apply a new understanding that for 20-30 years has consistently been panned. That is different.

I sort of doubt he really does this. First of all, it's politically apparent he can't even get 50 senators to agree with him. And it's likely the SC would not even have to choose to hear the case, since most likely the DC circuit would shoot him down. But more importantly, IMMIGRATION is the issue he can rally the base on ---- its' not really judges or abortion or whatever. His campaign ran on "lock her up" and "kick them out." I doubt he wants to lose the issue.

 

[easyt65]

it was in Favor of natural rights. the right wing prefers to eliminate natural rights, for their socialism on a national basis.

MORE BULLSHIT JUSTIFICATION OF A SOCIALIST ENEMY OF THE STATE ADMITTEDLY VIOLATING THE SEPARATION OF POWERS / VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION TO IMPOSE HIS OWN LIBERAL AGENDA / EDICT ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE -

IT WAS ILLEGAL!

Again, hypocrisy on display....where is the Left's outrage over Obama DOING what Trump has only talked about?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Again, hypocrisy on display....where is the Left's outrage over Obama DOING what Trump has only talked about?

I agree, I was just pointing out that the euro dude was out of the loop

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And this is some how different than all you people that whined about Obama that are now cheering on Trump to do the same thing?

Speaking of 'hypocrisy' and 'what about...'ism..... LOL. Right on cue, GG!

Yes, you were right on que. You took a thread about an action by Trump and made a "what about Obama"

you are the master whatabouter

 

[Cecilie1200]

Felons and a host of others can not buy guns and the 2 nd amendment was not changed , so how come the 14th can not be changed to disqualify anchor baby's? After all it was all about blacks being citizens


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Let's be clear: it WAS changed to include people it was never intended to include. So what we're ACTUALLY talking about now is changing it BACK to what it was originally intended to do.

An Executive Order cannot change the Constitution; I honestly can't say whether or not it can legitimately change an inappropriate Supreme Court ruling, although in this case, it will have the effect of changing that ruling simply because it will force the Supreme Court to rule on the subject again.

 

[danielpalos]

it was in Favor of natural rights. the right wing prefers to eliminate natural rights, for their socialism on a national basis.

MORE BULLSHIT JUSTIFICATION OF A SOCIALIST ENEMY OF THE STATE ADMITTEDLY VIOLATING THE SEPARATION OF POWERS / VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION TO IMPOSE HIS OWN LIBERAL AGENDA / EDICT ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE -

IT WAS ILLEGAL!

Again, hypocrisy on display....where is the Left's outrage over Obama DOING what Trump has only talked about?

apples and oranges.

 

[Avatar4321]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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I think he just wants to test the Supreme Court to see if they have his back if he gets impeached.

You've been asked this before, and as far as I'm aware, you have yet to answer.

What the hell do you think the Supreme Court has to do with impeachments?

Not with the impeachment per se, but it would deal with the POTUS's ability to pardon himself and others that have proof of his guilt, his ability to obstruct justice and so on.

Also, if he can be held accountable for any crime while he is a sitting President , as well as if he can be held accountable later for crimes committed as a sitting President.

None of those things will ever be brought to.the supreme court

 

[easyt65]

Yes, you were right on que. You took a thread about an action by Trump and made a "what about Obama"

'Whatabout'ism - You did that with your comment, moron...as I pointed out. Bwuhahahaha

 

[easyt65]

apples and oranges.

I agree - Obama actually DID violate the US Constitution, not just talk about it like President Trump has done. Great point!

 

[danielpalos]

apples and oranges.

I agree - Obama actually DID violate the US Constitution, not just talk about it like President Trump has done. Great point!

most of your right wing policies are held up in Court.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes, you were right on que. You took a thread about an action by Trump and made a "what about Obama"

'Whatabout'ism - You did that with your comment, moron...as I pointed out. Bwuhahahaha

no my little snowflake, what I did was point out your use of whataboutism when you tried to make this thread about Obama and not Trump.

 

[easyt65]

apples and oranges.

I agree - Obama actually DID violate the US Constitution, not just talk about it like President Trump has done. Great point!

most of your right wing policies are held up in Court.

Liberal politicians, liberal judges...liberals throwing tantrums and - as Schumer publicly stated - 100% commitment to obstruction of everything Trump and the GOP tries to do for their own personal / party benefit.

Nice...classy.

 

[danielpalos]

apples and oranges.

I agree - Obama actually DID violate the US Constitution, not just talk about it like President Trump has done. Great point!

most of your right wing policies are held up in Court.

Liberal politicians, liberal judges...liberals throwing tantrums and - as Schumer publicly stated - 100% commitment to obstruction of everything Trump and the GOP tries to do for their own personal / party benefit.

Nice...classy.

we understand the Constitution, unlike the right wing.

 

[easyt65]

no my little snowflake, what I did was point out your use of whataboutism when you tried to make this thread about Obama and not Trump.

Wrong again, snowflake. What you were trying to do was distract from the Left's criminal hypocrisy in supporting an ADMITTED CRIMINAL PRESIDENT who ADMITTED he had no Constitutional Authority to By-Pass Congress to affect existing Immigration law but DID SO ANYWAY.....actually DOING what Trump has only TALKED about.

Again, OBAMA COMMITTED A CRIME - VIOLATED THE CONSTITUTION...AGAIN!

For this CRIME he should have been IMPEACHED...or Censured at the very least.....instead the Left praised him.

Now President Trump only MENTIONED doing what Obama did, and snowflakes, Democrats, and liberals piss themselves!

Bwuhahaha…..you're such a f*ing hypocrite / Democrat/Obama-apologist.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I think it’s more accurate to say that Trump disagrees on the interpretation on what the Constitution says than he thinks an EO can side step it

Thats quite the mind reading attempt.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

we understand the Constitution, unlike the right wing.

of course you do, that's why it is so important you need this to be about "natural rights" which you feel trump the constitution.