Vermont plans launch of ‘universal’ health care system: It’s a ‘right and not a privi

[thanatos144]

What more do you want than a link to their government site that supports my claim of a six month wait for hip replacement surgery?

I guess folks reading the thread can decide for themselves if my claim is wrong or not. The links are there

The link means nothing without nuance and context. You are fail.

The link means nothing because you don't want it to. Like I said, the readers can decide for themselves

Fakie lies so much he doesn't know what the truth looks like.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The link means nothing without nuance and context. You are fail.

The link means nothing because you don't want it to. Like I said, the readers can decide for themselves

Fakie lies so much he doesn't know what the truth looks like.

Whoa.......deep. You should put that on a T-shirt or sumthin'. All of you nutters are so eloquent.

 

[Zoom-boing]

So just so I understand this correctly, the folks who put Canada up as a bastion of healthcare are ok with waiting for 6 months for a hip replacement if you can't walk, (not counting the approx 3 month wait to see a specialist before even making the apt), just so long as you get in quick if you fall and break your hip?

That is what you parrot as "great"?

Waiting 6 months beats not getting it at all because you do not have the money to pay for it.

There are Americans who need a hip replacement and cannot get one at all without this law. This is where you guys fuck up. It is a flawed argument.

Wait... I thought we (you and me) were already paying for all those who couldn't afford it. You know, that's why hospital costs are jacked up and all.

 

[Zoom-boing]

YEA GO for it Vermont! It is a STATE's RIGHT! And if they can make it work GREAT!
That's why they call the states "
Laboratories of democracy is a phrase popularized by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis in New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann"
This concept explains how within the federal framework, there exists a system of filtration where state and local governments act as “laboratories,” where law is created and enacted from the lowest level of the democratic system, up to the top level.
Laboratories of democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And that is where our GOP failed in the 1990s and early 2000s. We knows it works in Massachusetts, and we have no doubt that it will work in VT.

The far right fringe's fight is fail, period.

Is romneycare still being subsidized by the fed gov't?

 

[LoneLaugher]

So just so I understand this correctly, the folks who put Canada up as a bastion of healthcare are ok with waiting for 6 months for a hip replacement if you can't walk, (not counting the approx 3 month wait to see a specialist before even making the apt), just so long as you get in quick if you fall and break your hip?

That is what you parrot as "great"?

Waiting 6 months beats not getting it at all because you do not have the money to pay for it.

There are Americans who need a hip replacement and cannot get one at all without this law. This is where you guys fuck up. It is a flawed argument.

Wait... I thought we (you and me) were already paying for all those who couldn't afford it. You know, that's why hospital costs are jacked up and all.

You do not get hip replacements in the ER.....sorry. Nice try......sort of.

And...hospital costs are jacked up because we have a for profit mentality about health care. Stupid at its core.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Waiting 6 months beats not getting it at all because you do not have the money to pay for it.

There are Americans who need a hip replacement and cannot get one at all without this law. This is where you guys fuck up. It is a flawed argument.

Wait... I thought we (you and me) were already paying for all those who couldn't afford it. You know, that's why hospital costs are jacked up and all.

You do not get hip replacements in the ER.....sorry. Nice try......sort of.

And...hospital costs are jacked up because we have a for profit mentality about health care. Stupid at its core.

I never said hip replacements were done in the er. Hospital costs are jacked up because rolled into that cost is money to cover the uninsured. Are you saying that's not the case?

 

[The Rabbi]

Wait... I thought we (you and me) were already paying for all those who couldn't afford it. You know, that's why hospital costs are jacked up and all.

You do not get hip replacements in the ER.....sorry. Nice try......sort of.

And...hospital costs are jacked up because we have a for profit mentality about health care. Stupid at its core.

I never said hip replacements were done in the er. Hospital costs are jacked up because rolled into that cost is money to cover the uninsured. Are you saying that's not the case?

He gripes about the "profit mentality." If you look at medical procedures that are absolutely not covered under insurance, like Lasik or boob jobs, you discover that costs have been steadily declining and quality increasing. The exact opposite of covered care.
The profit mentality is lowering costs, not raising them.

Another lib myth bites the dust.

 

[Flopper]

Canada did it one Province at a time in the beginning. Trial and error. We will get there.

I'm glad they are going to try this out. We need to learn if it will work and how well it will work. While I do support a one payer system, I would prefer some type of hybrid system that allows for supplemental insurance as they have in the UK.

Vermont is near universal care now. 96 percent of Vermont children have coverage, and 91 percent of the overall population has coverage. They certainly are not representative of other states like Texas, Georgia, or Florida where 1 in every 4 or 5 people have no health insurance coverage.

Report: States with the worst health coverage

 

[Flopper]

Canada did it one Province at a time in the beginning. Trial and error. We will get there.

And the result is a right to a waiting list, not healthcare.

Let's see: You take a desirable thing, in this case healthcare, and you make it free. As cost declines, demand rises. BUt as cost declines supply also declines. The result is called "shortage", dealt with by rationing.
Yup, basic Econ 101, the subject libs keep failing.

We ration healthcare now.

 

[The Rabbi]

And the result is a right to a waiting list, not healthcare.

Let's see: You take a desirable thing, in this case healthcare, and you make it free. As cost declines, demand rises. BUt as cost declines supply also declines. The result is called "shortage", dealt with by rationing.
Yup, basic Econ 101, the subject libs keep failing.

We ration healthcare now.

No, we apportion it, more or less like other goods and services. Except for the enormous distortion of gov't interference in the market.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Wait... I thought we (you and me) were already paying for all those who couldn't afford it. You know, that's why hospital costs are jacked up and all.

You do not get hip replacements in the ER.....sorry. Nice try......sort of.

And...hospital costs are jacked up because we have a for profit mentality about health care. Stupid at its core.

I never said hip replacements were done in the er. Hospital costs are jacked up because rolled into that cost is money to cover the uninsured. Are you saying that's not the case?

Uninsured do not get hip replacement surgery done. They will be denied unless they have the cash or credit. Please....stop.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You do not get hip replacements in the ER.....sorry. Nice try......sort of.

And...hospital costs are jacked up because we have a for profit mentality about health care. Stupid at its core.

I never said hip replacements were done in the er. Hospital costs are jacked up because rolled into that cost is money to cover the uninsured. Are you saying that's not the case?

He gripes about the "profit mentality." If you look at medical procedures that are absolutely not covered under insurance, like Lasik or boob jobs, you discover that costs have been steadily declining and quality increasing. The exact opposite of covered care.
The profit mentality is lowering costs, not raising them.

Another lib myth bites the dust.

Retarded way of looking at the matter. Think about it. Play devil's advocate for a while. Teach yourself something.

 

[The Rabbi]

I never said hip replacements were done in the er. Hospital costs are jacked up because rolled into that cost is money to cover the uninsured. Are you saying that's not the case?

He gripes about the "profit mentality." If you look at medical procedures that are absolutely not covered under insurance, like Lasik or boob jobs, you discover that costs have been steadily declining and quality increasing. The exact opposite of covered care.
The profit mentality is lowering costs, not raising them.

Another lib myth bites the dust.

Retarded way of looking at the matter. Think about it. Play devil's advocate for a while. Teach yourself something.

Translation: I cannot think about this because it runs against what I know to be right. So I'll deflect and hope he doesn't notice.
Fail.

 

[thanatos144]

You can always count on liberals trying to force communism down everybody's throat and over reach

 

[JakeStarkey]

YEA GO for it Vermont! It is a STATE's RIGHT! And if they can make it work GREAT!
That's why they call the states "
Laboratories of democracy is a phrase popularized by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis in New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann"
This concept explains how within the federal framework, there exists a system of filtration where state and local governments act as “laboratories,” where law is created and enacted from the lowest level of the democratic system, up to the top level.
Laboratories of democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And that is where our GOP failed in the 1990s and early 2000s. We knows it works in Massachusetts, and we have no doubt that it will work in VT.

The far right fringe's fight is fail, period.

Is romneycare still being subsidized by the fed gov't?

Does it matter if it is subsidized or not? Does it work? Is it cost effective, affordable, and accessible? Do the citizens of Mass overwhelmingly approve it?

 

[Zoom-boing]

And that is where our GOP failed in the 1990s and early 2000s. We knows it works in Massachusetts, and we have no doubt that it will work in VT.

The far right fringe's fight is fail, period.

Is romneycare still being subsidized by the fed gov't?

Does it matter if it is subsidized or not? Does it work? Is it cost effective, affordable, and accessible? Do the citizens of Mass overwhelmingly approve it?

Yeah, it does.

Not if it needs fed money.

 

[thanatos144]

And that is where our GOP failed in the 1990s and early 2000s. We knows it works in Massachusetts, and we have no doubt that it will work in VT.

The far right fringe's fight is fail, period.

Is romneycare still being subsidized by the fed gov't?

Does it matter if it is subsidized or not? Does it work? Is it cost effective, affordable, and accessible? Do the citizens of Mass overwhelmingly approve it?

If the federal government is subsidizing it is no longer just a state welfare problem it is federal welfare problem and well that's fraud

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Canada did it one Province at a time in the beginning. Trial and error. We will get there.

I'm glad they are going to try this out. We need to learn if it will work and how well it will work. While I do support a one payer system, I would prefer some type of hybrid system that allows for supplemental insurance as they have in the UK.

The UK does not allow supplemental insurance. It's illegal there, which in my opinion is one reason why their health care system is so awful.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Vermont plans launch of ‘universal’ health care system: It’s a ‘right and not a privilege’

MONTPELIER, Vt. — As states open insurance marketplaces amid uncertainty about whether they’re a solution for health care, Vermont is eying a bigger goal, one that more fully embraces a government-funded model.

The state has a planned 2017 launch of the nation’s first universal health care system, a sort of modified Medicare-for-all that has long been a dream for many liberals.

The plan is especially ambitious in the current atmosphere surrounding health care in the United States. Republicans in Congress balk at the federal health overhaul years after it was signed into law. States are still negotiating their terms for implementing it. And some major employers have begun to drastically limit their offerings of employee health insurance, raising questions about the future of the industry altogether

Read more: Vermont plans launch of 'universal' health care system: It's a 'right and not a privilege' - Washington Times
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If the State of Vermont wants to implement something like this then that's fine. That is the way it should be done, state by state, not some giant federal bureaucracy in D.C.

Of course, Vermont has no revenue stream at this point in time to fund any of this.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

And that is where our GOP failed in the 1990s and early 2000s. We knows it works in Massachusetts, and we have no doubt that it will work in VT.

The far right fringe's fight is fail, period.

Is romneycare still being subsidized by the fed gov't?

Does it matter if it is subsidized or not?

Yes, it does, because if it can't survive without the other 49 states helping to pick up the tab it's not working, is it.