Jets
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Just to be clear, I do not support the progressive left anymore than the reactionary right. I do not march in lockstep with them on immigration. The majority of those items you mentioned will never come to fruition. They are campaign folderol to pander for votes.
Good, prove the part that’s wrong.
Oh wait. You can’t.
1. Everything I posted is factual.
See if you can find otherwise.
2. "... the reactionary right. "
There is no 'reactionary right,' 'Far Right' or extremist Right.'
Those are terms of art produced by the Far Left, the evil Left, etc. to try to pretend equivalence.
The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.
The thesis is based on the definitions involved:
To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.
The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."
"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)
It's what the radical Obama was getting at when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008. “
Transforming from the positions that America was built on.
So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.
Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left
1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?
2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.
3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.
Starting to see a pattern?
4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.
5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..
6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.
A radical and Progressive position.
He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."
7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...
Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.
8. Under Roosevelt's NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement,
"... into a fascist-style arrangement,..."
"A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents."
No surprise here: FDR's New Deal was a copy of Mussolini's economic program.
Could anything short of setting up concentration camps for our citizens, be more radical???
Oh...wait....he did build concentration camps for innocent civilians....his own citizens.
9. How about The Far Left's Gender-Agenda., versus the Right's stand for tradition and reality: "Republicans Battle to Roll Back Washington's New Transgender Bathroom Rules"
Really....could there be a more pertinent example of the radical, insane Far Left's corruption of tradition and history???
Could there?
10. The corruption of the press by the Far Left: the JournoList Scandal: hundreds of Leftist journalists plotted to minimize negative publicity surrounding Obama’s radical ties. They plotted to smear the other side with lies. Peter Zenger....spinnning in his grave.
A clear affront to the honor bestowed on the press by the first amendment.
And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or reactionary Right, or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.
Still waiting.
Asked and answered in an earlier post. You glossed over them and dismissed them. That’s on you.
Let's review.
1. You couldn't refute any of the reasons I listed for voting for Trump
2. You couldn't refute any of the promises for America that Democrats promised if elected.
3. You couldn't find a single 'reactionary'- your word- or Far or extreme position of the GOP.
4. You clearly don't understand the origins of Democrat/Progressive/Leftist doctrines....that would be Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx.
5. I claimed you must be a government school grad.....bet I'm correct on that as well.
What more is there to say?
Thank's for dropping byJust to be clear, I do not support the progressive left anymore than the reactionary right. I do not march in lockstep with them on immigration. The majority of those items you mentioned will never come to fruition. They are campaign folderol to pander for votes.
Good, prove the part that’s wrong.
Oh wait. You can’t.
1. Everything I posted is factual.
See if you can find otherwise.
2. "... the reactionary right. "
There is no 'reactionary right,' 'Far Right' or extremist Right.'
Those are terms of art produced by the Far Left, the evil Left, etc. to try to pretend equivalence.
The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.
The thesis is based on the definitions involved:
To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.
The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."
"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)
It's what the radical Obama was getting at when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008. “
Transforming from the positions that America was built on.
So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.
Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left
1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?
2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.
3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.
Starting to see a pattern?
4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.
5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..
6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.
A radical and Progressive position.
He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."
7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...
Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.
8. Under Roosevelt's NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement,
"... into a fascist-style arrangement,..."
"A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents."
No surprise here: FDR's New Deal was a copy of Mussolini's economic program.
Could anything short of setting up concentration camps for our citizens, be more radical???
Oh...wait....he did build concentration camps for innocent civilians....his own citizens.
9. How about The Far Left's Gender-Agenda., versus the Right's stand for tradition and reality: "Republicans Battle to Roll Back Washington's New Transgender Bathroom Rules"
Really....could there be a more pertinent example of the radical, insane Far Left's corruption of tradition and history???
Could there?
10. The corruption of the press by the Far Left: the JournoList Scandal: hundreds of Leftist journalists plotted to minimize negative publicity surrounding Obama’s radical ties. They plotted to smear the other side with lies. Peter Zenger....spinnning in his grave.
A clear affront to the honor bestowed on the press by the first amendment.
And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or reactionary Right, or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.
Still waiting.
Asked and answered in an earlier post. You glossed over them and dismissed them. That’s on you.
Let's review.
1. You couldn't refute any of the reasons I listed for voting for Trump
2. You couldn't refute any of the promises for America that Democrats promised if elected.
3. You couldn't find a single 'reactionary'- your word- or Far or extreme position of the GOP.
4. You clearly don't understand the origins of Democrat/Progressive/Leftist doctrines....that would be Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx.
5. I claimed you must be a government school grad.....bet I'm correct on that as well.
What more is there to say?
Thank's for dropping by.
1. Hyperbole dismissed
2. Those promises are campaign rhetoric designed to influence the vote. They will never become law.
3. Abortion without any exceptions has been proposed by the some members of the GOP. That’s extreme.
4. More hyperbole, again dismissed
5. Incorrect
Thanks for playing
"Dismissed' is but another way to admit that I am correct, and you can't deny or refute.
Correct.
One does not deny or refute hyperbole. It dismisses itself.