Uh Oh!!: Tim Adams, Chief Elections Clerk in Hawaii says Obama wasn't born there.

[JakeStarkey]

Politics has nothing to do with the fact that each state keeps the property, the original birth certificate, for safe keeping. The original is not to be released.
A certified copy is all Obama or anyone can get.
You can make a political argument all you want but some facts, anything, something other than hot air is needed. To date you have provided nothing.
And I am a Republican moderate.
The problem is that this BS is what got Obama elected in the first place. Rush Limbaugh needs no facts and provides none as he does not have to. He is accountable to no one.
An informed American requires evidence. There is no evidence to support Obama is not an American citizen. Never has been and you keep proving there never will be.

I have a copy of my birth certificate. It gives my time of birth, the hospital name and the doctor who delivered me. Are you saying the President of the United States can't get the same thing? Why would he believe that a recently manufactured Certificate Of Live Birth would be good enough to display on his campaign web site? Why is it good enough for you? Why would the word of some government official be good enough for you? Was President Bush's word that Iraq had WMDs good enough for you? What a fucking joke.

Here's an idea... why don't we just find someone else who was born in Hawaii (and will admit it ) and ask them if their COLB or Birth Certificate is different. Some one born around 1961 would be a perfect candidate. The more we find the better.

Immie

Why? This is not an issue.

 

[Immanuel]

I have a copy of my birth certificate. It gives my time of birth, the hospital name and the doctor who delivered me. Are you saying the President of the United States can't get the same thing? Why would he believe that a recently manufactured Certificate Of Live Birth would be good enough to display on his campaign web site? Why is it good enough for you? Why would the word of some government official be good enough for you? Was President Bush's word that Iraq had WMDs good enough for you? What a fucking joke.

Here's an idea... why don't we just find someone else who was born in Hawaii (and will admit it ) and ask them if their COLB or Birth Certificate is different. Some one born around 1961 would be a perfect candidate. The more we find the better.

Immie

Why? This is not an issue.

Not to you, but to some they just can't get it through their heads that the state keeps the original and ONLY issues certified copies.

The state would not give away the original.

They only produce certified copies and certified copies are considered legal documents.

I personally do not consider the internet version floating around the net to be a legal document, but I am not the one that needed to be convinced of the issue of his birth. I believe he provided evidence before the election and that should have been the end of the issue.

Those who refuse to accept that fact, should find someone born in Hawaii and ask them about the details that they need proof on.

If you can't accept a certified copy of a birth certificate from the state of issue, then what will you accept?

Immie

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you, Immie, for that explanation. Yes, that provides an excellent solution for the silly ones here.

 

[sitarro]

Sitarro, your arrogance is what irks me. You lost an election that you should have lost based on the track record of the idiots you supported. You can't stand you lost power, and, to be quite frank, you won't get it back until you put those kinds of idiocies behind you. You are in the minority, and you will stay there as long as you keep acting like this.

I didn't lose an election Jake, The United States lost an election, when people like you put this America hating, empty suit into the White House. You are the naive person that allowed this punk and his backers to buy their way into one the most powerful position in the world. Now we have a bunch of radical leftist thugs from Shitago, a billionaire Hungarian America hater (Schwartz György...a.k.a. .... George Soros) and the dumbest minds of Hollywood, running our country........and running it poorly. America lost Jake, the fact that you are too blind to see that explains why you would be so easily bought by these clowns in the first place. The team mentality partisanship is destroying our country, my only hope is I am old enough to die before their plan is successful.

 

[sitarro]

Here's an idea... why don't we just find someone else who was born in Hawaii (and will admit it ) and ask them if their COLB or Birth Certificate is different. Some one born around 1961 would be a perfect candidate. The more we find the better.

Immie

Why? This is not an issue.

Not to you, but to some they just can't get it through their heads that the state keeps the original and ONLY issues certified copies.

The state would not give away the original.

They only produce certified copies and certified copies are considered legal documents.

I personally do not consider the internet version floating around the net to be a legal document, but I am not the one that needed to be convinced of the issue of his birth. I believe he provided evidence before the election and that should have been the end of the issue.

Those who refuse to accept that fact, should find someone born in Hawaii and ask them about the details that they need proof on.

If you can't accept a certified copy of a birth certificate from the state of issue, then what will you accept?

Immie

I don't have the original Immie, my copy of my Birth Certificate is a copy, a print of the original. That garbage that was posted on Barry's website was hand produced in the era of computers, not 1961, the language and look are completely different than what would have come from that time. Why do we not get to see an actual print of the original document, the one that states all of the facts and is either hand written or typed on a typewriter. The one that would have stated his father's race as negro, negroid or black...... not African, that is a modern term and idea, certainly not what would have been considered a race back in 61.... not when his mother was classified as caucasian.

I couldn't really give a shit where this asshole was born(the rules are meaningless anymore), it's common knowledge where he got his hatred of the Capitalist system, it was all around him growing up. His father.....communist. His Mother...... self described anarchist, her parents, the ones that raised the kid..... self proclaimed communist. His mentors have all been radical leftist except for the false one he constantly brings up and attempts to hide behind, Lincoln????? How contrived is that?

This jerks mission is to make himself more powerful and rich and then take down our system, it's obvious to anyone that don't have the racial(I'm better than you because I voted for a black guy)blinders on. This guy, being the easily guided puppet that he is, is the perfect storm to help destroy our way of life and bring on the new world order that leftist thugs have wanted through out my lifetime.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Real America threw Sitarro's folks out, and Americans won big time.

Americans will never let the gang who lost power to every have it again.

 

[Cal]

Hawaii Confirms Obama's Birthplace, Again - CBS News

(AP) State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.

They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

I bet he was paid to say that!

 

[DiveCon]

Real America threw Sitarro's folks out, and Americans won big time.

Americans will never let the gang who lost power to every have it again.

amazing that you dont see that you are the other side of the same stupid coin

 

[sitarro]

Hawaii Confirms Obama's Birthplace, Again - CBS News

(AP) State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.

They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

I bet he was paid to say that!

Or his family was threatened by union thugs.

 

[sitarro]

Real America threw Sitarro's folks out, and Americans won big time.

Americans will never let the gang who lost power to every have it again.

Oh, like Hungarian George Soros that provided most of the cash to buy the election? Or the American Communist party that were very much in favor of Obama. Felons, illegal aliens, dead people, union thugs, female impersonators, members of NAMBLA, etc., etc.. Chavez and Castro were very excited to see Obama elected as were most of the barbarians in the Middle East, great crowd you guys have there.

 

[Cal]

Hawaii Confirms Obama's Birthplace, Again - CBS News

(AP) State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.

They hoped to stem a recent surge in the number of inquiries about Obama's birthplace.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

I bet he was paid to say that!

Or his family was threatened by union thugs.

..You're an idiot. If O was to give you his certificate of live birth and let you look over it..You'd still claim it was fake. Get your head out of Orly Taitz' ass!

 

[sitarro]

Hawaii Confirms Obama's Birthplace, Again - CBS News


I bet he was paid to say that!

Or his family was threatened by union thugs.

..You're an idiot. If O was to give you his certificate of live birth and let you look over it..You'd still claim it was fake. Get your head out of Orly Taitz' ass!

I know you are young Lefty and it's hard for you to understand what this country might have been like in 1961 but the fact is, there is no way that what was shown on Obama's web site pretending to be a copy of his certificate of live birth was produced back then. Computers were decades away and birth certificates were either typed out on a typewriter or hand written. His father's race would have never been classified as African back then, it would have been negro or negroid. That is just what it was like back then, why isn't a copy of his real birth certificate shown? Why are his college records sealed? Why don't you care?

 

[Immanuel]

Why? This is not an issue.

Not to you, but to some they just can't get it through their heads that the state keeps the original and ONLY issues certified copies.

The state would not give away the original.

They only produce certified copies and certified copies are considered legal documents.

I personally do not consider the internet version floating around the net to be a legal document, but I am not the one that needed to be convinced of the issue of his birth. I believe he provided evidence before the election and that should have been the end of the issue.

Those who refuse to accept that fact, should find someone born in Hawaii and ask them about the details that they need proof on.

If you can't accept a certified copy of a birth certificate from the state of issue, then what will you accept?

Immie

I don't have the original Immie, my copy of my Birth Certificate is a copy, a print of the original. That garbage that was posted on Barry's website was hand produced in the era of computers, not 1961, the language and look are completely different than what would have come from that time. Why do we not get to see an actual print of the original document, the one that states all of the facts and is either hand written or typed on a typewriter. The one that would have stated his father's race as negro, negroid or black...... not African, that is a modern term and idea, certainly not what would have been considered a race back in 61.... not when his mother was classified as caucasian.

I couldn't really give a shit where this asshole was born(the rules are meaningless anymore), it's common knowledge where he got his hatred of the Capitalist system, it was all around him growing up. His father.....communist. His Mother...... self described anarchist, her parents, the ones that raised the kid..... self proclaimed communist. His mentors have all been radical leftist except for the false one he constantly brings up and attempts to hide behind, Lincoln????? How contrived is that?

This jerks mission is to make himself more powerful and rich and then take down our system, it's obvious to anyone that don't have the racial(I'm better than you because I voted for a black guy)blinders on. This guy, being the easily guided puppet that he is, is the perfect storm to help destroy our way of life and bring on the new world order that leftist thugs have wanted through out my lifetime.

A hand written one?

I have not seen that one. The only one that I have seen is the green one floating around the internet.

Other people (not you) keep saying they want to see the original. States don't give out originals. They keep the originals and they give out certified copies. It is foolish to even ask for an original.

Re-reading what you wrote "a hand produced" copy, maybe it is the same one that I have seen. Maybe you mean they (the Obama camp) produced that "version". Maybe they did or maybe they didn't. Maybe when all this controversy began (or maybe it was needed for him to actually get on the ballot) he didn't have the needed documentation so he contacted the State of Hawaii and that was what they sent him. A certified copy is not an actual copy (as in stick the original in a copy machine, push the "copy" button and then stamp "certified copy" on the copy that comes out of the machine) but it is a form filled out by the state with the pertinent information, generally embossed with the state seal on legal paper and "signed" by the county recorder or whoever is assigned the duty by the state or county. Therefore; it would not be a document from 1961, but rather a modern looking document authorized by the State of Hawaii.

As for the language, I've heard that argument and quite frankly, I don't give it a whole heck of a lot of weight. If it were faked, they would have known enough to have used whatever term was used back then. I have not heard of many people today that refer to themselves as "African". African-American yes, but not African, but that has been due to the PC climate we live in.

And as for the "I'm better than you because I voted for him" blinders you mentioned, I didn't vote for him, so I do not have those blinders on. I'm sure I'm better than you in some things and not as good as you in others.

As I have said before, I believe that he had to show proof when he registered to be put on the ballot. I highly doubt that the people responsible for verifying eligibility would have waited for the controversy to have come up before they decided to confirm his eligibility.

Didn't the left say pretty much the same thing about Bush's "Mission"? I remember Care4all saying things like he was the Anti-christ and others claiming that he would declare martial law before the 2008 elections and try to become President for life.

Taking down our system of government? It seems to me that more power has been sought by Presidents for a long, long time. Bush tried it with things like the Patriot Act, why would you expect Obama to be any different? That happens to be why we have three branches of our federal government. I pray that the checks and balances that were designed into our system still work although my confidence in our system is declining.

Bottom line: as far as I am concerned is that he is the President now whether I like it or not. These continued efforts are in my book useless and worse yet, a down right disaster if they succeeded in removing him from office, because as much as I disagree with him and his policies, Biden is a frigging moron!

Immie

 

[Care4all]

Not to you, but to some they just can't get it through their heads that the state keeps the original and ONLY issues certified copies.

The state would not give away the original.

They only produce certified copies and certified copies are considered legal documents.

I personally do not consider the internet version floating around the net to be a legal document, but I am not the one that needed to be convinced of the issue of his birth. I believe he provided evidence before the election and that should have been the end of the issue.

Those who refuse to accept that fact, should find someone born in Hawaii and ask them about the details that they need proof on.

If you can't accept a certified copy of a birth certificate from the state of issue, then what will you accept?

Immie

I don't have the original Immie, my copy of my Birth Certificate is a copy, a print of the original. That garbage that was posted on Barry's website was hand produced in the era of computers, not 1961, the language and look are completely different than what would have come from that time. Why do we not get to see an actual print of the original document, the one that states all of the facts and is either hand written or typed on a typewriter. The one that would have stated his father's race as negro, negroid or black...... not African, that is a modern term and idea, certainly not what would have been considered a race back in 61.... not when his mother was classified as caucasian.

I couldn't really give a shit where this asshole was born(the rules are meaningless anymore), it's common knowledge where he got his hatred of the Capitalist system, it was all around him growing up. His father.....communist. His Mother...... self described anarchist, her parents, the ones that raised the kid..... self proclaimed communist. His mentors have all been radical leftist except for the false one he constantly brings up and attempts to hide behind, Lincoln????? How contrived is that?

This jerks mission is to make himself more powerful and rich and then take down our system, it's obvious to anyone that don't have the racial(I'm better than you because I voted for a black guy)blinders on. This guy, being the easily guided puppet that he is, is the perfect storm to help destroy our way of life and bring on the new world order that leftist thugs have wanted through out my lifetime.

A hand written one?

I have not seen that one. The only one that I have seen is the green one floating around the internet.

Other people (not you) keep saying they want to see the original. States don't give out originals. They keep the originals and they give out certified copies. It is foolish to even ask for an original.

Re-reading what you wrote "a hand produced" copy, maybe it is the same one that I have seen. Maybe you mean they (the Obama camp) produced that "version". Maybe they did or maybe they didn't. Maybe when all this controversy began (or maybe it was needed for him to actually get on the ballot) he didn't have the needed documentation so he contacted the State of Hawaii and that was what they sent him. A certified copy is not an actual copy (as in stick the original in a copy machine, push the "copy" button and then stamp "certified copy" on the copy that comes out of the machine) but it is a form filled out by the state with the pertinent information, generally embossed with the state seal on legal paper and "signed" by the county recorder or whoever is assigned the duty by the state or county. Therefore; it would not be a document from 1961, but rather a modern looking document authorized by the State of Hawaii.

As for the language, I've heard that argument and quite frankly, I don't give it a whole heck of a lot of weight. If it were faked, they would have known enough to have used whatever term was used back then. I have not heard of many people today that refer to themselves as "African". African-American yes, but not African, but that has been due to the PC climate we live in.

And as for the "I'm better than you because I voted for him" blinders you mentioned, I didn't vote for him, so I do not have those blinders on. I'm sure I'm better than you in some things and not as good as you in others.

As I have said before, I believe that he had to show proof when he registered to be put on the ballot. I highly doubt that the people responsible for verifying eligibility would have waited for the controversy to have come up before they decided to confirm his eligibility.

Didn't the left say pretty much the same thing about Bush's "Mission"? I remember Care4all saying things like he was the Anti-christ and others claiming that he would declare martial law before the 2008 elections and try to become President for life.

Taking down our system of government? It seems to me that more power has been sought by Presidents for a long, long time. Bush tried it with things like the Patriot Act, why would you expect Obama to be any different? That happens to be why we have three branches of our federal government. I pray that the checks and balances that were designed into our system still work although my confidence in our system is declining.

Bottom line: as far as I am concerned is that he is the President now whether I like it or not. These continued efforts are in my book useless and worse yet, a down right disaster if they succeeded in removing him from office, because as much as I disagree with him and his policies, Biden is a frigging moron!

Immie

the only time I ever speculated on Bush being the antichrist when he was president, was in PRIVATE messages with you....and on this board AFTER he left office, I admitted to those who think Obama is the antichrist, that I once thought that President Bush could be...only to find out and laugh at myself, later.....I gave this as warning to those on this route with obama....

 

[Immanuel]

I don't have the original Immie, my copy of my Birth Certificate is a copy, a print of the original. That garbage that was posted on Barry's website was hand produced in the era of computers, not 1961, the language and look are completely different than what would have come from that time. Why do we not get to see an actual print of the original document, the one that states all of the facts and is either hand written or typed on a typewriter. The one that would have stated his father's race as negro, negroid or black...... not African, that is a modern term and idea, certainly not what would have been considered a race back in 61.... not when his mother was classified as caucasian.

I couldn't really give a shit where this asshole was born(the rules are meaningless anymore), it's common knowledge where he got his hatred of the Capitalist system, it was all around him growing up. His father.....communist. His Mother...... self described anarchist, her parents, the ones that raised the kid..... self proclaimed communist. His mentors have all been radical leftist except for the false one he constantly brings up and attempts to hide behind, Lincoln????? How contrived is that?

This jerks mission is to make himself more powerful and rich and then take down our system, it's obvious to anyone that don't have the racial(I'm better than you because I voted for a black guy)blinders on. This guy, being the easily guided puppet that he is, is the perfect storm to help destroy our way of life and bring on the new world order that leftist thugs have wanted through out my lifetime.

A hand written one?

I have not seen that one. The only one that I have seen is the green one floating around the internet.

Other people (not you) keep saying they want to see the original. States don't give out originals. They keep the originals and they give out certified copies. It is foolish to even ask for an original.

Re-reading what you wrote "a hand produced" copy, maybe it is the same one that I have seen. Maybe you mean they (the Obama camp) produced that "version". Maybe they did or maybe they didn't. Maybe when all this controversy began (or maybe it was needed for him to actually get on the ballot) he didn't have the needed documentation so he contacted the State of Hawaii and that was what they sent him. A certified copy is not an actual copy (as in stick the original in a copy machine, push the "copy" button and then stamp "certified copy" on the copy that comes out of the machine) but it is a form filled out by the state with the pertinent information, generally embossed with the state seal on legal paper and "signed" by the county recorder or whoever is assigned the duty by the state or county. Therefore; it would not be a document from 1961, but rather a modern looking document authorized by the State of Hawaii.

As for the language, I've heard that argument and quite frankly, I don't give it a whole heck of a lot of weight. If it were faked, they would have known enough to have used whatever term was used back then. I have not heard of many people today that refer to themselves as "African". African-American yes, but not African, but that has been due to the PC climate we live in.

And as for the "I'm better than you because I voted for him" blinders you mentioned, I didn't vote for him, so I do not have those blinders on. I'm sure I'm better than you in some things and not as good as you in others.

As I have said before, I believe that he had to show proof when he registered to be put on the ballot. I highly doubt that the people responsible for verifying eligibility would have waited for the controversy to have come up before they decided to confirm his eligibility.

Didn't the left say pretty much the same thing about Bush's "Mission"? I remember Care4all saying things like he was the Anti-christ and others claiming that he would declare martial law before the 2008 elections and try to become President for life.

Taking down our system of government? It seems to me that more power has been sought by Presidents for a long, long time. Bush tried it with things like the Patriot Act, why would you expect Obama to be any different? That happens to be why we have three branches of our federal government. I pray that the checks and balances that were designed into our system still work although my confidence in our system is declining.

Bottom line: as far as I am concerned is that he is the President now whether I like it or not. These continued efforts are in my book useless and worse yet, a down right disaster if they succeeded in removing him from office, because as much as I disagree with him and his policies, Biden is a frigging moron!

Immie

the only time I ever speculated on Bush being the antichrist when he was president, was in PRIVATE messages with you....and on this board AFTER he left office, I admitted to those who think Obama is the antichrist, that I once thought that President Bush could be...only to find out and laugh at myself, later.....I gave this as warning to those on this route with obama....

If they were in PM's please forgive me. I did not mean to divulge things you thought were private.

To me, that is just a part of the wonderful person you are... odd, but wonderful!

Immie

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is explosive and coming from the Chief Elections Clerk in Hawaii during the 2008 Presidential Campaign. He says he was in charge of verifying the Candidates and said Obama wasn't even born in Hawaii. This is not good for the President in light of all these troubles he has been having lately.


Listen to him in a interview. It's 7 minutes.

YouTube - Tim Adams Chief Elections Clerk exposes Obama Birth Certificate Scandal

Obama's mother knew that one day, he would be president. She raised him on "food stamps" because the first step in running the government is getting help from the government. You see, it was all part of the plan.

obama's mother raised obama on food stamps? Really? Where did you come up with this garbage? Do they give food stamps in Indonesia? obama was raised by his grand parents who had money. So did the government assist a wealth couplke to raise their grandson?

 

[Mini 14]

If Obama is shown now to not be a US citizen, and therefore could not serve as President, the new President would be:

Nancy Pelosi. (Biden could be deemed "elected" on an invalid ballot).

 

[Immanuel]

If Obama is shown now to not be a US citizen, and therefore could not serve as President, the new President would be:

Nancy Pelosi. (Biden could be deemed "elected" on an invalid ballot).

And that would be even worse than Biden!

Are you asking me to pray that the so-called "Birthers" fail? Because if what you say were true, you would definitely receive those prayers!

By the way, I don't know for sure, but I don't think you are correct. I think it would still fall to Biden and he would appoint a VP. I can't swear to that, but I think it would still fall to Biden.

Immie

 

[Intense]

It would go to Biden.

 

[Care4all]

If Obama is shown now to not be a US citizen, and therefore could not serve as President, the new President would be:

Nancy Pelosi. (Biden could be deemed "elected" on an invalid ballot).

Obama is a citizen....
'
the question birthers raised initially was whether he was a "natural born citizen"....at least initially this was their question...of course since then they are trying to throw whatever mud they can against the wall to see if it sticks....