U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases

[g5000]

This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."

CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.

The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.

Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."

Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.

McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.

The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.

More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases

So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.

Gun ownership is a Constitutional Right....like voting. Why should either require an I.D.?

As has been proven, showing an ID has prevented 80,000 people a year from buying a gun who should not have one.

No one has ever shown that Voter ID has prevented or is the only means to stop the types of voter fraud which occur.

Apples and oranges fallacy.

You haven't shown shit.


.

I've shown it at least twice, and 2AGuy just showed it again.

 

[BluesLegend]

Should criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers be allowed to own guns?

Are they allowed to now?

NOPE!

The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits certain people from possessing a firearm. The possession of any firearm by one of these "prohibited persons" is a felony offense. It is also a felony for any person, including a registered Federal Firearms Licensee to sell or otherwise transfer any firearm to a person knowing or having "reasonable cause" to believe that the person receiving the firearm is prohibited from firearm possession. There are nine categories of persons prohibited from possessing firearms under the Gun Control Act:

Persons under indictment for, or convicted of, any crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding on year;

• Fugitives from justice;

• Persons who are unlawful users of, or addicted to, any controlled substance;

• Persons who have been declared by a court as mental defectives or have been committed to a mental institution;

• Illegal aliens, or aliens who were admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;

• Persons who have been dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces;

• Persons who have renounced their United States citizenship;

• Persons subject to certain types of restraining orders; and

• Persons who have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

Wait, how are illegals killing us with guns then?

Your government sold them guns.

Ah the fast and furious fiasco.

 

[Political Junky]

This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."

CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.

The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.

Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."

Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.

McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.

The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.

More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases

So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.

Good, it's about time.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You didn't correct squat. My statement was accurate.

Nope. You quoted the OP, which is an article about police chiefs who want background checks for gun shows. You then said, "There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases."

For most states, there are no background checks mandated for gun shows, which I pointed out.

I corrected you, and you've been butt hurt since.

Yes, and my statement was accurate.

I must perform a background check on every buyer I sell to from my store.

Which is not a gun show or private sale.

Read the OP. Then come back and try again.

Dude get over yourself already, the OP is not only talking about gun shows and private sales it pertains to ALL gun purchases.

Damn you are one dense fuck!

When they talk about ALL gun purchases in the OP, they are saying they want background checks to apply to ALL gun purchases and that they currently don't. They don't apply to 40 percent of ALL gun purchases.

Damn, you are one dense fuck.

If I'm dense it's only because I've been arguing with you and my IQ dropped as a result.

 

[BluesLegend]

You didn't correct squat. My statement was accurate.

Nope. You quoted the OP, which is an article about police chiefs who want background checks for gun shows. You then said, "There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases."

For most states, there are no background checks mandated for gun shows, which I pointed out.

I corrected you, and you've been butt hurt since.

Yes, and my statement was accurate.

I must perform a background check on every buyer I sell to from my store.

Which is not a gun show or private sale.

Read the OP. Then come back and try again.

Dude get over yourself already, the OP is not only talking about gun shows and private sales it pertains to ALL gun purchases.

Damn you are one dense fuck!

When they talk about ALL gun purchases in the OP, they are saying they want background checks to apply to ALL gun purchases and that they currently don't. They don't apply to 40 percent of ALL gun purchases.

Damn, you are one dense fuck.

Where are the lowlife scum criminals getting their guns? I doubt its from law abiding citizens so why are gun control advocates out to pile on heaps of laws and regulations onto law abiding citizens?

 

[Lakhota]

Nope. You quoted the OP, which is an article about police chiefs who want background checks for gun shows. You then said, "There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases."

For most states, there are no background checks mandated for gun shows, which I pointed out.

I corrected you, and you've been butt hurt since.

Yes, and my statement was accurate.

I must perform a background check on every buyer I sell to from my store.

Which is not a gun show or private sale.

Read the OP. Then come back and try again.

Dude get over yourself already, the OP is not only talking about gun shows and private sales it pertains to ALL gun purchases.

Damn you are one dense fuck!

When they talk about ALL gun purchases in the OP, they are saying they want background checks to apply to ALL gun purchases and that they currently don't. They don't apply to 40 percent of ALL gun purchases.

Damn, you are one dense fuck.

Where are the lowlife scum criminals getting their guns? I doubt its from law abiding citizens so why are gun control advocates out to pile on heaps of laws and regulations onto law abiding citizens?

How are lowlife scum criminals getting their stolen cars?

 

[g5000]

Post 63:

To date, NICS queries of criminal databases have resulted in 1,065,090 denials, with 88,479 in 2012 alone.

NICS 15th Anniversary: Stats Show Success of Gun Background Check System

Post 78:

Between 70,000 and 80,000 people are denied guns each year for providing false or inaccurate information on their background check forms, according to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

Do We Enforce Our Gun Laws?

Post 82:

Post 186:

The number of criminals stopped by the checks is also quite small. In 2010, there were over 76,000 initial denials, but only 44 of those were deemed worthy for prosecution by the federal government and only 13 individuals were convicted. Even those 13 cases don’t tend to be the “dangerous” criminals Obama claims are being stopped. There are additional state prosecutions, but those are rare as well.

So as we can see, it has been proven time and time and time again that background checks prevent about 80,000 people a year from getting a gun.


And if we read the link in 2AGuy's post, we find this:

The most common reason for denial by the FBI was a record of a felony indictment or conviction (over 47%), followed by fugitives from justice (19%), and state law prohibitions (about 11%)

Boom!

This means background checks are effective, unlike Voter ID.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

what about background checks for all of the illegal aliens buying weapons?

 

[Lakhota]

what about background checks for all of the illegal aliens buying weapons?

What about them? Please explain.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

i am worried that some day i will see the day when I will be questioned at my grocer when I buy a 12 pack of pop-tarts.

 

[g5000]

Mandatory background checks went into effect in 1993.

 

[g5000]

what about background checks for all of the illegal aliens buying weapons?

I'm all for background checks on illegal aliens buying weapons. Are you?

 

[g5000]

"The most common reason for denial by the FBI was a record of a felony indictment or conviction (over 47%), followed by fugitives from justice (19%), and state law prohibitions (about 11%)".

Thanks 2Aguy!

 

[g5000]

80,000 felons and fugitives prevented from buying a gun every year, thanks to background checks.

It is pretty hard to defend being opposed to that.

 

[BluesLegend]

i am worried that some day i will see the day when I will be questioned at my grocer when I buy a 12 pack of pop-tarts.

Don't worry about it the way these control freak liberals are going you will be lucky if they don't ban the 6 pack let alone a 12 pack or ban them outright siting climate change or some endangered insect.

 

[BluesLegend]

80,000 felons and fugitives prevented from buying a gun every year, thanks to background checks.

It is pretty hard to defend being opposed to that.

Get back to us when you have implemented background checks for buying alcohol, it kills and injures way more people each year. Got a DUI on your record sorry DENIED!!

 

[g5000]

i am worried that some day i will see the day when I will be questioned at my grocer when I buy a 12 pack of pop-tarts.

If you are a good citizen, I believe you should be able to buy as many guns as you like.

If you are a violent felon, I am glad there are background checks to prevent you from getting a gun.

As has been proven, 80,000 felons and fugitives and other dangerous characters are prevented from buying a gun every year. So let me see you defend being opposed to that instead of tossing out hyperbolic bullshit.

 

[g5000]

80,000 felons and fugitives prevented from buying a gun every year, thanks to background checks.

It is pretty hard to defend being opposed to that.

Get back to us when you have implemented background checks for buying alcohol, it kills and injures way more people each year. Got a DUI on your record sorry DENIED!!

If you get a DUI, you aren't allowed a driver's license.

If you don't have a license, you can get drunk but not run over anyone.

So you lose. Again.

 

[The Rabbi]

Citing the popularity of an idea is not the same as showing it will be effective in reducing crime. It will not. Oregon has UBC and we see how that turned out a couple of weeks ago.
Such measures are nothing more than an attempt to stick it to lawful gun owners. It will not reduce crime one bit.

So just drop the idea? Anything that comes up that can possible prevent a gun from getting in the hands of a nutcase, is summarily dropped by the RWers. This is an idea that will happen. It will take time and lots of money to stop the GOP from buying off GOP Congressmen, but it will happen.

It wont prevent any guns from getting into the hands of nutcases. This is already proven.

No, this is not proven. You must show all 88,000 people turned away in 2012 got guns.

LOL. I dont have to show anything like that. All I have to show is felons committed crimes with guns. There goes your argument.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why would any law-abiding gun owner oppose universal background checks for ALL firearms purchases? Right now, about 40% of all gun purchases are falling through the legal cracks. We should close those cracks!

I don't oppose it for one. Just don't think it's gonna do anything.

If it saves one kid sitting in a classroom trying to learn, is it worth a try? Of course it is.

It wont save one kid. It costs lives. If it costs one life is it worth it?

If turning away 88,000 people from getting a gun saves one life, is it worth it?

No. Next stupid question.