Trumpism: This is what PUSHBACK looks like

[JoeB131]

Have the Dems pushed to take more of people’s hard earned money, pushed to take away the rights of the individual to make a decision on their own pay and benefits?

Um. No. Stop listening to Hate Radio, it's making you stupid.

 

[Slade3200]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

It's all rooted in lesser-of-two-evils. Which is rooted in the two party system, which is rooted in our election system.

Agreed... a toxic formula

 

[Norman]

Have the Dems pushed to take more of people’s hard earned money, pushed to take away the rights of the individual to make a decision on their own pay and benefits?

Um. No. Stop listening to Hate Radio, it's making you stupid.

I don't take recommendations on what to watch by CNN viewers.

 

[iceberg]

Have the Dems pushed to take more of people’s hard earned money, pushed to take away the rights of the individual to make a decision on their own pay and benefits?

Um. No. Stop listening to Hate Radio, it's making you stupid.

Yea. You are so much better to listen to.

 

[depotoo]

Have the Dems pushed to take more of people’s hard earned money, pushed to take away the rights of the individual to make a decision on their own pay and benefits?

Um. No. Stop listening to Hate Radio, it's making you stupid.

No radio. Living many years through many different administrations from local on up to federal.

 

[Mac1958]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

Sadly, that's just where we are, and we many just continue to decay like this. Or who knows, maybe not. But it'll take something pretty powerful to turn this around.

I think this amazing devotion to, and celebration of, Trump's (insert adjective here) behaviors may just be a function of the pent-up frustration. He is their primal scream. Primal screams are ugly. We may just be underestimating the level of anger and frustration these people have in them.

And critically, let's not forget where so much of this anger and frustration are cultivated -- the people who have a vested professional interest in stoking, maintaining and increasing it. They've done a great job, and the efforts are clearly working. They must be pinching themselves over their success.
.

 

[Mac1958]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

It's all rooted in lesser-of-two-evils. Which is rooted in the two party system, which is rooted in our election system.

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

 

[JoeB131]

Sadly, that's just where we are, and we many just continue to decay like this. Or not.

I think this amazing devotion to, and celebration of, Trump's (insert adjective here) behaviors may just be a function of the pent-up frustration. He is their primal scream. Primal screams are ugly. We may just be underestimating the level of anger and frustration these people have in them.

Ooohhh, Stormy is all worried about poor white males and how no one is paying attention to their rage.

Uh, no,guy. The problem is that most of this white rage is misdirected. It should be directed at the parasites on Wall Street like you who have been making war on their middle class lifestyle. Instead, the GOP and Wall Street got very good at manipulating their racism, homophobia and misogyny.

You are like Dr. Frankenstein whining about all the trouble the Monster is causing. Without Admitting you created the monster.

And critically, let's not forget the people who have a vested professional interest in stoking, maintaining and increasing that frustration and anger. They've done a great job, and the efforts are clearly working.

But who stoked that anger and why? This is the question you never answer.

I'm going to lay a history lesson on your ass. In 1932, America rejected Plutocracy. FDR created a middle class with the New Deal, which subsequent Democrats, and Eisenhower - built on,cumulating in the Great Society.

The Conservative Wall Street Republicans tried to push back with Barry Goldwater thinking we should go back to the good old days when the rich fucked us up the ass. He won six states, and five of them were Bubba States where they were mad that LBJ ended Jim Crow.

Instead of learning their lesson, the GOP Tripled down on the white rage- Nixon's "Southern Strategy", Reagan's Welfare Queens, Bush's Willie Horton is going to get you ads, Bush Jr. saving us from the horror of gay marriage. Keep the White Male Christian mad about abortion and affirmative action and other things you never actually get rid of while you slowly chip, chip, chip away at that middle class...

Then get the dumb white trash mad at minorities for competing with them for jobs.

Now you are horrified that the racist/homophobic./religious rage Wall Street has stoked has manifested itself in Trump, a guy you know is going to fuck it up eventually. But you just can't stand the thought that some guy like Bernie might fairly distribute the weatlh.

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

Why would it? The whole history of third parties is that they are usually more whacked out than the two major parties.

Nobody gets fired up about a middle of the road position.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

It's all rooted in lesser-of-two-evils. Which is rooted in the two party system, which is rooted in our election system.

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

That will likely never happen. Why do you think that Sander's is not running for the Socialist party? Because it would syphon votes from the Democrat party guaranteeing a Republican win. It's the same thing on the right if a very popular candidate ran as a Libertarian.

The only possible way to have more parties is if constituents in both parties get so pissed off at their leadership at the same time, that voting a different party will not guarantee a loss for the Democrats or Republicans; a third party for the right and a third party for the left.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

Sadly, that's just where we are, and we many just continue to decay like this. Or who knows, maybe not. But it'll take something pretty powerful to turn this around.

I think this amazing devotion to, and celebration of, Trump's (insert adjective here) behaviors may just be a function of the pent-up frustration. He is their primal scream. Primal screams are ugly. We may just be underestimating the level of anger and frustration these people have in them.

And critically, let's not forget where so much of this anger and frustration are cultivated -- the people who have a vested professional interest in stoking, maintaining and increasing it. They've done a great job, and the efforts are clearly working. They must be pinching themselves over their success.
.

Why so surprised? The RNC has not listened to us for years in spite of our screaming. Oh, they always talked a good game, but once in power, make excuses why they are not carrying out our will.

So we elected President Trump, and a great move for us and the country. He tackled the immigration problem in spite of all the resistance, we have the best economy in 50 years. People making more money. The best holiday sales on record online and off. Business and consumer confidence at it's highest levels the past couple of decades. The list goes on and on.

In fact, after Trump is gone, I will be looking more closely at non-professional politicians for consideration. Professional politicians have proven themselves to be untrustworthy.

 

[dblack]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

It's all rooted in lesser-of-two-evils. Which is rooted in the two party system, which is rooted in our election system.

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

That will likely never happen. Why do you think that Sander's is not running for the Socialist party? Because it would syphon votes from the Democrat party guaranteeing a Republican win. It's the same thing on the right if a very popular candidate ran as a Libertarian.

The only possible way to have more parties is if constituents in both parties get so pissed off at their leadership at the same time, that voting a different party will not guarantee a loss for the Democrats or Republicans; a third party for the right and a third party for the left.

But, as we've seen, each side will put up with pretty much anything if "their idiot" is in charge.

 

[dblack]

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

To varying degrees, I've been invested in that battle most of my life. At this point, I'm convinced it won't happen unless we change the way we do elections. Unfortunately, having two dominant parties, and the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense that goes with it, is baked into our system.

 

[BrokeLoser]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

It's all rooted in lesser-of-two-evils. Which is rooted in the two party system, which is rooted in our election system.

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

I’ve noticed you fence-sitters (WHOM CLEARLY ALL LEAN LEFT) have become all about this talking point and narrative...you are committed to making the GOP appear to be bat-shit crazy like your Leftist friends...BUT why do you refuse to talk policy?
I’ll ask again...what Republican policies are aimed to appeal “MOSTLY” to the most rabid elements of their base?
dblack you have my permission to add something of value as well.

 

[Mac1958]

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

To varying degrees, I've been invested in that battle most of my life. At this point, I'm convinced it won't happen unless we change the way we do elections. Unfortunately, having two dominant parties, and the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense that goes with it, is baked into our system.

I don't think anything of substance changes unless and until we get money out of politics. As long as the two "major" parties control that, we're stuck.
.

 

[Mac1958]

While I'm sure as hell no fan of Trump, or many of his fans, I think I'm understanding this whole thing more now. Unfortunately, I think it's pretty clear the Democratic Party hasn't learned a fucking thing.

As people like Matthews and Carville and Bloomberg and Manchin try to sound the alarm bells for the party, it's clear that the party has been taken over by the loonies who insist that PC and Identity Politics are at the core of the party's worldview.

To put this as succinctly as I can, I think Trumpism is PUSHBACK against years and years of weaponized PC and Identity Politics. It's a primal scream of pent-up frustration. Burn it down, While much of it is pretty ugly to me, I do understand it, because I don't think that much of what the hardcore leftists who are in control of the party is actually American liberalism. I was called a racist for being against the ACA.

I warned about it long before Trump came down the elevator. I just didn't know how strong it would be.

June 23, 2013:

Always nice to see pushback against the PC Police.

November 14, 2015:

Spin & deflect for the PC-Protected religion, and you'll get the pushback you deserve. Tough shit. Be responsible for your words.

July 27, 2013:

Looks like the PC Police are seeing that their phony "you're a racist" schtick isn't scaring some folks like it used to. It's still relatively effective, but the pushback is getting stronger. Hopefully the momentum will continue, and they'll have to actually engage in intellectually honest conversation for a change.

This doesn't mean that the Democrats will lose in November. I sure don't know. But I think I do understand this.

Sources:
Post 199: Should Dean's life be ruined for saying the N-word 30-40-50 years ago?
Post 49: The French people have some serious balls
Post 135: How Obama Poisoned Race Relations in America

I agree with you, but what still bewilders me is the fighting stupid with stupid approach. The never ending hypocrisy on both sides and the outright lies that both sides spin to defend themselves and to demonize their opponents.
There used to be a day when the smart and responsible would rise above the nonsense and make their case using honesty logic and reason. That’s respectable. But Trump took it to the sewers and played off tribalism. It amazes me that so many are playing along. And it saddens me that those tactics are actually working

It's all rooted in lesser-of-two-evils. Which is rooted in the two party system, which is rooted in our election system.

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

I’ve noticed you fence-sitters (WHOM CLEARLY ALL LEAN LEFT) have become all about this talking point and narrative...you are committed to making the GOP appear to be bat-shit crazy like your Leftist friends...BUT why do you refuse to talk policy?
I’ll ask again...what Republican policies are aimed to appeal “MOSTLY” to the most rabid elements of their base?
dblack you have my permission to add something of value as well.

I've already answered this question, but maybe you're a program.

Being a rabid winger is about behaviors, not issues.

I can't make it simpler. Sorry.
.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You see, as much as Vichy Mac whines about how we are not "Moderate" enough, the reality is moderates lose. Hillary, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, Dole... a whole litany of "Moderate" losers.

IMO, most recent winners in both parties are moderates, thus, I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

So is this some sort of cumulative flip back and forth thing, where the extremism increases exponentially every cycle? Or is it further reaching into generations of angst and anger finding it's outlet?

That's my guess, and it was the first thing I thought about when Trump won: That he would be so over-the-top that we'd get an over-the-top response from the Democrats.

So, here we are. The chasm between the two parties is so wide now that the swings back and forth could just become more violent and insane.
.

Hence, why I hate populists.

 

[dblack]

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
.

To varying degrees, I've been invested in that battle most of my life. At this point, I'm convinced it won't happen unless we change the way we do elections. Unfortunately, having two dominant parties, and the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense that goes with it, is baked into our system.

I don't think anything of substance changes unless and until we get money out of politics. As long as the two "major" parties control that, we're stuck.

"Get money out of politics". First we have to figure out what that even means.

 

[Mac1958]

So is this some sort of cumulative flip back and forth thing, where the extremism increases exponentially every cycle? Or is it further reaching into generations of angst and anger finding it's outlet?

That's my guess, and it was the first thing I thought about when Trump won: That he would be so over-the-top that we'd get an over-the-top response from the Democrats.

So, here we are. The chasm between the two parties is so wide now that the swings back and forth could just become more violent and insane.
.

Hence, why I hate populists.

It does seem like people who use that to describe themselves aren't terribly reasonable.
.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's probably the biggest reason I so wish there could be a strong and viable third party in the middle. Theoretically, it would prevent each of the two whacked-out "major" parties from doing what they're doing - appealing mostly to the most rabid elements of their base. Theoretically.
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To varying degrees, I've been invested in that battle most of my life. At this point, I'm convinced it won't happen unless we change the way we do elections. Unfortunately, having two dominant parties, and the lesser-of-two-evils nonsense that goes with it, is baked into our system.

I don't think anything of substance changes unless and until we get money out of politics. As long as the two "major" parties control that, we're stuck.
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The question is, how is that possible?