Wag the dog

[CowboyTed]

Trump’s cowardly murder of the General must be seen for what it is. Accept it.

Donnie just made Sniffy Joe look like a foreign policy expert. Major fuck by Donnie.

Anything that Trump does would be "wag the dog". If this had happened during the Mueller years or whenever.

Just tired and hackneyed.

Ok, then Trump pulled a Clinton.

On the eve of Bill Clinton Impeachment Vote he attacked Iraq, so there you have Trump being like his buddy Bill but instead of Saddam to play with we now have to worry about Iran entire terrorist network around the world and the mere fact China and Russia back Iran...

Sure. I remember when we were going to have millions of Jihadi Iraqis 15 years ago.

Dog whistle shit.

Well Trump just assassinated the guy who was fighting them and stopped that happening.. Good Luck finding anymore allies in the region...

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yes. But this is about you and Trump.

You misjudged Trump when it comes to his claims to want an end to wars and conflict. I’m one of the people here who told you that his anti-war posturing was bullshit and that he has never cared about anything but himself and his “ratings”. You responded with derision and arrogance.

Are you going to be less abrasive in our future discussions? Maybe a little contrite?

I will be. I had hoped he wasn’t just another lying warmonger like W an O, but I was wrong.

I hope those like me who voted for him based on his nonintervention statements (lies), will dump his fat ass big time in November.

You almost got there.

Do you see any difference in the approach that Obama took regarding conflict and the one that Trump has taken? Or...do you think they are equally hawkish? Of the two, which would you choose to make critical FP decisions if your aim is to have less conflict?

There is a correct answer to that question.

Oh, so now you are going to try to make Ears look good. Please he’s a fucking lying warmonger, elitist, and a corporatist. All Very bad traits.

However, he was smart enough to know murdering this General is a very dumb idea. The neocons came to O when he was potus, demanding he approve the assassination of the general. Unlike dumb Donnie, he told them no.

Well. I wasn’t trying to make anyone look good. I was responding to you grouping him in with Trump as though they are somehow similar in their approach to FP and conflict. I think that’s ridiculous on its face.

Jesus really? O armed ISIS. He turned the ME into a slaughter house, causing millions to flee to Europe. He turned Libya into a failed state. He droned Americans and lots of others. He dropped more bombs than W.

This is why I can’t take you seriously. You are a partisan dupe not unlike the Trumpettes.

O got Iran to agree to suspend their nuclear weapons program.

 

[CowboyTed]

Surely you jest?? Cold blooded killing??

What a load of horse shit. Iran funds every terrorist outfit out there and the death of that asshole General was well deserved.

Who knows how many people those terrorist outfits have killed??

I think the American people will applaud the killing of that asshole.

I know I sure do. Oh and Trump will win in 2020.

Carry on you dumbass.

You know he was also fighting ISIS in Iraq and has a lot of local support.

I would love to see the intel on the original attack which they said a miltia attacked US/Iraq base...

Are we sure that Kata'ib Hezbollah actually did it?
Have we proof that the General ordered it?

What doesn't make sense after US killed 25 people from Kata'ib Hezbollah. They responded with a non lethal protest (man on a loudspeaker urged the mob not to enter the compound, saying: "The message was delivered.")... This is a response to killing 25 and wounding 55... This looks very measured and US responded with another lethal attack...

This all looks like the Trump Administration is escalating and escalating.. We need to see the evidence of who was involved ion the original attack...
It could have been bunch rogue guys from any org or even ISIS sleeper cell (who have been operating in the area)...

Are we going to war over this? But lets be very clear Trump has over reacted, Iran's protest at the embassy was not lethal and Trump overreacted and looks like he is more volatile than Iran.

Agreed. However we will never see any evidence from this government. Probably because there isn’t any evidence.

Trump fucked up big time, now Americans will die. We can only hope he backs down, rather than further escalating.

Funny enough I think Iran will back down for now... Iran can develop a Nuke while waiting to see the next US election. Why poke the bear... They will have US kicked out of Iraq and Iran will defacto have control over Iran, Iraq and Syria and parts of Lebanon.. That is very big, they look like the restrained ones in the region now... This region is desperately looking for stability and if Iran offers that they will be welcomed ion both arms...

This was a serious screw up.... Iran will become a major power in the region and US has to retreat of give blood... Russia and China then step in to back up Iran and have now control of the region. US spend the lives and money and the other reap the benefit... Super stupid...
Trump is playing Snap against guys who play Chess...

 

[CowboyTed]

Nah. No war with Iran. Iran knows if they go to war with us it will be one short war.

Iran doesn't want war with us because they would lose and they know it. They would also lose the people they subjugate right now. I'd bet the Iranian people would love to get rid of the Ayatollahs.

Ayatollahs are thanking trump right now... He is there campaign poster child at the moment.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Before too much longer Trump will actually offer to back off Iran if Democrats back off Impeachment.

What "impeachment"?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nah. No war with Iran. Iran knows if they go to war with us it will be one short war.

Iran doesn't want war with us because they would lose and they know it. They would also lose the people they subjugate right now. I'd bet the Iranian people would love to get rid of the Ayatollahs.

Ayatollahs are thanking trump right now... He is there campaign poster child at the moment.

Remember when Obama backed the ayatollahs over the people protesting in Iran? Then he paid them, $150,000,000,000, you ever wonder what the Obama guys got out of that deal?

 

[CowboyTed]

I have misjudged many politicians in my life. Have you?

Yes. But this is about you and Trump.

You misjudged Trump when it comes to his claims to want an end to wars and conflict. I’m one of the people here who told you that his anti-war posturing was bullshit and that he has never cared about anything but himself and his “ratings”. You responded with derision and arrogance.

Are you going to be less abrasive in our future discussions? Maybe a little contrite?

I will be. I had hoped he wasn’t just another lying warmonger like W an O, but I was wrong.

I hope those like me who voted for him based on his nonintervention statements (lies), will dump his fat ass big time in November.

You almost got there.

Do you see any difference in the approach that Obama took regarding conflict and the one that Trump has taken? Or...do you think they are equally hawkish? Of the two, which would you choose to make critical FP decisions if your aim is to have less conflict?

There is a correct answer to that question.

Oh, so now you are going to try to make Ears look good. Please he’s a fucking lying warmonger, elitist, and a corporatist. All Very bad traits.

However, he was smart enough to know murdering this General is a very dumb idea. The neocons came to O when he was potus, demanding he approve the assassination of the general. Unlike dumb Donnie, he told them no.

So let's say you are right. Let's say the general was innocent. What if Trump was given intelligence that said otherwise. If so, the problem is not with Trump, it is with the intelligence community that will continue to advise future presidents.

That is a 'what if...'... Trump has shown no respect in the past and has actually believed Putin over them. Also this strike was not told to the normal team but kept very close.

The buck stops with the President and you would have never accepted that excuse from other Presidents. Why would Trump get a pass for not questioning intelligence...

The main question is Trump wanted to provoke Iranian. Why? What does he want?

At the moment it looks like a war...

 

[CowboyTed]

Nah. No war with Iran. Iran knows if they go to war with us it will be one short war.

Iran doesn't want war with us because they would lose and they know it. They would also lose the people they subjugate right now. I'd bet the Iranian people would love to get rid of the Ayatollahs.

Ayatollahs are thanking trump right now... He is there campaign poster child at the moment.

Remember when Obama backed the ayatollahs over the people protesting in Iran? Then he paid them, $150,000,000,000, you ever wonder what the Obama guys got out of that deal?

No he didn't you clown...

You are just making FOOL OF YOURSELF HERE...

 

[dblack]

Before too much longer Trump will actually offer to back off Iran if Democrats back off Impeachment.

The dumb Democrats now actually have a good reason to impeach and remove Donnie. His cold blooded cowardly killing of the General, should get him removed. I doubt it will. Hopefully the American people remove him in November.

I doubt it. There are a lot of pro-wrestling fans voting now.

 

[CowboyTed]

You almost got there.

Do you see any difference in the approach that Obama took regarding conflict and the one that Trump has taken? Or...do you think they are equally hawkish? Of the two, which would you choose to make critical FP decisions if your aim is to have less conflict?

There is a correct answer to that question.

Oh, so now you are going to try to make Ears look good. Please he’s a fucking lying warmonger, elitist, and a corporatist. All Very bad traits.

However, he was smart enough to know murdering this General is a very dumb idea. The neocons came to O when he was potus, demanding he approve the assassination of the general. Unlike dumb Donnie, he told them no.

Well. I wasn’t trying to make anyone look good. I was responding to you grouping him in with Trump as though they are somehow similar in their approach to FP and conflict. I think that’s ridiculous on its face.

Jesus really? O armed ISIS. He turned the ME into a slaughter house, causing millions to flee to Europe. He turned Libya into a failed state. He droned Americans and lots of others. He dropped more bombs than W.

This is why I can’t take you seriously. You are a partisan dupe not unlike the Trumpettes.

Obama didn't arm ISIS... Actually Bush Admin had a chance to take them out early but didn't take it as it went against Iraq War.

Libya is not Obama fault, actually EU did most of the bombing, US just took out the anti aircraft... It turns out Libya is a pretty lawless place and Gaddafi was keeping a lid on it (with a Iron Rod & no human rights). The place was a powder keg and was already in a blood bath before hand.

Obama droned a lot but was far more careful than Bush or Trump...

Now between Bush and Obama, Obama had better technology and more drones to work with... Drone Strikes are safer for US personal, they are far more controlled than a scared kid on top Humvee waiting for a IED.

That is why they are supported... There are bad guys and they need to be dealt with but the is a responsible way to do it... Trump has greatly increased the civilian deaths, that is very damaging for the US. It also shows us why he didn't mind going for Iranian Cultural sites, Trump doesn't understand that hitting Civilians just hardens the people against you and further increases there resolve.

Love to see The ISIS Death Toll Rise under President Trump

They are civilian numbers not fighters...

But hey:
US to stop revealing drone deaths

So much for transparency...

 

[MisterBeale]

The dumb Democrats now actually have a good reason to impeach and remove Donnie. His cold blooded cowardly killing of the General, should get him removed. I doubt it will. Hopefully the American people remove him in November.

You misjudged Trump?

I have misjudged many politicians in my life. Have you?

Yes. But this is about you and Trump.

You misjudged Trump when it comes to his claims to want an end to wars and conflict. I’m one of the people here who told you that his anti-war posturing was bullshit and that he has never cared about anything but himself and his “ratings”. You responded with derision and arrogance.

Are you going to be less abrasive in our future discussions? Maybe a little contrite?

I will be. I had hoped he wasn’t just another lying warmonger like W an O, but I was wrong.

I hope those like me who voted for him based on his nonintervention statements (lies), will dump his fat ass big time in November.

You almost got there.

Do you see any difference in the approach that Obama took regarding conflict and the one that Trump has taken? Or...do you think they are equally hawkish? Of the two, which would you choose to make critical FP decisions if your aim is to have less conflict?

There is a correct answer to that question.

Yeah, I see a difference in approach.

Obama kills generals with paid groups of mercenary thugs of radical gangs, Trump uses drones.

Big difference in approach.

The end will be the same result.

Just like Libya, if we come out victorious, the end result for the people of Iran will turn it into a steaming pile of shit, while the empire steals it's resources.

But this time will be different. Iran is aligned with Russia and China, and this has all been planed well in advance. The U.S. is being purposely set up to be the evil Germany this time, since the reserve currency is long in the tooth, and that pesky 2nd Amendment is a thorn in the side to the global rulers.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nah. No war with Iran. Iran knows if they go to war with us it will be one short war.

Iran doesn't want war with us because they would lose and they know it. They would also lose the people they subjugate right now. I'd bet the Iranian people would love to get rid of the Ayatollahs.

Ayatollahs are thanking trump right now... He is there campaign poster child at the moment.

Remember when Obama backed the ayatollahs over the people protesting in Iran? Then he paid them, $150,000,000,000, you ever wonder what the Obama guys got out of that deal?

No he didn't you clown...

You are just making FOOL OF YOURSELF HERE...

The largest groups supporting the democrats are: Illegals, Jihadists, ChiComs and the non-living. There won't be anything left of democrats after Trump's 57 State Sweep this November

 

[Weatherman2020]

Trump’s cowardly murder of the General must be seen for what it is. Accept it.

Donnie just made Sniffy Joe look like a foreign policy expert. Major fuck by Donnie.

I thought this thread would be about Obama starting wars with Syria and Libya.

 

[The Original Tree]

Oh, so now you are going to try to make Ears look good. Please he’s a fucking lying warmonger, elitist, and a corporatist. All Very bad traits.

However, he was smart enough to know murdering this General is a very dumb idea. The neocons came to O when he was potus, demanding he approve the assassination of the general. Unlike dumb Donnie, he told them no.

Well. I wasn’t trying to make anyone look good. I was responding to you grouping him in with Trump as though they are somehow similar in their approach to FP and conflict. I think that’s ridiculous on its face.

Jesus really? O armed ISIS. He turned the ME into a slaughter house, causing millions to flee to Europe. He turned Libya into a failed state. He droned Americans and lots of others. He dropped more bombs than W.

This is why I can’t take you seriously. You are a partisan dupe not unlike the Trumpettes.

Obama didn't arm ISIS... Actually Bush Admin had a chance to take them out early but didn't take it as it went against Iraq War.

Libya is not Obama fault, actually EU did most of the bombing, US just took out the anti aircraft... It turns out Libya is a pretty lawless place and Gaddafi was keeping a lid on it (with a Iron Rod & no human rights). The place was a powder keg and was already in a blood bath before hand.

Obama droned a lot but was far more careful than Bush or Trump...

Now between Bush and Obama, Obama had better technology and more drones to work with... Drone Strikes are safer for US personal, they are far more controlled than a scared kid on top Humvee waiting for a IED.

That is why they are supported... There are bad guys and they need to be dealt with but the is a responsible way to do it... Trump has greatly increased the civilian deaths, that is very damaging for the US. It also shows us why he didn't mind going for Iranian Cultural sites, Trump doesn't understand that hitting Civilians just hardens the people against you and further increases there resolve.

Love to see The ISIS Death Toll Rise under President Trump

They are civilian numbers not fighters...

But hey:
US to stop revealing drone deaths

So much for transparency...

I highly doubt that since ISIS does not wear Uniforms and uses Human Shields, so I don't buy those numbers at all.

But here are some real numbers for you.

Since The Syrian Civil War began, Assad has killed 400,000 of his own people.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You misjudged Trump?

I have misjudged many politicians in my life. Have you?

Yes. But this is about you and Trump.

You misjudged Trump when it comes to his claims to want an end to wars and conflict. I’m one of the people here who told you that his anti-war posturing was bullshit and that he has never cared about anything but himself and his “ratings”. You responded with derision and arrogance.

Are you going to be less abrasive in our future discussions? Maybe a little contrite?

I will be. I had hoped he wasn’t just another lying warmonger like W an O, but I was wrong.

I hope those like me who voted for him based on his nonintervention statements (lies), will dump his fat ass big time in November.

You almost got there.

Do you see any difference in the approach that Obama took regarding conflict and the one that Trump has taken? Or...do you think they are equally hawkish? Of the two, which would you choose to make critical FP decisions if your aim is to have less conflict?

There is a correct answer to that question.

Yeah, I see a difference in approach.

Obama kills generals with paid groups of mercenary thugs of radical gangs, Trump uses drones.

Big difference in approach.

The end will be the same result.

Just like Libya, if we come out victorious, the end result for the people of Iran will turn it into a steaming pile of shit, while the empire steals it's resources.

But this time will be different. Iran is aligned with Russia and China, and this has all been planed well in advance. The U.S. is being purposely set up to be the evil Germany this time, since the reserve currency is long in the tooth, and that pesky 2nd Amendment is a thorn in the side to the global rulers.

I think that the 09 Iranian Revolt was crushed because the Iranians knew that they had Caliph Obama as a brother in Jihad, I don't think the same thing happens today. Might be more like Hong Kong I think

 

[The Original Tree]

Yes. But this is about you and Trump.

You misjudged Trump when it comes to his claims to want an end to wars and conflict. I’m one of the people here who told you that his anti-war posturing was bullshit and that he has never cared about anything but himself and his “ratings”. You responded with derision and arrogance.

Are you going to be less abrasive in our future discussions? Maybe a little contrite?

I will be. I had hoped he wasn’t just another lying warmonger like W an O, but I was wrong.

I hope those like me who voted for him based on his nonintervention statements (lies), will dump his fat ass big time in November.

You almost got there.

Do you see any difference in the approach that Obama took regarding conflict and the one that Trump has taken? Or...do you think they are equally hawkish? Of the two, which would you choose to make critical FP decisions if your aim is to have less conflict?

There is a correct answer to that question.

Oh, so now you are going to try to make Ears look good. Please he’s a fucking lying warmonger, elitist, and a corporatist. All Very bad traits.

However, he was smart enough to know murdering this General is a very dumb idea. The neocons came to O when he was potus, demanding he approve the assassination of the general. Unlike dumb Donnie, he told them no.

So let's say you are right. Let's say the general was innocent. What if Trump was given intelligence that said otherwise. If so, the problem is not with Trump, it is with the intelligence community that will continue to advise future presidents.

That is a 'what if...'... Trump has shown no respect in the past and has actually believed Putin over them. Also this strike was not told to the normal team but kept very close.

The buck stops with the President and you would have never accepted that excuse from other Presidents. Why would Trump get a pass for not questioning intelligence...

The main question is Trump wanted to provoke Iranian. Why? What does he want?

At the moment it looks like a war...

90% of Iran's Military is Incinerated in Ezekiel 38-39, because God considers them a wicked people and punishes them and their allies when they come down out of the North to attack Israel in The Battle of Gog and Magog.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Well. I wasn’t trying to make anyone look good. I was responding to you grouping him in with Trump as though they are somehow similar in their approach to FP and conflict. I think that’s ridiculous on its face.

Jesus really? O armed ISIS. He turned the ME into a slaughter house, causing millions to flee to Europe. He turned Libya into a failed state. He droned Americans and lots of others. He dropped more bombs than W.

This is why I can’t take you seriously. You are a partisan dupe not unlike the Trumpettes.

Obama didn't arm ISIS... Actually Bush Admin had a chance to take them out early but didn't take it as it went against Iraq War.

Libya is not Obama fault, actually EU did most of the bombing, US just took out the anti aircraft... It turns out Libya is a pretty lawless place and Gaddafi was keeping a lid on it (with a Iron Rod & no human rights). The place was a powder keg and was already in a blood bath before hand.

Obama droned a lot but was far more careful than Bush or Trump...

Now between Bush and Obama, Obama had better technology and more drones to work with... Drone Strikes are safer for US personal, they are far more controlled than a scared kid on top Humvee waiting for a IED.

That is why they are supported... There are bad guys and they need to be dealt with but the is a responsible way to do it... Trump has greatly increased the civilian deaths, that is very damaging for the US. It also shows us why he didn't mind going for Iranian Cultural sites, Trump doesn't understand that hitting Civilians just hardens the people against you and further increases there resolve.

Love to see The ISIS Death Toll Rise under President Trump

They are civilian numbers not fighters...

But hey:
US to stop revealing drone deaths

So much for transparency...

I highly doubt that since ISIS does not wear Uniforms and uses Human Shields, so I don't buy those numbers at all.

But here are some real numbers for you.

Since The Syrian Civil War began, Assad has killed 400,000 of his own people.

Leftards love cheerleading for ISIS.

 

[gipper]

Oh, so now you are going to try to make Ears look good. Please he’s a fucking lying warmonger, elitist, and a corporatist. All Very bad traits.

However, he was smart enough to know murdering this General is a very dumb idea. The neocons came to O when he was potus, demanding he approve the assassination of the general. Unlike dumb Donnie, he told them no.

Well. I wasn’t trying to make anyone look good. I was responding to you grouping him in with Trump as though they are somehow similar in their approach to FP and conflict. I think that’s ridiculous on its face.

Jesus really? O armed ISIS. He turned the ME into a slaughter house, causing millions to flee to Europe. He turned Libya into a failed state. He droned Americans and lots of others. He dropped more bombs than W.

This is why I can’t take you seriously. You are a partisan dupe not unlike the Trumpettes.

Obama didn't arm ISIS... Actually Bush Admin had a chance to take them out early but didn't take it as it went against Iraq War.

Libya is not Obama fault, actually EU did most of the bombing, US just took out the anti aircraft... It turns out Libya is a pretty lawless place and Gaddafi was keeping a lid on it (with a Iron Rod & no human rights). The place was a powder keg and was already in a blood bath before hand.

Obama droned a lot but was far more careful than Bush or Trump...

Now between Bush and Obama, Obama had better technology and more drones to work with... Drone Strikes are safer for US personal, they are far more controlled than a scared kid on top Humvee waiting for a IED.

That is why they are supported... There are bad guys and they need to be dealt with but the is a responsible way to do it... Trump has greatly increased the civilian deaths, that is very damaging for the US. It also shows us why he didn't mind going for Iranian Cultural sites, Trump doesn't understand that hitting Civilians just hardens the people against you and further increases there resolve.

Love to see The ISIS Death Toll Rise under President Trump

They are civilian numbers not fighters...

But hey:
US to stop revealing drone deaths

So much for transparency...

It just keeps getting worse.

 

[The Original Tree]

If Hitler were alive Criticizing President Trump, they'd be giving him standing Ovations.

Jesus really? O armed ISIS. He turned the ME into a slaughter house, causing millions to flee to Europe. He turned Libya into a failed state. He droned Americans and lots of others. He dropped more bombs than W.

This is why I can’t take you seriously. You are a partisan dupe not unlike the Trumpettes.

Obama didn't arm ISIS... Actually Bush Admin had a chance to take them out early but didn't take it as it went against Iraq War.

Libya is not Obama fault, actually EU did most of the bombing, US just took out the anti aircraft... It turns out Libya is a pretty lawless place and Gaddafi was keeping a lid on it (with a Iron Rod & no human rights). The place was a powder keg and was already in a blood bath before hand.

Obama droned a lot but was far more careful than Bush or Trump...

Now between Bush and Obama, Obama had better technology and more drones to work with... Drone Strikes are safer for US personal, they are far more controlled than a scared kid on top Humvee waiting for a IED.

That is why they are supported... There are bad guys and they need to be dealt with but the is a responsible way to do it... Trump has greatly increased the civilian deaths, that is very damaging for the US. It also shows us why he didn't mind going for Iranian Cultural sites, Trump doesn't understand that hitting Civilians just hardens the people against you and further increases there resolve.

Love to see The ISIS Death Toll Rise under President Trump

They are civilian numbers not fighters...

But hey:
US to stop revealing drone deaths

So much for transparency...

I highly doubt that since ISIS does not wear Uniforms and uses Human Shields, so I don't buy those numbers at all.

But here are some real numbers for you.

Since The Syrian Civil War began, Assad has killed 400,000 of his own people.

Leftards love cheerleading for ISIS.

 

[dblack]

If Hitler were alive Criticizing President Trump, they'd be giving him standing Ovations.

And if he supported Trump, Republicans would be giving him standing ovations. The rest of us would continue to be disgusted by both parties.